Playing Time - Why?

[quote="Knight" post=304464]We need to expand the rotation and get them experience now, against these weaker teams. The days of our starters going 35+ minutes a game should be over. We need fresher legs late in the game to be able to fight off late game comebacks. Time for the coaches to do some coaching.[/quote]

And what will you post when they make a few yakwe like turnovers or 3 point fouls, or launch amar like 3s or other poorly advised shots that contribute to losses?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=304468][quote="Knight" post=304464]We need to expand the rotation and get them experience now, against these weaker teams. The days of our starters going 35+ minutes a game should be over. We need fresher legs late in the game to be able to fight off late game comebacks. Time for the coaches to do some coaching.[/quote]

And what will you post when they make a few yakwe like turnovers or 3 point fouls, or launch amar like 3s or other poorly advised shots that contribute to losses?[/quote]

Are you talking about the freshmen or Clark and Simon? Simon has made a couple of Yakwe like turnovers and Clark ONLY TAKES Alibegovic like 3's. They have contributed to the close games. AND no one is saying to put the freshmen in critically close games near the end of the 2nd half. Making the counter argument for no reason doesn't answer the question of why a 3 star player, a rarity at lower D1 programs, can't do spot duty to rest an exhausted Clark. I don't think it is a talent issue but a coaching mindset. We have already played much lower ranked teams that either started 3* freshmen or who played considerable minutes off the bench.
We start juniors and seniors. The question, not a complaint, should be why are we struggling against these teams.!?!
Starting 5-0 can be deceiving against the quality of opponents. Why do you think our power rating decreased?
Why do we have a short bench in year 4? Why do we lack any serviceable big man? Why do we still allow wide open 3's?
We will be 6-0 by Tuesday. If a player at the level of Josh Roberts and Greg Williams can't get significant burn against a putrid MDES I doubt they will in Big East play. Hence don't expect all three freshmen to return.
 
You can make the point that the freshmen should get some playing time in December without pretending that Simon is a turnover machine and that Clark is one dimensional.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=304472][quote="Beast of the East" post=304468][quote="Knight" post=304464]We need to expand the rotation and get them experience now, against these weaker teams. The days of our starters going 35+ minutes a game should be over. We need fresher legs late in the game to be able to fight off late game comebacks. Time for the coaches to do some coaching.[/quote]

And what will you post when they make a few yakwe like turnovers or 3 point fouls, or launch amar like 3s or other poorly advised shots that contribute to losses?[/quote]

Are you talking about the freshmen or Clark and Simon? Simon has made a couple of Yakwe like turnovers and Clark ONLY TAKES Alibegovic like 3's. They have contributed to the close games. AND no one is saying to put the freshmen in critically close games near the end of the 2nd half. Making the counter argument for no reason doesn't answer the question of why a 3 star player, a rarity at lower D1 programs, can't do spot duty to rest an exhausted Clark. I don't think it is a talent issue but a coaching mindset. We have already played much lower ranked teams that either started 3* freshmen or who played considerable minutes off the bench.
We start juniors and seniors. The question, not a complaint, should be why are we struggling against these teams.!?!
Starting 5-0 can be deceiving against the quality of opponents. Why do you think our power rating decreased?
Why do we have a short bench in year 4? Why do we lack any serviceable big man? Why do we still allow wide open 3's?
We will be 6-0 by Tuesday. If a player at the level of Josh Roberts and Greg Williams can't get significant burn against a putrid MDES I doubt they will in Big East play. Hence don't expect all three freshmen to return.[/quote]

This IS an era of immediate gratification where nearly any student graduate will contemplate their options since they don't have to sit out, and where players who see incoming better players will leave immediately.

But let's say you are right. If so, we have an a.d. now who was responsible for basketball at a school with the winningest coach in history. I would be comfortable with him stepping in if he sees something as egregious as you profess, and make appropriate changes or interventions.

Until then watch videos of a young gunslinger named Hooper getting tied up unnecessarily in the waning moments vs. Providence.
 
I dunno because Roberts has so little playing time, but he seems to make a good block or rebound as soon as he gets in the game. Maybe we will never know what he can be this season, but he’s maybe the most athletic player we have at 6’9” and just by his physical ability and size alone, can be an asset blocking shots and rebounding. He is active an really gets up there. I don’t see him handling in the mid-court nor doing anything crazy other than crashing the glass at both ends and challenging shots. To be sustainable this season, we need guys like that to get some time...
 
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I completely understand wanting to stick with the short rotation through our last three games. Solid competition and, given our schedule, we needed those wins.

Now, over the next few games, it is time to audition Roberts and Williams. Realistically, we are going to need another player that Mullin can trust in a BE game. Whether it is because of an injury, fouls, or guys needing a rest.

Time to find out who can "hold down the fort" for 3 - 5 minutes in a big game. They only have to play defense and not turn the ball over. They go in one minute before the under-12 TV timeout and give one of the starters a solid rest.

Mucho importante!
 
Again if you want to get on Mullin for not recruiting a decent big that is fine but as I posted numerous times most teams only play 8 or 9. The fact that the two freshman aren't ready to contribute is just a normal progression that majority of teams have where 9, 10 and 11th men don't play. Especially if they are Freshman.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=304478]I dunno because Roberts has so littlwnplayibg time, but he seems to make a good block or rebound as soon as he gets in the game. Maybe we will never know what he can be this season, but he’s maybe the most athletic player we have at 6’9” and just by his physical ability and size alone, can be an asset blocking shots and rebounding. He is active an really gets up there. I don’t see him handling in the mid-court nor doing anything crazy other than crashing the glass at both ends and challenging shots. To be sustainable this season, we need guys like that to get some time...[/quote]

Get a nice lead then play some of the freshmen. Close game means very short rotation.
 
Something to be said for this, considering this kid is a stud PG;

“Jahvon Quinerly only playing three minutes looks odd on the surface but it's pretty clear Jay Wright is gonna play him against lower-tier teams and ease him in against higher-tier teams. By the time Big East play rolls around, he should be a factor.”
Per Big East Coast Bias
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=304482]I completely understand wanting to stick with the short rotation through our last three games. Solid competition and, given our schedule, we needed those wins.

Now, over the next few games, it is time to audition Roberts and Williams. Realistically, we are going to need another player that Mullin can trust in a BE game. Whether it is because of an injury, fouls, or guys needing a rest.

Time to find out who can "hold down the fort" for 3 - 5 minutes in a big game. They only have to play defense and not turn the ball over. They go in one minute before the under-12 TV timeout and give one of the starters a solid rest.

Mucho importante![/quote]

Exactly what I alluded to but here the usual suspects agreed with you. Who says what is very important here.:p :cheer:
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=304502]Something to be said for this, considering this kid is a stud PG;

“Jahvon Quinerly only playing three minutes looks odd on the surface but it's pretty clear Jay Wright is gonna play him against lower-tier teams and ease him in against higher-tier teams. By the time Big East play rolls around, he should be a factor.”
Per Big East Coast Bias[/quote]

Considering the way Nova has gotten their asses kicked perhaps Jahvon should have gotten more minutes.;)
 
[quote="OLV72" post=304475]You can make the point that the freshmen should get some playing time in December without pretending that Simon is a turnover machine and that Clark is one dimensional.[/quote]

Fellow 72, I wasn't pretending. Simon has had a few Yakwe moments. I'll post the vids if you missed them and Clark has been playing mostly outside. We are making up for Keita by committee with anyone from Clark to Trimble. Clark is susceptible to fouls and poor shooting when fatigued. We need him the last 10 minutes of every game. I'm suggesting better player management will serve us better as the Big East grind approaches. Would anyone rather he gets injured and we then have to start a freshman who never got burn?
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=304476][quote="Class of 72" post=304472][quote="Beast of the East" post=304468][quote="Knight" post=304464]We need to expand the rotation and get them experience now, against these weaker teams. The days of our starters going 35+ minutes a game should be over. We need fresher legs late in the game to be able to fight off late game comebacks. Time for the coaches to do some coaching.[/quote]

And what will you post when they make a few yakwe like turnovers or 3 point fouls, or launch amar like 3s or other poorly advised shots that contribute to losses?[/quote]

Are you talking about the freshmen or Clark and Simon? Simon has made a couple of Yakwe like turnovers and Clark ONLY TAKES Alibegovic like 3's. They have contributed to the close games. AND no one is saying to put the freshmen in critically close games near the end of the 2nd half. Making the counter argument for no reason doesn't answer the question of why a 3 star player, a rarity at lower D1 programs, can't do spot duty to rest an exhausted Clark. I don't think it is a talent issue but a coaching mindset. We have already played much lower ranked teams that either started 3* freshmen or who played considerable minutes off the bench.
We start juniors and seniors. The question, not a complaint, should be why are we struggling against these teams.!?!
Starting 5-0 can be deceiving against the quality of opponents. Why do you think our power rating decreased?
Why do we have a short bench in year 4? Why do we lack any serviceable big man? Why do we still allow wide open 3's?
We will be 6-0 by Tuesday. If a player at the level of Josh Roberts and Greg Williams can't get significant burn against a putrid MDES I doubt they will in Big East play. Hence don't expect all three freshmen to return.[/quote]

This IS an era of immediate gratification where nearly any student graduate will contemplate their options since they don't have to sit out, and where players who see incoming better players will leave immediately.

But let's say you are right. If so, we have an a.d. now who was responsible for basketball at a school with the winningest coach in history. I would be comfortable with him stepping in if he sees something as egregious as you profess, and make appropriate changes or interventions.

Until then watch videos of a young gunslinger named Hooper getting tied up unnecessarily in the waning moments vs. Providence.[/quote]

Beast wrote : "Until then watch videos of a young gunslinger named Hooper getting tied up unnecessarily in the waning moments vs. Providence".

Beast,  you choose to remember Max for one error at St. John's.  As a 17 year old freshman at Harvard he played two games and transferred to St. John's to be with his best friend JaKarr Sampson.
However, in 35 games as a senior at Oakland Max shot only threes hitting .46%  and  hit .96% of his free throws. 
He took 214 shots his senior season, and 214 of them were 3-pointers.
Hooper was the Golden Grizzlies' fourth-leading scorer at 11.1 points per game.
His 98 successful 3s ranked him in the top five in Division one.
His 19 free throws -- 18 of which went in -- all came on 3-point shots or off the ball.
We would be very lucky to have both JaKarr and Hooper this season.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=304468][quote="Knight" post=304464]We need to expand the rotation and get them experience now, against these weaker teams. The days of our starters going 35+ minutes a game should be over. We need fresher legs late in the game to be able to fight off late game comebacks. Time for the coaches to do some coaching.[/quote]

And what will you post when they make a few yakwe like turnovers or 3 point fouls, or launch amar like 3s or other poorly advised shots that contribute to losses?[/quote]

What do we get from Trimble? More points then fouls.
Put in Williams, you don't know what you'll get from him, you know what you're getting from Trimble, NOTHING.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=304508][quote="OLV72" post=304475]You can make the point that the freshmen should get some playing time in December without pretending that Simon is a turnover machine and that Clark is one dimensional.[/quote]

Fellow 72, I wasn't pretending. Simon has had a few Yakwe moments. I'll post the vids if you missed them and Clark has been playing mostly outside. We are making up for Keita by committee with anyone from Clark to Trimble. Clark is susceptible to fouls and poor shooting when fatigued. We need him the last 10 minutes of every game. I'm suggesting better player management will serve us better as the Big East grind approaches. Would anyone rather he gets injured and we then have to start a freshman who never got burn?[/quote]

You're the harsh 72:)
 
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A major expectation of this Board, pre-season, was that St. John’s would finally have a ‘deep’ bench, being able to play 8+ guys and avoid having Ponds, Simon, Heron, Clark play 35 minutes plus / game.
So far, that hasn’t happened and Ponds, et al, are playing mid-30 minutes plus per game—a pace that will exhaust them over th grind of th BEC season.
Reasons, no doubt, include the lack of big depth, and reliable guard depth beyond Dixon, but also the sputtering and lethargic offensive and defensive performances of a few of our key guys in all games except the Rutgers game.
Maybe it’s simply the kinks of meshing 3-4 new guys into the mix to date, and as the guys adjust, our game performance will improve markedly, allowing Mullin to dip into his bench and give Williams and Roberts some PT before the Big East Season begins.
I hope so, because the team will need ‘fresh legs’ once the Ides of March are upon us.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=304657]A major expectation of this Board, pre-season, was that St. John’s would finally have a ‘deep’ bench, being able to play 8+ guys and avoid having Ponds, Simon, Heron, Clark play 35 minutes plus / game.
So far, that hasn’t happened and Ponds, et al, are playing mid-30 minutes plus per game—a pace that will exhaust them over th grind of th BEC season.
Reasons, no doubt, include the lack of big depth, and reliable guard depth beyond Dixon, but also the sputtering and lethargic offensive and defensive performances of a few of our key guys in all games except the Rutgers game.
Maybe it’s simply the kinks of meshing 3-4 new guys into the mix to date, and as the guys adjust, our game performance will improve markedly, allowing Mullin to dip into his bench and give Williams and Roberts some PT before the Big East Season begins.
I hope so, because the team will need ‘fresh legs’ once the Ides of March are upon us.[/quote]

Don't despair. Our bench was 8 deep to start the season. The first 3 or 4 games it rightfully should have been heron, dixon, figueroa, keita, meet Trimble, ponds, clark, Simon, now that we are past that expect to see some of the other guys get spot minutes in blowouts. We will be ready by the big east season
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=304522][quote="Beast of the East" post=304468][quote="Knight" post=304464]We need to expand the rotation and get them experience now, against these weaker teams. The days of our starters going 35+ minutes a game should be over. We need fresher legs late in the game to be able to fight off late game comebacks. Time for the coaches to do some coaching.[/quote]

And what will you post when they make a few yakwe like turnovers or 3 point fouls, or launch amar like 3s or other poorly advised shots that contribute to losses?[/quote]

What do we get from Trimble? More points then fouls.
Put in Williams, you don't know what you'll get from him, you know what you're getting from Trimble, NOTHING.[/quote]

Trimble was cut today. He is now on the jv team
 
:unsure: Assuming Simon, Keita, Fiqueroa, and Dixon return next year who will get major playing time from the following: Wright, Steere, Caraher, Mack, Williams,Roberts, Trimble, or Earlington.? And why?
 
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