Pitino

[quote="Beast of the East" post=339103][quote="P Simmons" post=339101][quote="Beast of the East" post=339098]At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.

He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.

Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.

Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.

Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76[/quote]

I agree with you that age is a factor here. But I do think you could potentially be looking at 7 years of Pitino, not 3 or 4. Boeheim is 74 and not retiring, Coach K is 72 and not retiring.

I’d rather 7 years of Pitino than 13 years of Cluess.[/quote]

Understand your sentiment[/quote]

Also Pitino could take a job that is not seen as attractive to high level coaches but could leave one that looks demonstrably better to top candidates.
 
[quote="Knight" post=339212]Maybe we strip Pitino naked and do a "Shame Walk" around campus. Great coach, yes. Flawed, yes. I don't remember Pitino owning up to doing anything wrong with his Louisville program.[/quote]

Don't forget to shave his head. Shame! Shame! Shame!
 
[quote="Roamer" post=339214][quote="redmanwest" post=339207]Not the point at all. St John's is not the church. St. John's is a UNIVERSITY that seeks to express a mission consistent with the Catholic Church whilst teaching kids how to be adults and get a job etc.

It is in that framework that Pitino is wholly unsuited to be hired here.

The whole point of a university is to instill knowledge and wisdom in its students. The additional point of a Catholic university is to do so with a Catholic mission and philosophy.

To hire Pitino flies in the face of fulfilling those goals.

Students have the choice to go to a Catholic school or not. If they chose to go to St. Johns they do so knowing the atmosphere and educational approach will be tinged with Catholicism. Some actually demand it.

So, unless SJU wants to replicate Marist (which a few years/decades ago separated itself from being a Catholic affiliated school), Pitino is a non-starter.

SJU is not a basketball franchise. The basketball team is an adjunct to the school and is subject to all of the attributes that the school has. Catholicism and instruction in that context included.

The BOT has the obligation to maintain that, and past failings to do so don't justify future knowing failures to do so.[/quote]

Not that I am any authority on religion but isn't part of any religion a right to redeem and have a second chance? If this angle is used it could be the right justification hook :)[/quote]

I did a lot of things at St. John’s the church wouldn’t be happy about ;)

I think Pitino will be just fine.
 
Roamer, not sure if you're being facetious, but of course, the Catholic faith is built on the concept of redemption and forgiveness. But not reward for you errors.

Pitino has been basically defiant in the face of most of the things hurled at him, not humbly sorry.

And, btw, I don't think he actually intends on coming here if offered. His condition (apology form the Southern District US attorney's office) is also a no non-starter. He knows that, so he basically qualified his statement of wanting to come here with a condition that would never be met.

Just sayin'.



Not that I am any authority on religion but isn't part of any religion a right to redeem and have a second chance? If this angle is used it could be the right justification hook :)
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[quote="Marillac" post=339228][quote="Roamer" post=339214][quote="redmanwest" post=339207]Not the point at all. St John's is not the church. St. John's is a UNIVERSITY that seeks to express a mission consistent with the Catholic Church whilst teaching kids how to be adults and get a job etc.

It is in that framework that Pitino is wholly unsuited to be hired here.

The whole point of a university is to instill knowledge and wisdom in its students. The additional point of a Catholic university is to do so with a Catholic mission and philosophy.

To hire Pitino flies in the face of fulfilling those goals.

Students have the choice to go to a Catholic school or not. If they chose to go to St. Johns they do so knowing the atmosphere and educational approach will be tinged with Catholicism. Some actually demand it.

So, unless SJU wants to replicate Marist (which a few years/decades ago separated itself from being a Catholic affiliated school), Pitino is a non-starter.

SJU is not a basketball franchise. The basketball team is an adjunct to the school and is subject to all of the attributes that the school has. Catholicism and instruction in that context included.

The BOT has the obligation to maintain that, and past failings to do so don't justify future knowing failures to do so.[/quote]

Not that I am any authority on religion but isn't part of any religion a right to redeem and have a second chance? If this angle is used it could be the right justification hook :)[/quote]

I did a lot of things at St. John’s the church wouldn’t be happy about ;)

I think Pitino will be just fine.[/quote]

...and still they named a building after you.
 
Guys, let's not tread any further into religion and politics. Thanks.
 
Ive noticed Tom Bradley hasn’t posted since yesterday. I’m assuming he’s just arrived in Greece as I type this.

1) I applaud his enthusiasm.

2) how did he get the chloroform, ropes and body bag past the TSAs?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=339098]At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.

He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.

Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.

Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.

Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76[/quote]

Calhoun....Hmmmmmmmmmm?
 
I want Pitino here as much as anyone, but can we please stop with the forgiveness BS???? Pitino did not make one or two mistakes and then own up to it/them and ask for forgiveness. Now, age along with the eye of the NCAA and Feds may change his behavior, but lets not act like he's the 2nd coming of Fr. Flanagan. A zebra don't change their stripes unless they really really want to, and even then its not easy. To the best of my knowledge, Pitino has never even taken accountability for anything. So, if you guys want Pitino in spite of his history of sleazy behavior that's all good and well and I'm good with that too, but lets please stop portraying him as something that he isn't.
 
Let's just try to put yourself in the mindset of Slick Rick for a second:

SJU job is available - in the media capital of the world.

Rick wants to get his name in print for the dozens of schools looking for a HC and have forgotten his availability.

He floats his name, it gets tractions, and Pitino plays it. All the dirty stuff gets diluted, a la Bill Clinton

Then a more attractive situation pops up, Pitino gets in the mix, and takes that job.

Free PR work for his consideration here.
 
[quote="Monte" post=339251]I want Pitino here as much as anyone, but can we please stop with the forgiveness BS???? Pitino did not make one or two mistakes and then own up to it/them and ask for forgiveness. Now, age along with the eye of the NCAA and Feds may change his behavior, but lets not act like he's the 2nd coming of Fr. Flanagan. A zebra don't change their stripes unless they really really want to, and even then its not easy. To the best of my knowledge, Pitino has never even taken accountability for anything. So, if you guys want Pitino in spite of his history of sleazy behavior that's all good and well and I'm good with that too, but lets please stop portraying him as something that he isn't.[/quote]

He has taken accountability for winning which is the basketball coaches job.
 
A more attractive option did come out and it was UCLA and they never called him.

Bottom line at his age with his baggage he is not getting a top of the line blue blood job. If SJU wants to take a chance it won't get better then this. Because they don't have to pry him away from a better job.

Are there downside risks absolutely.

It is all moot because it does not sound like they are interested but the point is don't get caught up in "Well he'll leave for a blue blood/top 20 job when it happens." You take that risk anyway if that is your only reason for not hiring him.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=339254]Let's just try to put yourself in the mindset of Slick Rick for a second:

SJU job is available - in the media capital of the world.

Rick wants to get his name in print for the dozens of schools looking for a HC and have forgotten his availability.

He floats his name, it gets tractions, and Pitino plays it. All the dirty stuff gets diluted, a la Bill Clinton

Then a more attractive situation pops up, Pitino gets in the mix, and takes that job.

Free PR work for his consideration here.[/quote]

Hey if he won a championship here first.
I'd tell him thank you bringing us that championship, and gl at your new job
 
[quote="guinness77" post=339247]Ive noticed Tom Bradley hasn’t posted since yesterday. I’m assuming he’s just arrived in Greece as I type this.

1) I applaud his enthusiasm.

2) how did he get the chloroform, ropes and body bag past the TSAs?[/quote]

that was funny...spent the morning trying to find out if Cragg spoke with K, if he goes to K for advice my guess is Pitino gets atleast a conversation with Cragg. I know K thinks very highly of Rick as one of the greatest in history. Cragg is aware that Pitino wants in. Now Cragg said he wants to build an Elite level program. If he is honest about that, he atleast has to speak with Rick. If he doesn't I will not believe him. Not saying he has to hire him, but if he really wants us to be elite he needs to speak with Rick. He may find Rick to be too much damaged for his liking, but he needs to speak with him..
 
These opportunities are rare and need to be explored. Especially if Hurley does not pan out.
 
One question for the Anti-Pitino faction. If DePaul were to hire Pitino as their coach today, would you think that was good or bad for our Program ?
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=339288][quote="guinness77" post=339247]Ive noticed Tom Bradley hasn’t posted since yesterday. I’m assuming he’s just arrived in Greece as I type this.

1) I applaud his enthusiasm.

2) how did he get the chloroform, ropes and body bag past the TSAs?[/quote]

that was funny...spent the morning trying to find out if Cragg spoke with K, if he goes to K for advice my guess is Pitino gets atleast a conversation with Cragg. I know K thinks very highly of Rick as one of the greatest in history. Cragg is aware that Pitino wants in. Now Cragg said he wants to build an Elite level program. If he is honest about that, he atleast has to speak with Rick. If he doesn't I will not believe him. Not saying he has to hire him, but if he really wants us to be elite he needs to speak with Rick. He may find Rick to be too much damaged for his liking, but he needs to speak with him..[/quote]

Seems to me the Pitino track is a dead end on a couple fronts.
First, the Administration that turned Mike Rice away will not hire Rick Pitino.
Second, Pitino is 'playing' us in the press.
To 'shout out' a demand that St. John's get the SDNY prosecutor to apologize to Rick for 'whatever' is a taunt to the school and a prop.
He does not want to coach here.
Forget Rick Pitino on those 2 counts.
Hurley please.today, one way or the other.
Then, let's move on...fast.
 
Cragg was not here during the Rice saga and the SDNY is posturing and Pitino defending himself against what many believe he was convicted already of.

Cragg should fight for this hire as it is his hire and after waiting so long to be an AD I'm sure he wants to be successful.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=339296][quote="tom bradley" post=339288][quote="guinness77" post=339247]Ive noticed Tom Bradley hasn’t posted since yesterday. I’m assuming he’s just arrived in Greece as I type this.

1) I applaud his enthusiasm.

2) how did he get the chloroform, ropes and body bag past the TSAs?[/quote]

that was funny...spent the morning trying to find out if Cragg spoke with K, if he goes to K for advice my guess is Pitino gets atleast a conversation with Cragg. I know K thinks very highly of Rick as one of the greatest in history. Cragg is aware that Pitino wants in. Now Cragg said he wants to build an Elite level program. If he is honest about that, he atleast has to speak with Rick. If he doesn't I will not believe him. Not saying he has to hire him, but if he really wants us to be elite he needs to speak with Rick. He may find Rick to be too much damaged for his liking, but he needs to speak with him..[/quote]

Seems to me the Pitino track is a dead end on a couple fronts.
First, the Administration that turned Mike Rice away will not hire Rick Pitino.
Second, Pitino is 'playing' us in the press.
To 'shout out' a demand that St. John's get the SDNY prosecutor to apologize to Rick for 'whatever' is a taunt to the school and a prop.
He does not want to coach here.
Forget Rick Pitino on those 2 counts.
Hurley please.today, one way or the other.
Then, let's move on...fast.[/quote]

Mike Rice is not a top 5 coach all time, and loved by Coach K. That is the first. The reference to an apology from the SDNY was a starting point. That is him saying he is innocent. Pitino is certainly interested. If he wasn't interested he wouldnt of worked his sources and sent feelers out. Mike Rice was on video abusing kids. You can go to youtube and watch it. Now is Rick was on video doing the woman in the restaurant you would have a point. Pitino put it out there he is interested, and if Mike Cragg wants to really build an elite program, he certainly needs to speak with Rick. doesnt mean he hires him, but there are 4 or 5 coaches alive with the resume Pitino has...
 
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