Playing Time - Why?

[quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have their bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.
 
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Here is Notre Dame vs Illinois last night. After Elijah Burns transferred to Siena they have ND has only 10 total scholarship players and 1 is currently redshirting. Yet they played 10 guys last night, probably squeezed a walk on in the game for a few seconds. But again my point is it is rare for a major program to use all 13 scholarships and at the same time have so many players NOT play.

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[quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.
 
SJU wrote: I think I went over this.
Final Four teams last year were only playing 7 or 8 10 mins a game.
Every good ST John's team in my lifetime barely went 8.
This year the top 4 ranked teams:
Gonzaga 8
Kansas 7
Duke 8
Virginia 9

Yes and if you add # 5 Nevada, they have 8 averaging 10 mpg+.

Looking at BE conference (looked at 7 of the 10), Nova, Creighton, Marquette, PC & Xavier all have 9 guys at 10+ mpg, SJU and Butler have 7. W/o running all the numbers, I think it is very fair to say the majority of decent teams play 8-9 fairly significant minutes and some play 7 or 10 guys those minutes. When Keita comes back, we will likely have 8 very close to 10+ mpg
 
[quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

My point is most teams do not have the bottom of their bench guys consistently in the rotation. Only a crazy person would think they would contribute like the Duke kids. I didn't expect them to be in the rotation. If what you are asking is that they should get shoehorned into getting 5-7 mins a game, my question is what would be the point?
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305250][quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

My point is most teams do not have the bottom of their bench guys consistently in the rotation. Only a crazy person would think they would contribute like the Duke kids. I didn't expect them to be in the rotation. If what you are asking is that they should get shoehorned into getting 5-7 mins a game, my question is what would be the point?[/quote]

Again you use terms like "most teams" without giving evidence. Secondly I used examples with games that you would expect the coach to have a tight rotation, like Marquette vs Kansas because of the opponent and Wojo still played 10 guys. Furthermore you would be hard pressed to find any big time school that is currently using ALL 13 scholarships up (and if you think about it with Steere a 14th almost!) and yet struggle to play 7 players against the WEAKER competition on their schedule!!! Again SJU vs Bowling Green is NOT Marquette vs Kansas! That is not evidence of a tight rotation that is evidence of a very weak bench and poor recruiting.
 
[quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

Exactly. Bigger point is the sit outs and the fact that SJU is using ALL 13 scholarships (and that doesn't include Steere). That is rare. Most programs DON'T. To use all 13 and to play so very few indicates a poor allocation of scholarships and recruiting.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=305249]SJU wrote: I think I went over this.
Final Four teams last year were only playing 7 or 8 10 mins a game.
Every good ST John's team in my lifetime barely went 8.
This year the top 4 ranked teams:
Gonzaga 8
Kansas 7
Duke 8
Virginia 9

Yes and if you add # 5 Nevada, they have 8 averaging 10 mpg+.

Looking at BE conference (looked at 7 of the 10), Nova, Creighton, Marquette, PC & Xavier all have 9 guys at 10+ mpg, SJU and Butler have 7. W/o running all the numbers, I think it is very fair to say the majority of decent teams play 8-9 fairly significant minutes and some play 7 or 10 guys those minutes. When Keita comes back, we will likely have 8 very close to 10+ mpg[/quote]

The distribution of minutes needs to be looked at and the overall roster and competition they have played so far. For example Marquette has played Indiana on the road, Kansas and Louisville on a neutral floor and have played more players. SJU is struggling to use their bench against very relatively weak competition. Also are all those teams using all 13 scholarships? Me thinks not. Meaning how many of those teams have 5 scholarship players sitting and contributing little to nothing.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305251][quote="we are sju" post=305250][quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

My point is most teams do not have the bottom of their bench guys consistently in the rotation. Only a crazy person would think they would contribute like the Duke kids. I didn't expect them to be in the rotation. If what you are asking is that they should get shoehorned into getting 5-7 mins a game, my question is what would be the point?[/quote]

Again you use terms like "most teams" without giving evidence. Secondly I used examples with games that you would expect the coach to have a tight rotation, like Marquette vs Kansas because of the opponent and Wojo still played 10 guys. Furthermore you would be hard pressed to find any big time school that is currently using ALL 13 scholarships up (and if you think about it with Steere a 14th almost!) and yet struggle to play 7 players against the WEAKER competition on their schedule!!! Again SJU vs Bowling Green is NOT Marquette vs Kansas! That is not evidence of a tight rotation that is evidence of a very weak bench and poor recruiting.[/quote]

My evidence is ESPN.COM go to team stats and show me how many teams have more than 8 guys averaging 10 mins a game. And by time conference schedule picks up you will find even less.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305254][quote="NCJohnnie" post=305249]SJU wrote: I think I went over this.
Final Four teams last year were only playing 7 or 8 10 mins a game.
Every good ST John's team in my lifetime barely went 8.
This year the top 4 ranked teams:
Gonzaga 8
Kansas 7
Duke 8
Virginia 9

Yes and if you add # 5 Nevada, they have 8 averaging 10 mpg+.

Looking at BE conference (looked at 7 of the 10), Nova, Creighton, Marquette, PC & Xavier all have 9 guys at 10+ mpg, SJU and Butler have 7. W/o running all the numbers, I think it is very fair to say the majority of decent teams play 8-9 fairly significant minutes and some play 7 or 10 guys those minutes. When Keita comes back, we will likely have 8 very close to 10+ mpg[/quote]

The distribution of minutes needs to be looked at and the overall roster and competition they have played so far. For example Marquette has played Indiana on the road, Kansas and Louisville on a neutral floor and have played more players. SJU is struggling to use their bench against very relatively weak competition. Also are all those teams using all 13 scholarships? Me thinks not. Meaning how many of those teams have 5 scholarship players sitting and contributing little to nothing.[/quote]

And just a word on Trimble, he got 7 minutes against VCU an OT game. I see his minutes going down NOT UP with Keita coming back. And that assumes Keita comes back and is ready to contribute.

But again the larger point is not just lack of depth, hard pressed to find Power 5/Big East schools who use all 13 scholarships and have so many players as non-factors.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305256][quote="fordham96" post=305251][quote="we are sju" post=305250][quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

My point is most teams do not have the bottom of their bench guys consistently in the rotation. Only a crazy person would think they would contribute like the Duke kids. I didn't expect them to be in the rotation. If what you are asking is that they should get shoehorned into getting 5-7 mins a game, my question is what would be the point?[/quote]

Again you use terms like "most teams" without giving evidence. Secondly I used examples with games that you would expect the coach to have a tight rotation, like Marquette vs Kansas because of the opponent and Wojo still played 10 guys. Furthermore you would be hard pressed to find any big time school that is currently using ALL 13 scholarships up (and if you think about it with Steere a 14th almost!) and yet struggle to play 7 players against the WEAKER competition on their schedule!!! Again SJU vs Bowling Green is NOT Marquette vs Kansas! That is not evidence of a tight rotation that is evidence of a very weak bench and poor recruiting.[/quote]

My evidence is ESPN.COM go to team stats and show me how many teams have more than 8 guys averaging 10 mins a game. And by time conference schedule picks up you will find even less.[/quote]

Then show me the link and show me specific games and specific schools or show me the article that states it.

My evidence is ESPN, YAHOO among others that says you are wrong...
 
This is a no brainer:
Starters when Keita is back.
G- Ponds
G- Simon
G- Heron
F- Figgy
F- Marv

Bench- in order:
C- Keita *
G- Dixon *
G- Williams
F- Roberts
G- Trimble

Keita and Dixon will be guaranteed quality mins every game. Williams, Roberts, Trimble can steal us mins here and there. This will and should be line up during BE play. Except for G. Tech, the bench guys can get some quality mins vs the rest of this non conf schedule. The more i see of Ellington the more raw he looks. Redshirt should of been his option. I see even less mins for him next year.
 
How about this name me a Power 5/Big East school that is using ALL 13 scholarships and has 6 guys that have accumulated more than 100 minutes so far this year especially considering the relatively weak competition? Go ahead find me that team. I am not saying there is not one there could be but you would be hard pressed to find one.

Also just imagine if SJU with it's current roster played Marquette's schedule. Forget about using Ellington, Roberts and Williams. I am not sure Trimble would get more than a minute or 2 against Kansas.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305258][quote="we are sju" post=305256][quote="fordham96" post=305251][quote="we are sju" post=305250][quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

My point is most teams do not have the bottom of their bench guys consistently in the rotation. Only a crazy person would think they would contribute like the Duke kids. I didn't expect them to be in the rotation. If what you are asking is that they should get shoehorned into getting 5-7 mins a game, my question is what would be the point?[/quote]

Again you use terms like "most teams" without giving evidence. Secondly I used examples with games that you would expect the coach to have a tight rotation, like Marquette vs Kansas because of the opponent and Wojo still played 10 guys. Furthermore you would be hard pressed to find any big time school that is currently using ALL 13 scholarships up (and if you think about it with Steere a 14th almost!) and yet struggle to play 7 players against the WEAKER competition on their schedule!!! Again SJU vs Bowling Green is NOT Marquette vs Kansas! That is not evidence of a tight rotation that is evidence of a very weak bench and poor recruiting.[/quote]

My evidence is ESPN.COM go to team stats and show me how many teams have more than 8 guys averaging 10 mins a game. And by time conference schedule picks up you will find even less.[/quote]

Then show me the link and show me specific games and specific schools or show me the article that states it.

My evidence is ESPN, YAHOO among others that says you are wrong...[/quote]

Go to the stat page genius. Shows minutes per game
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305261][quote="fordham96" post=305258][quote="we are sju" post=305256][quote="fordham96" post=305251][quote="we are sju" post=305250][quote="Moose" post=305248][quote="we are sju" post=305245][quote="fordham96" post=305243]Here is Marquette vs Kansas. Marquette is in SJU 's wheelhouse since they are in same conference and are picked by most to finish right with SJU or ahead.

Used 10 guys all over 9 minutes. Btw no doubt most teams no doubt tighten their rotation against better competition. But also most teams who use 7-8 guys also don't usually h as ve 13 scholarship players on the current roster.[/quote]

Your 2nd sentence is my only argument. Very few teams go more than 8 or 9 consistently.
Again I agree that the staff did not do a good job of getting a couple reliable guys with height.
I can also understand the argument that Trimble should not be one of your best 8 or 9 guys on a good team.
The only issue I have is of the people wondering why the three freshman aren't playing. Those guys were clearly recruited to fill out the roster and to hopefully develop one day to be able to be in the rotation. Very few teams have there bottom of the roster ready to step in and contribute right away let alone ST John's.[/quote]

Nobody and I repeat NOBODY thinks the 3 freshman are going to come in and put up numbers like Dortz, Zion, RJ, and Langford.

But I think anyone in their right mind knows the core is going to get run down, beat up and tired.

I also think that Clark is struggling because he's playing the 5. He isn't a 5. He's barely a 4. He didn't transfer here to play 5. That messes with your head. To a lesser extent Simon has struggled as well adjusting to this 'new' team with additions like Heron and Figgy.

13 scholarships should be treated like gold. Not given away so freely. Especially when you seem to always play with 2 sitting out.[/quote]

My point is most teams do not have the bottom of their bench guys consistently in the rotation. Only a crazy person would think they would contribute like the Duke kids. I didn't expect them to be in the rotation. If what you are asking is that they should get shoehorned into getting 5-7 mins a game, my question is what would be the point?[/quote]

Again you use terms like "most teams" without giving evidence. Secondly I used examples with games that you would expect the coach to have a tight rotation, like Marquette vs Kansas because of the opponent and Wojo still played 10 guys. Furthermore you would be hard pressed to find any big time school that is currently using ALL 13 scholarships up (and if you think about it with Steere a 14th almost!) and yet struggle to play 7 players against the WEAKER competition on their schedule!!! Again SJU vs Bowling Green is NOT Marquette vs Kansas! That is not evidence of a tight rotation that is evidence of a very weak bench and poor recruiting.[/quote]

My evidence is ESPN.COM go to team stats and show me how many teams have more than 8 guys averaging 10 mins a game. And by time conference schedule picks up you will find even less.[/quote]

Then show me the link and show me specific games and specific schools or show me the article that states it.

My evidence is ESPN, YAHOO among others that says you are wrong...[/quote]

Go to the stat page genius. Shows minutes per game[/quote]

Go through top 10 basically all the same

Game Statistics
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Rui Hachimura 7 29.0 21.9 5.4 1.3 0.6 0.7 2.1 .600 .667 .500
Zach Norvell Jr. 7 29.3 17.3 5.6 3.7 1.6 0.0 1.3 .440 .806 .386
Brandon Clarke 7 24.4 15.9 7.4 1.4 1.0 4.1 1.1 .778 .478 1.000
Josh Perkins 7 30.7 11.4 3.0 8.0 1.7 0.1 2.3 .538 .875 .400
Filip Petrusev 7 15.9 9.6 4.6 0.3 0.3 0.7 0.7 .525 .800 .385
Corey Kispert 7 28.0 9.0 4.4 1.6 0.3 0.6 1.0 .431 1.000 .389
Jeremy Jones 7 14.6 5.4 4.9 1.0 0.1 0.0 0.1 .833 .789 1.000
Geno Crandall 6 18.2 5.0 1.5 2.3 1.3 0.2 2.3 .300 .688 .083
Joel Ayayi 4 6.8 3.0 1.8 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.0 .600 .000 .000
Greg Foster Jr. 7 6.0 0.9 0.7 0.7 0.3 0.0 0.6 .333 .500 .333
Jack Beach 4 3.3 0.8 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.000 .000
 
Kansas Jayhawks Stats - 2018-19
Year:

Game Statistics
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Lagerald Vick 5 36.8 19.6 3.8 2.0 1.6 0.0 2.2 .571 .714 .583
Dedric Lawson 5 31.6 17.8 10.4 3.8 1.0 0.8 2.6 .433 .750 .167
Udoka Azubuike 5 21.8 14.4 6.0 0.8 0.4 2.0 2.6 .667 .364 .000
Devon Dotson 5 30.4 10.8 3.6 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.8 .541 .818 .500
Quentin Grimes 5 27.8 9.0 2.8 3.4 0.6 0.0 1.8 .389 .615 .474
Marcus Garrett 4 23.0 6.3 2.8 2.5 1.0 0.5 0.5 .280 .667 .167
Charlie Moore 5 19.8 3.4 2.0 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.4 .273 .750 .182
K.J. Lawson 5 7.2 2.8 2.8 0.2 0.6 0.0 0.4 .667 .625 .500
David McCormack 4 5.3 1.8 2.5 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.5 .429 .250 .000
Mitch Lightfoot 5 7.0 1.6 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.8 0.2 .750 .667 .000
Totals 5 -- 86 41 17 7 4 13 .489 .638 .440
Season Statistics
 
[quote="we are sju" post=305263]Kansas Jayhawks Stats - 2018-19
Year:

Game Statistics
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Lagerald Vick 5 36.8 19.6 3.8 2.0 1.6 0.0 2.2 .571 .714 .583
Dedric Lawson 5 31.6 17.8 10.4 3.8 1.0 0.8 2.6 .433 .750 .167
Udoka Azubuike 5 21.8 14.4 6.0 0.8 0.4 2.0 2.6 .667 .364 .000
Devon Dotson 5 30.4 10.8 3.6 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.8 .541 .818 .500
Quentin Grimes 5 27.8 9.0 2.8 3.4 0.6 0.0 1.8 .389 .615 .474
Marcus Garrett 4 23.0 6.3 2.8 2.5 1.0 0.5 0.5 .280 .667 .167
Charlie Moore 5 19.8 3.4 2.0 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.4 .273 .750 .182
K.J. Lawson 5 7.2 2.8 2.8 0.2 0.6 0.0 0.4 .667 .625 .500
David McCormack 4 5.3 1.8 2.5 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.5 .429 .250 .000
Mitch Lightfoot 5 7.0 1.6 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.8 0.2 .750 .667 .000
Totals 5 -- 86 41 17 7 4 13 .489 .638 .440
Season Statistics[/quote]

No genius that is not what I am talking about.

Furthermore you said MOST teams. I didn't ask you genius to cherry pick one or two I asked you to find most teams that limit themselves to EIGHT players with all the minutes.

I cherry picked a handful since I never said MOST teams YOU DID. The burden is on you to show me.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305264][quote="we are sju" post=305263]Kansas Jayhawks Stats - 2018-19
Year:

Game Statistics
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Lagerald Vick 5 36.8 19.6 3.8 2.0 1.6 0.0 2.2 .571 .714 .583
Dedric Lawson 5 31.6 17.8 10.4 3.8 1.0 0.8 2.6 .433 .750 .167
Udoka Azubuike 5 21.8 14.4 6.0 0.8 0.4 2.0 2.6 .667 .364 .000
Devon Dotson 5 30.4 10.8 3.6 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.8 .541 .818 .500
Quentin Grimes 5 27.8 9.0 2.8 3.4 0.6 0.0 1.8 .389 .615 .474
Marcus Garrett 4 23.0 6.3 2.8 2.5 1.0 0.5 0.5 .280 .667 .167
Charlie Moore 5 19.8 3.4 2.0 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.4 .273 .750 .182
K.J. Lawson 5 7.2 2.8 2.8 0.2 0.6 0.0 0.4 .667 .625 .500
David McCormack 4 5.3 1.8 2.5 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.5 .429 .250 .000
Mitch Lightfoot 5 7.0 1.6 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.8 0.2 .750 .667 .000
Totals 5 -- 86 41 17 7 4 13 .489 .638 .440
Season Statistics[/quote]

No genius that is not what I am talking about.

Furthermore you said MOST teams. I didn't ask you genius to cherry pick one or two I asked you to find most teams that limit themselves to EIGHT players with all the minutes.

I cherry picked a handful since I never said MOST teams YOU DID. The burden is on you to show me.[/quote]

SJU currently has 6 players averaging over 10 minutes a game not even 7 let alone 8 let alone 9.

Villanova has 10 genius.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/222
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305265][quote="fordham96" post=305264][quote="we are sju" post=305263]Kansas Jayhawks Stats - 2018-19
Year:

Game Statistics
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Lagerald Vick 5 36.8 19.6 3.8 2.0 1.6 0.0 2.2 .571 .714 .583
Dedric Lawson 5 31.6 17.8 10.4 3.8 1.0 0.8 2.6 .433 .750 .167
Udoka Azubuike 5 21.8 14.4 6.0 0.8 0.4 2.0 2.6 .667 .364 .000
Devon Dotson 5 30.4 10.8 3.6 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.8 .541 .818 .500
Quentin Grimes 5 27.8 9.0 2.8 3.4 0.6 0.0 1.8 .389 .615 .474
Marcus Garrett 4 23.0 6.3 2.8 2.5 1.0 0.5 0.5 .280 .667 .167
Charlie Moore 5 19.8 3.4 2.0 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.4 .273 .750 .182
K.J. Lawson 5 7.2 2.8 2.8 0.2 0.6 0.0 0.4 .667 .625 .500
David McCormack 4 5.3 1.8 2.5 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.5 .429 .250 .000
Mitch Lightfoot 5 7.0 1.6 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.8 0.2 .750 .667 .000
Totals 5 -- 86 41 17 7 4 13 .489 .638 .440
Season Statistics[/quote]

No genius that is not what I am talking about.

Furthermore you said MOST teams. I didn't ask you genius to cherry pick one or two I asked you to find most teams that limit themselves to EIGHT players with all the minutes.

I cherry picked a handful since I never said MOST teams YOU DID. The burden is on you to show me.[/quote]

SJU currently has 6 players averaging over 10 minutes a game not even 7 let alone 8 let alone 9.

Villanova has 10 genius.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/222[/quote]

And finally to go back to my original point SJU essentially has 5 guys on scholarship who are contributing almost nothing right now. Name me a Power 5/Big East school (it doesn't even have to be a successful one) that has all 13 scholarships being currently used and have that much dead weight on their roster.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=305265][quote="fordham96" post=305264][quote="we are sju" post=305263]Kansas Jayhawks Stats - 2018-19
Year:

Game Statistics
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Lagerald Vick 5 36.8 19.6 3.8 2.0 1.6 0.0 2.2 .571 .714 .583
Dedric Lawson 5 31.6 17.8 10.4 3.8 1.0 0.8 2.6 .433 .750 .167
Udoka Azubuike 5 21.8 14.4 6.0 0.8 0.4 2.0 2.6 .667 .364 .000
Devon Dotson 5 30.4 10.8 3.6 2.4 1.6 0.0 1.8 .541 .818 .500
Quentin Grimes 5 27.8 9.0 2.8 3.4 0.6 0.0 1.8 .389 .615 .474
Marcus Garrett 4 23.0 6.3 2.8 2.5 1.0 0.5 0.5 .280 .667 .167
Charlie Moore 5 19.8 3.4 2.0 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.4 .273 .750 .182
K.J. Lawson 5 7.2 2.8 2.8 0.2 0.6 0.0 0.4 .667 .625 .500
David McCormack 4 5.3 1.8 2.5 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.5 .429 .250 .000
Mitch Lightfoot 5 7.0 1.6 1.4 0.4 0.0 0.8 0.2 .750 .667 .000
Totals 5 -- 86 41 17 7 4 13 .489 .638 .440
Season Statistics[/quote]

No genius that is not what I am talking about.

Furthermore you said MOST teams. I didn't ask you genius to cherry pick one or two I asked you to find most teams that limit themselves to EIGHT players with all the minutes.

I cherry picked a handful since I never said MOST teams YOU DID. The burden is on you to show me.[/quote]

SJU currently has 6 players averaging over 10 minutes a game not even 7 let alone 8 let alone 9.

Villanova has 10 genius.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/222[/quote]

I went to first 5 teams in rankings. Wasn't cherry picking, went in order.
ST John's would most likely play 8 if Keita had not gotten hurt. But AGAIN I agree Trimble probably should not be in a good team's rotation and they should have at least another big in rotation. And yes even with an 8 man rotation we would be weak at back end of rotation. I am not arguing we are deep.
My point was with people questioning why we recruited the three frosh and why they are not playing. They were recruited for back of roster and most back of rosters DON'T play.-Per ESPN TEAM STAT PAGE
 
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