Possible Coaching Candidates

fordham96 said:
-Keep in mind in Shaka Smart never won a Colonial or A-10 regular season title while at VCU.
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That’s true. However, at that time the A-10 also had Brad Stevens (Butler), Archie Miller (Dayton), McKillop (Davidson), and Dan Hurley (URI). During the CAA years, Larranaga had that run with George Mason. Not taking anything away from Shaka Smart at all, just don’t think Rhoades is better than him since he’s won an A-10 title. Shaka often was just 1 game away from winning multiple conference regular season titles. His teams were also often ranked all season.

I really think Rhoades has done a nice job at VCU and is a solid coach overall if we’re considering him heavily. F96, do you know if Shanley/Board of Trustees prefer a HC with local roots (Urgo, Grasso, Speedy) or does it not matter to them? I know it’ll be a national search, but I’d be curious if the local guys have an edge. The BOT is such a mystery.
 
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Geez.....if St. John's doesn't pursue Rick Pitino, they are going to seriously tweak their fan base. In that scenario, it will certainly be a little extra pressure on the new coach. It won't take long (maybe one loss?) before the "we should have hired Pitino" voices surface.

If it's not going to be Pitino, it will be better if we tried and couldn't land him. Conversely, if the school thinks it "knows better" and doesn't even pursue him, it will be extra baggage for the new coach. Maybe even make the job less attractive.
 
I, like many of us, have been thinking about who might be our next coach and was looking at the current list of coaches out there. I am sending the link (see below) of rankings of all 363 D1 Coaches posted on the Fansided website back in October. It is worth noting that the biggest jumps up in ranking from 2021 to 2022 was Shaheen Holloway first (up to 67 from 238) and Speedy Claxton second (up to 193 from 315). Our current coach, Mike Anderson, was rated the 45th best coach of the 363 D1 coaches and our former coach Steve Lavin was rated 59th. FYI Rick Pitino was rated 19th and Chris Beard was the highest unemployed coach, rated 8th best overall.

Of course these are just number ratings and there are many nuances beyond that which make a hire a correct one for a program. That said, I find it interesting how coaches who were considered hot in the past, Thad Matta was ranked 16th (but Butler has been pretty bad this year under him) can have their public perception changed based on current performance. Dan Monson now rated 150th started Gonzaga on its historic run leading them to an elite eight back in 1999, yet it was his assistant coach that followed him at Gonzaga Mark Few (ranked third) that now is hailed as perhaps the best coach in the game.

I don't know who we will hire next, but winning consistently is tricky and finding the right guy for the job is even trickier.


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Don't know why everyone is so high on Claxton? If you have to talk yourself into it, I see that as a problem.

Prefer to have a no brainer..............Pitino.
 
SummerHoops said:
That’s true. However, at that time the A-10 also had Brad Stevens (Butler), Archie Miller (Dayton), McKillop (Davidson), and Dan Hurley (URI). During the CAA years, Larranaga had that run with George Mason. Not taking anything away from Shaka Smart at all, just don’t think Rhoades is better than him since he’s won an A-10 title. Shaka often was just 1 game away from winning multiple conference regular season titles. His teams were also often ranked all season.

I really think Rhoades has done a nice job at VCU and is a solid coach overall if we’re considering him heavily. F96, do you know if Shanley/Board of Trustees prefer a HC with local roots (Urgo, Grasso, Speedy) or does it not matter to them? I know it’ll be a national search, but I’d be curious if the local guys have an edge. The BOT is such a mystery.
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Butler was in the A-10? I have no recollection of that
 
I can’t believe that posters would be happy with Speedy Clapton? What mid major coach that came to St. John’s had success prior? Coaching at a higher level has additional issues that a mid major job may not prepare you for. For one, recruiting against the big boys for prize recruits. Coach Anderson had a network of coaching connections and twenty years of coaching at a high level and yet over the course of 4 recruited classes he was only able to bring in one 4 star freshman. How would a mid major coach do?

The other issue for mid major coaches is that they will now be coaching against some of the finest coaching staffs in the country. How did Archie Miller do when he got to Indiana after several Dsnce appearances at Dayton?

Speedy Clapton may be good 5-6 years down the road, maybe, but St. Johns does not have 5 of 6 years to wait for that to happen.
 
Iona won big again. Outright champs with a 3 game lead will play Rider last game if they win they win the conference by 4 full games if they lose they win by 2 games.

For those wondering why Iona was not "dominating" earlier in the year they have been missing 2 key players for parts of the year including Quinn Slazinski for essentially the entire year. Slazinski is not only a starter but would be a All Conference caliber player. And they still won the conference going away.

But you know they did lose to Siena earlier in the year.

And Bobby Hurley in a big game against UICLA. And as usual gets a T late in the 1st half swinging momentum to UCLA. Guy is worse then Fran McCaffery with control and not anywhere near as good a coach.
 
Johnny Rapper said:
I can’t believe that posters would be happy with Speedy Clapton? What mid major coach that came to St. John’s had success prior? Coaching at a higher level has additional issues that a mid major job may not prepare you for. For one, recruiting against the big boys for prize recruits. Coach Anderson had a network of coaching connections and twenty years of coaching at a high level and yet over the course of 4 recruited classes he was only able to bring in one 4 star freshman. How would a mid major coach do?

The other issue for mid major coaches is that they will now be coaching against some of the finest coaching staffs in the country. How did Archie Miller do when he got to Indiana after several Dsnce appearances at Dayton?

Speedy Clapton may be good 5-6 years down the road, maybe, but St. Johns does not have 5 of 6 years to wait for that to happen.
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I have my reservations about Speedy because he only has two years on head coaching experience, both of which with a conference POY caliber player that he won't have the luxury of having throughout his career. He could turn out to be a star but I think it's more likely he'd be in over his head and we'll be doing this again in 5 years.

That said, going the mid major route has produced big success in this conference. Every coach in the top 5 of the conference has been at a mid major at some point in their careers before being recognized among the best coaches in college basketball. Very few coaches start out as a head coach at a power conference school, and if we were hiring a guy with no Head Coaching experience at all you'd be complaining about that too.
 
Yea. Well going any route since Louie hasn’t been good long term. So say what you want about speedy and mid major. If not pitino. I got no problem with a young guy who has been an assistant head coach. Has 2 years head coaching under him with success. Has had a pretty good nba career WITH a championship ring THIS century. Sure he has one very good player on his team but his team
Is plenty more than Estrada as 3 guys are shooting it at 40% from 3 (and that doesn’t include Estrada). Anyway. Unless one of the big hitters is coming which we all have no idea at this point so why not speedy? To say he would be good 5-6 years down the line as opposed to now honestly doesn’t hold any water with me.
 
Johnny Rapper said:
I can’t believe that posters would be happy with Speedy Clapton? What mid major coach that came to St. John’s had success prior? Coaching at a higher level has additional issues that a mid major job may not prepare you for. For one, recruiting against the big boys for prize recruits. Coach Anderson had a network of coaching connections and twenty years of coaching at a high level and yet over the course of 4 recruited classes he was only able to bring in one 4 star freshman. How would a mid major coach do?

The other issue for mid major coaches is that they will now be coaching against some of the finest coaching staffs in the country. How did Archie Miller do when he got to Indiana after several Dsnce appearances at Dayton?

Speedy Clapton may be good 5-6 years down the road, maybe, but St. Johns does not have 5 of 6 years to wait for that to happen.
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Claxton
 
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