Playing Time - Why?

[quote="gman" post=305149][quote="fordham96" post=305102][quote="Class of 72" post=305099][quote="Paultzman" post=305088]Zach B
Chris Mullin on Josh Roberts: "Typical freshman, He needs a lot of work. I think he plays hard. It just has to be the right time [to get more minutes]. Keep working with him, I think he'll get better." #sjubb[/quote]

No coach he is a typical "St. John's" freshman. Ours needs a lot of work. One hundred others are starting for their teams in D1 basketball. Needless to say none of the freshmen at Duke you will be preparing your upper classmen for are typical or need a lot of work. It takes a lot of work to sign top 100 talent.[/quote]

Bingo. Certainly typical for non-top 100 recruits.[/quote]

How about former commit top 100 recruit J'Raan Brooks who is averaging 3 and 1 for a mediocre USC team. If he had stayed true to SJU people would have expected big minutes from him and even he doesn't look ready. Unless you land 5 stars, it's all a crap shoot on how they will develop especially when going for athletes over skilled players.[/quote]

I don’t think it is all a crapshoot. Mark Few and his recruiting team consistent land kids top to bottom that are skilled and can play. He lands some top 100’s but he doesn’t rely on 5-stars to have an awesome team almost every year. It’s part of OUR problem that we don’t have more than one talented recruiter/eye for talent on our staff. I don’t think it’s a crapshoot at all. Our staff can do more to make recruiting an overall staff priority. I
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305162]BTW-People have short memories when they act like I am being overly critical. When Heron became available there were many on this board who were not overly excited because SJU really needed a big. Not me, I understood the concern of needing a big. But I said absolutely need to take Heron even if he doesn't come from a need position. And they are clearly better with him.

But there was plenty of criticism, and not from me, about lack of frontcourt depth and the fact that the freshmen may not be ready. And that was months ago. Well some of that is coming to fruition, even if they are 6-0.

And that is all I am saying.[/quote]

Honestly, I'd just like to hear you say something positive about anything :)
 
One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=305099][quote="Paultzman" post=305088]Zach B
Chris Mullin on Josh Roberts: "Typical freshman, He needs a lot of work. I think he plays hard. It just has to be the right time [to get more minutes]. Keep working with him, I think he'll get better." #sjubb[/quote]

No coach he is a typical "St. John's" freshman. Ours needs a lot of work. One hundred others are starting for their teams in D1 basketball. Needless to say none of the freshmen at Duke you will be preparing your upper classmen for are typical or need a lot of work. It takes a lot of work to sign top 100 talent.[/quote]

I'm sure Duke never recruits the typical freshmen, but maybe if we worked a little harder Zion and Barrett would be playing for us, right?
 
Do you agree or disagree?

New Players:

Heron - Think he is giving us what we expected if not a bit more.

Figgy - Giving us more than we had expected. Two way player that brings in at both ends of the floor. Better shooter than I expected.

Dixon - On par with what we expected. Good offensive player that can get you points in a hurry.

Williams - Top 150 recruit who will see some time this year but plays a position that we are pretty deep at. Should make a nice 4 year player and should see an increased role next season.

Roberts - Very raw but good athlete. Many didn’t expect much from him this year. Will only play in blowouts or in games were a bunch of players foul out. Hopefully turns into a role player in a few years.

Earlington - Won’t get many minutes this year but might be a good practice player and contribute a few years from now. Just started to focus on basketball only and will need time to develop.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.
 
[quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.
 
[quote="Room112" post=305176][quote="fordham96" post=305162]BTW-People have short memories when they act like I am being overly critical. When Heron became available there were many on this board who were not overly excited because SJU really needed a big. Not me, I understood the concern of needing a big. But I said absolutely need to take Heron even if he doesn't come from a need position. And they are clearly better with him.

But there was plenty of criticism, and not from me, about lack of frontcourt depth and the fact that the freshmen may not be ready. And that was months ago. Well some of that is coming to fruition, even if they are 6-0.

And that is all I am saying.[/quote]

Honestly, I'd just like to hear you say something positive about anything :)[/quote]

SJU is 6-0 that's positive...
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]
Me thinks your sarcasm meter is in need of a tune up.
 
The larger issue is you have 2 players sitting out because of transfer and 3 freshmen recruits that are very underwhelming. In other words you have FIVE players that are essentially using up scholarships but doing little but taking up space on the bench. That is 5 guys essentially masquerading as the 12/13 man on the roster. And let's not act like Trimble is exactly setting the world on fire. I mean SJU has 6 guys that they trust can play at a high level right now. Some of them are really good so that can cover up for some depth issues no doubt, but that is thin. And let's pray Keita can come back and contribute.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305162]BTW-People have short memories when they act like I am being overly critical. When Heron became available there were many on this board who were not overly excited because SJU really needed a big. Not me, I understood the concern of needing a big. But I said absolutely need to take Heron even if he doesn't come from a need position. And they are clearly better with him.

But there was plenty of criticism, and not from me, about lack of frontcourt depth and the fact that the freshmen may not be ready. And that was months ago. Well some of that is coming to fruition, even if they are 6-0.

And that is all I am saying.[/quote]

Anyone who was critical of adding Heron is an idiot. He's the highest rated recruit out of high school that we've had in almost 20 years. I'll take him playing center over just about every big man outside the top 25 of this year's class.

Besides a handful of elite players, big men are overrated. We need someone like Keita to play 15 mpg...that's it. Our best lineup will be Clark, Figuerora, Simon, Heron, and Ponds.

FWIW Brooks is exponentially more ready to contribute than Roberts. I still like Roberts long term, though.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]

Clearly the sarcasm emanating from my post went over your head.

Also He's not a 12th man. He's 11th because Caraher and Wright are sitting out. And 10th because Keita is hurt. #Facts
 
[quote="Moose" post=305224][quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]

Clearly the sarcasm emanating from my post went over your head.

Also He's not a 12th man. He's 11th because Caraher and Wright are sitting out. And 10th because Keita is hurt. #Facts[/quote]
Most teams play 8 at most.
Again we should have had at least one serviceable big. I totally agree with that and not sure Keita even fits that description. But all of the complaining about 9th through 13 roster spots is silly. Although a valid argument is that Trimble should not be counted on as 8th man.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305226][quote="Moose" post=305224][quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]

Clearly the sarcasm emanating from my post went over your head.

Also He's not a 12th man. He's 11th because Caraher and Wright are sitting out. And 10th because Keita is hurt. #Facts[/quote]
Most teams play 8 at most.
Again we should have had at least one serviceable big. I totally agree with that and not sure Keita even fits that description. But all of the complaining about 9th through 13 roster spots is silly. Although a valid argument is that Trimble should not be counted on as 8th man.[/quote]

Really most teams? Can you define most?

Here is a box score between Louisville and Michigan St. Mich St played 12 players and Louisville played 11. All 10 players on Louisville played 7 minutes or more in a tight game. Michigan St had 10 of its 12 play 9 minutes or more.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082475
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=305230][quote="we are sju" post=305226][quote="Moose" post=305224][quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]

Clearly the sarcasm emanating from my post went over your head.

Also He's not a 12th man. He's 11th because Caraher and Wright are sitting out. And 10th because Keita is hurt. #Facts[/quote]
Most teams play 8 at most.
Again we should have had at least one serviceable big. I totally agree with that and not sure Keita even fits that description. But all of the complaining about 9th through 13 roster spots is silly. Although a valid argument is that Trimble should not be counted on as 8th man.[/quote]

Really most teams? Can you define most?

Here is a box score between Louisville and Michigan St. Mich St played 12 players and Louisville played 11. All 10 players on Louisville played 7 minutes or more in a tight game. Michigan St had 10 of its 12 play 9 minutes or more.[/quote]

Here is another game Pitt vs Iowa another tight game. Both teams played 9 guys and all 9 played significant minutes. BTW-Pitt totally re-tooled their roster from last year. Lost a ton of transfers off of a bad team.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082475
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305230][quote="we are sju" post=305226][quote="Moose" post=305224][quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]

Clearly the sarcasm emanating from my post went over your head.

Also He's not a 12th man. He's 11th because Caraher and Wright are sitting out. And 10th because Keita is hurt. #Facts[/quote]
Most teams play 8 at most.
Again we should have had at least one serviceable big. I totally agree with that and not sure Keita even fits that description. But all of the complaining about 9th through 13 roster spots is silly. Although a valid argument is that Trimble should not be counted on as 8th man.[/quote]

Really most teams? Can you define most?

Here is a box score between Louisville and Michigan St. Mich St played 12 players and Louisville played 11. All 10 players on Louisville played 7 minutes or more in a tight game. Michigan St had 10 of its 12 play 9 minutes or more.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082475[/quote]

I think I went over this.
Final Four teams last year were only playing 7 or 8 10 mins a game.
Every good ST John's team in my lifetime barely went 8.
This year the top 4 ranked teams:
Gonzaga 8
Kansas 7
Duke 8
Virginia 9
 
Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305240][quote="fordham96" post=305230][quote="we are sju" post=305226][quote="Moose" post=305224][quote="we are sju" post=305207][quote="Moose" post=305201][quote="we are sju" post=305185]One positive that no one has mentioned is the incredible exit velocity Earlington gets on his jump shot. Stanton and Judge would be jealous.[/quote]

You know we're 6-0. I don't think you should be complaining like this.[/quote]

Not complaining. Was impressed by exit velo. I am not crazy. I don't expect 12th man to be good.[/quote]

Clearly the sarcasm emanating from my post went over your head.

Also He's not a 12th man. He's 11th because Caraher and Wright are sitting out. And 10th because Keita is hurt. #Facts[/quote]
Most teams play 8 at most.
Again we should have had at least one serviceable big. I totally agree with that and not sure Keita even fits that description. But all of the complaining about 9th through 13 roster spots is silly. Although a valid argument is that Trimble should not be counted on as 8th man.[/quote]

Really most teams? Can you define most?

Here is a box score between Louisville and Michigan St. Mich St played 12 players and Louisville played 11. All 10 players on Louisville played 7 minutes or more in a tight game. Michigan St had 10 of its 12 play 9 minutes or more.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=401082475[/quote]

I think I went over this.
Final Four teams last year were only playing 7 or 8 10 mins a game.
Every good ST John's team in my lifetime barely went 8.
This year the top 4 ranked teams:
Gonzaga 8
Kansas 7
Duke 8
Virginia 9[/quote]

I didn't realize there were good SJU teams in your lifetime.
 
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