Let’s put on our big boy pants and hire Pitino!
Pitino
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[quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?
JohnnyFever
Active member
[quote="Knight" post=339063][quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Not to change topic, but you should see the guy SJ gets to do talks at the school...he's a radical activist and a reverend or something. Weird.
Anyway, Coach K and Dicky V both signed off on Pitino...seems like Hurley stuff may be dying down. Pull the trigger and put SJ back on the national map in the top 25 every year making runs.
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Not to change topic, but you should see the guy SJ gets to do talks at the school...he's a radical activist and a reverend or something. Weird.
Anyway, Coach K and Dicky V both signed off on Pitino...seems like Hurley stuff may be dying down. Pull the trigger and put SJ back on the national map in the top 25 every year making runs.
beast of the east
Active member
Are you guys nuts?
A high profile guy coaching at a high profile school still went along with paying players to come to Louisville to attain success. You really think at 65 he is going to have the energy to build a clean program the old fashioned way?
On a number of fronts this just won't happen IMO.
On the other hand a once proud program in shambles hiring a once proud coach whose career ended in shambles might be a match.
Find it hard to see Cragg and Pitino together. Even harder to see Bobby G. Signing off on this. But also would say it appears without a Vincentian president that the BOT has a much bigger say in things
A high profile guy coaching at a high profile school still went along with paying players to come to Louisville to attain success. You really think at 65 he is going to have the energy to build a clean program the old fashioned way?
On a number of fronts this just won't happen IMO.
On the other hand a once proud program in shambles hiring a once proud coach whose career ended in shambles might be a match.
Find it hard to see Cragg and Pitino together. Even harder to see Bobby G. Signing off on this. But also would say it appears without a Vincentian president that the BOT has a much bigger say in things
[quote="BasketballJones" post=338980][quote="docbutler" post=338955]While I personally don't see the St. John's hierarchy hiring a coach sporting the obvious scars of Rick Pitino...I must say that for me, this hire is fairly simple. Let's face the facts. We just basically fired the school's all-time hero because he "WASN'T WINNING". We have come to this board and cried in our beers for the last 25 years, because this program is frustratingly underwhelming. We've seen coaches come and go, Athletic Director's come and go, and the promise of this big man, or another, go as well. I don't know how many of you are as disgusted as I am? I stare at my TV screen trying to figure out how, they seem to have quality centers at Division I programs, so far in the sticks, I'm almost surprised they have electricity. We live in the most fantastic media market in the world...but we can't find a coach who can recruit here?....Impossible!!!! But we are now at an important crossroads. We have been in the crosshairs of obscurity for so long, it is threatening to become a permanent condition. We have several key players positioned to leave the program....a ground zero if you will. It is 4th and 20...and there is two minutes left in the game. It is time for a home run...a full court shot! In the wake of firing our school hero, anything less seems antithetical! Presumably, we let Chris go because we have a WILL TO WIN!. If that is the case, then anything less than hiring the best possible option to make that happen, makes no sense. If morality is your chief concern, then why didn't you simply stay with Mullin. There isn't an available coach in America (assuming he were actually interested), who could potentially breathe competitive life into this Red Storm program. His past travesties...who cares? He carries denial of those travesties and well, isn't forgiveness and rehabilitation part of our Christian message? Rick Pitino has delivered at every program where he has participated in his storied career. He is a man who understands this game and recognizes court situations, and also knows how to recruit. His name will attract important talent. Our program is in severe need of this sort of authentic boost. It will take a tremendous coach to overcome our obvious recruiting deficits....no football, home-coming, or a transient student population. It will take a Rick Pitino, if anyone at all can do it! This is hardly the time for moralistic platitudes. I watch St. John's basketball with an intense desire to see us win. For those two hours, that is what matters to me. I save church, and the ramblings of behavioral perfection, for Sunday mornings![/quote]
Interesting post. So, the program is in such dire straits that only a “home run” hire in Rick Pitino can save it? Except for Pitino killed the golden goose at Louisville such that he’s coaching in Greece, mostly of his own doing. He has plausible deniability. So what? I didn’t know my players had hookers in their dorm? Really? The way I heard it, none of his players had a single beer without him knowing it. Ever. There isn’t a major program in America that would hire him. If Mike Rice was vetoed as an assistant, like the Forbes article says, how will they justify Pitino.
Pitino might be the fastest route to bringing 5 star recruits, but there is a mercenary quality to that as well. I’d rather see a professional AD, for a change, hire a professional coaching staff with excellent recruiters, game planning and player development and rebuild permanently from there. I’m hoping we have that. We shall see.[/quote]
Jonesy...My post is simply one man's opinion. And I certainly respect yours. In answer to what you printed I would say "Yes, our program is very definitely in dire straights". There is murmuring of several players transferring and as you've seen, Justin Simon is planning to enter the draft. You are correct in saying that the scandal at Louisville very definitely had a negative impact on the school. They had wins vacated for three years (years that averaged 32 wins each), including a National Championship. However, when Denny Crum left the program, his final year was a miserable 12-19 record. That was 2000-2001. Pitino took over in 2001 and immediately changed that culture to 19-13. His subsequent years were (2002-3) 25-7 (2003-4) 20-10 (2004-5) 33-5. In 2005-6 Louisville transferred into the Big East and the team subsequently post as follows: (2005-6) 21-13 (2006-7) 24-10 (2007-8) 27-9 (2008-9) 31-6 (2009-10) 20-13
(2010-11) 25-10. The Louisville team hasn't stopped playing. He established a winning culture there that exists to the current year. What are you saying my friend?...That the Louisville Program had to suffer the indignity of vacating 96 wins over three years plus a National Championship? Excuse me, but I'll take it! Our dignity has remained intact, but the hair on my head has been falling out at a pretty rapid pace watching our team fail and fail again. Mercenary quality?....Are you kidding? Everything about college basketball has a mercenary aspect to it! Fastest route to a five star recruit? Where...I want it! A four-star recruit at St. John's is major news. We haven't had a McDonalds All-American since Washington recruited Hamilton. And what is a professional coaching staff? What does that mean? We had two NBA Hall of Famers just leave. How professional do you want to go? Sorry Jonesy, but the only guy out there that can clean up this mess, considering what might be available, is Pitino.
Interesting post. So, the program is in such dire straits that only a “home run” hire in Rick Pitino can save it? Except for Pitino killed the golden goose at Louisville such that he’s coaching in Greece, mostly of his own doing. He has plausible deniability. So what? I didn’t know my players had hookers in their dorm? Really? The way I heard it, none of his players had a single beer without him knowing it. Ever. There isn’t a major program in America that would hire him. If Mike Rice was vetoed as an assistant, like the Forbes article says, how will they justify Pitino.
Pitino might be the fastest route to bringing 5 star recruits, but there is a mercenary quality to that as well. I’d rather see a professional AD, for a change, hire a professional coaching staff with excellent recruiters, game planning and player development and rebuild permanently from there. I’m hoping we have that. We shall see.[/quote]
Jonesy...My post is simply one man's opinion. And I certainly respect yours. In answer to what you printed I would say "Yes, our program is very definitely in dire straights". There is murmuring of several players transferring and as you've seen, Justin Simon is planning to enter the draft. You are correct in saying that the scandal at Louisville very definitely had a negative impact on the school. They had wins vacated for three years (years that averaged 32 wins each), including a National Championship. However, when Denny Crum left the program, his final year was a miserable 12-19 record. That was 2000-2001. Pitino took over in 2001 and immediately changed that culture to 19-13. His subsequent years were (2002-3) 25-7 (2003-4) 20-10 (2004-5) 33-5. In 2005-6 Louisville transferred into the Big East and the team subsequently post as follows: (2005-6) 21-13 (2006-7) 24-10 (2007-8) 27-9 (2008-9) 31-6 (2009-10) 20-13
(2010-11) 25-10. The Louisville team hasn't stopped playing. He established a winning culture there that exists to the current year. What are you saying my friend?...That the Louisville Program had to suffer the indignity of vacating 96 wins over three years plus a National Championship? Excuse me, but I'll take it! Our dignity has remained intact, but the hair on my head has been falling out at a pretty rapid pace watching our team fail and fail again. Mercenary quality?....Are you kidding? Everything about college basketball has a mercenary aspect to it! Fastest route to a five star recruit? Where...I want it! A four-star recruit at St. John's is major news. We haven't had a McDonalds All-American since Washington recruited Hamilton. And what is a professional coaching staff? What does that mean? We had two NBA Hall of Famers just leave. How professional do you want to go? Sorry Jonesy, but the only guy out there that can clean up this mess, considering what might be available, is Pitino.
jc1305us
Member
If history is our guide, SJU will hire a “nice guy” who will give us 16-18 wins a year, one or two ncaa first round exits, and a clean program. (I’m thinking Cluess)
The amazing thing is that the school basically let Fr. Harrington skate with a nice cushy retirement for commuting fraud! Selling degrees, no interest loans for his boyfriend, etc. But now they are holier than thou? I have not sent a dime to the school since the Harrington debacle, I was so disgusted. Amazing the hypocrisy. Hire Pitino, and at least try to breathe life into this program!
The amazing thing is that the school basically let Fr. Harrington skate with a nice cushy retirement for commuting fraud! Selling degrees, no interest loans for his boyfriend, etc. But now they are holier than thou? I have not sent a dime to the school since the Harrington debacle, I was so disgusted. Amazing the hypocrisy. Hire Pitino, and at least try to breathe life into this program!
With our universe falling apart every day, there is still hope.
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As far as Rick's tainted history goes, if he can be "clean" for a few (4?) years while winning, some other school or NBA team will hire him away. The risk to the university's reputation seems pretty limited. The cash potential seems significant.
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As far as Rick's tainted history goes, if he can be "clean" for a few (4?) years while winning, some other school or NBA team will hire him away. The risk to the university's reputation seems pretty limited. The cash potential seems significant.
Let us not forget that the now-vaunted head coach at Seton Hall paid $$$ to acquire his star player in a desperate bid to keep his job. And guess what? It worked.
Strippers? Prostitutes? SJU was an innovator in that area. We do not need to return to those tactics, of course. But let’s get off the moral high horse and make the program relevant again.
Strippers? Prostitutes? SJU was an innovator in that area. We do not need to return to those tactics, of course. But let’s get off the moral high horse and make the program relevant again.
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beast of the east
Active member
At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.
He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.
Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.
Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.
Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76
He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.
Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.
Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.
Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76
[quote="Beast of the East" post=339098]At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.
He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.
Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.
Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.
Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76[/quote]
I agree with you that age is a factor here. But I do think you could potentially be looking at 7 years of Pitino, not 3 or 4. Boeheim is 74 and not retiring, Coach K is 72 and not retiring.
I’d rather 7 years of Pitino than 13 years of Cluess.
He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.
Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.
Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.
Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76[/quote]
I agree with you that age is a factor here. But I do think you could potentially be looking at 7 years of Pitino, not 3 or 4. Boeheim is 74 and not retiring, Coach K is 72 and not retiring.
I’d rather 7 years of Pitino than 13 years of Cluess.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="P Simmons" post=339101][quote="Beast of the East" post=339098]At best even if all else checked out, Pitino would be a 3-5 year proposition.
He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.
Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.
Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.
Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76[/quote]
I agree with you that age is a factor here. But I do think you could potentially be looking at 7 years of Pitino, not 3 or 4. Boeheim is 74 and not retiring, Coach K is 72 and not retiring.
I’d rather 7 years of Pitino than 13 years of Cluess.[/quote]
Understand your sentiment
He is 66 now, will be 67 next season.
Even if successful we would be back in the same place in 3 or 4 years. Our thirst for a winning program is great, but already next year is looking like a throwaway.
Tired of revolving door. A 50 or 55 year old Pitino in its dialogue. Not this.
Calhoun is available and coaching. Only 76[/quote]
I agree with you that age is a factor here. But I do think you could potentially be looking at 7 years of Pitino, not 3 or 4. Boeheim is 74 and not retiring, Coach K is 72 and not retiring.
I’d rather 7 years of Pitino than 13 years of Cluess.[/quote]
Understand your sentiment
buckethead
Well-known member
A nice guy isn't going to cut it. If you let Mullin go to hire a nice guy Cragg needs fired next. If it is not someone with a history of winning and who has an ability to recruit and x/o then you may as well move us to the American East and hope for an occasional league championship to get us into the NCAAs. I will take 3-7 years of Pitino. I will definitely take Hurley. Mullin was a big risk but one worth taking because of his history with the school, his work ethic and the belief he could recruit the city. The school spent gobs of money on this risk. The next coach needs to be a win or you may as well just accept the status of the 'has-been' school. It needs to be done the right way but this is truly the point where they administration needs to hit a homerun or accept obscurity in perpetuity.
[quote="Knight" post=339063][quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="IDRAFT" post=339125][quote="Knight" post=339063][quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.[/quote]
To my knowledge, there are strict guidelines against church's endorsing candidates for political office. They have been accused of doing this over time, but often what is and can be advocated from the pulpit are voting for candidates in line with church teachings on abortion, concerns for the poor, etc. Sometimes those in pews have to connect the dots, as in a statement like this: "There may be no greater issue than protecting the killing of innocent unborn children. With election day approaching, there are clear choices on this subject."
Saying vote for Trump or any candidate could jeopardize tax free status of churches.
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.[/quote]
To my knowledge, there are strict guidelines against church's endorsing candidates for political office. They have been accused of doing this over time, but often what is and can be advocated from the pulpit are voting for candidates in line with church teachings on abortion, concerns for the poor, etc. Sometimes those in pews have to connect the dots, as in a statement like this: "There may be no greater issue than protecting the killing of innocent unborn children. With election day approaching, there are clear choices on this subject."
Saying vote for Trump or any candidate could jeopardize tax free status of churches.
[quote="Knight" post=339063][quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
By the way, offense taken. You don't know me but unlike many priests I am not a liar.
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
By the way, offense taken. You don't know me but unlike many priests I am not a liar.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=339129][quote="IDRAFT" post=339125][quote="Knight" post=339063][quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.[/quote]
To my knowledge, there are strict guidelines against church's endorsing candidates for political office. They have been accused of doing this over time, but often what is and can be advocated from the pulpit are voting for candidates in line with church teachings on abortion, concerns for the poor, etc. Sometimes those in pews have to connect the dots, as in a statement like this: "There may be no greater issue than protecting the killing of innocent unborn children. With election day approaching, there are clear choices on this subject."
Saying vote for Trump or any candidate could jeopardize tax free status of churches.[/quote]
Well it happened so there is that. Notice I freely named the parish. You can all think I'm the liar, go ahead, I have no doubt about this. Believe what you want.
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.[/quote]
To my knowledge, there are strict guidelines against church's endorsing candidates for political office. They have been accused of doing this over time, but often what is and can be advocated from the pulpit are voting for candidates in line with church teachings on abortion, concerns for the poor, etc. Sometimes those in pews have to connect the dots, as in a statement like this: "There may be no greater issue than protecting the killing of innocent unborn children. With election day approaching, there are clear choices on this subject."
Saying vote for Trump or any candidate could jeopardize tax free status of churches.[/quote]
Well it happened so there is that. Notice I freely named the parish. You can all think I'm the liar, go ahead, I have no doubt about this. Believe what you want.
Moose
Well-known member
One thing I find funny here. if you look up old posts about Pitino he would routinely ripped on this site. People saying he doesn't care about SJU etc...
I always knew he had an affinity for SJU but everyone felt it wasn't genuine or whatever.
Now he publicly speaks about his affinity for SJU and everyone is drooling and changing their boxers. Pretty funny if you ask me.
I always knew he had an affinity for SJU but everyone felt it wasn't genuine or whatever.
Now he publicly speaks about his affinity for SJU and everyone is drooling and changing their boxers. Pretty funny if you ask me.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="IDRAFT" post=339137][quote="Beast of the East" post=339129][quote="IDRAFT" post=339125][quote="Knight" post=339063][quote="IDRAFT" post=339049][quote="adavis1" post=339029]If St. John's wants to win Pitino is the obvious hire. As a non-Catholic and someone who didn't go to SJU I'm interested in what in Pitino's past is keeping St. John's from hiring him. Is it the affair(s)? Donald Trump is President (with a majority of the Catholic vote). Is it the obviously dirty programs he ran? Does anybody even pretend to care about that anymore? The NCAA is obviously immoral and I assume every school cheats or turns a blind eye to it. Is Pitino a non-starter for the important people at St. John's because he paid for an abortion? I ask this with complete respect and curiosity is paying for an abortion the unforgivable sin keeping St. John's from hiring Pitino?[/quote]
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.[/quote]
To my knowledge, there are strict guidelines against church's endorsing candidates for political office. They have been accused of doing this over time, but often what is and can be advocated from the pulpit are voting for candidates in line with church teachings on abortion, concerns for the poor, etc. Sometimes those in pews have to connect the dots, as in a statement like this: "There may be no greater issue than protecting the killing of innocent unborn children. With election day approaching, there are clear choices on this subject."
Saying vote for Trump or any candidate could jeopardize tax free status of churches.[/quote]
Well it happened so there is that. Notice I freely named the parish. You can all think I'm the liar, go ahead, I have no doubt about this. Believe what you want.[/quote]
Not calling you a liar or anything close to that. I've heard priests say inappropriate or incorrect things from the pulpit. No offense intended.
The priest at my wife’s church read a ringing endorsement of Trump during a mass from the Rockville Center Diocese! But a line gets drawn here. So hypocritical.[/quote]
Endorsement of what? I am dubious of a priest reading anything political in church. What parish?[/quote]
Endorsement for President. Notre Dame New Hyde Park.[/quote]
To my knowledge, there are strict guidelines against church's endorsing candidates for political office. They have been accused of doing this over time, but often what is and can be advocated from the pulpit are voting for candidates in line with church teachings on abortion, concerns for the poor, etc. Sometimes those in pews have to connect the dots, as in a statement like this: "There may be no greater issue than protecting the killing of innocent unborn children. With election day approaching, there are clear choices on this subject."
Saying vote for Trump or any candidate could jeopardize tax free status of churches.[/quote]
Well it happened so there is that. Notice I freely named the parish. You can all think I'm the liar, go ahead, I have no doubt about this. Believe what you want.[/quote]
Not calling you a liar or anything close to that. I've heard priests say inappropriate or incorrect things from the pulpit. No offense intended.
we are sju
Active member
[quote="Moose" post=339142]One thing I find funny here. if you look up old posts about Pitino he would routinely ripped on this site. People saying he doesn't care about SJU etc...
I always knew he had an affinity for SJU but everyone felt it wasn't genuine or whatever.
Now he publicly speaks about his affinity for SJU and everyone is drooling and changing their boxers. Pretty funny if you ask me.[/quote]
Sort of like geeks in HS making fun of hottest girl in school who would never look at them twice. Then after HS hot girl has a baby gets divorced and winks at HS geek in a bar. HS geek now very interested
I always knew he had an affinity for SJU but everyone felt it wasn't genuine or whatever.
Now he publicly speaks about his affinity for SJU and everyone is drooling and changing their boxers. Pretty funny if you ask me.[/quote]
Sort of like geeks in HS making fun of hottest girl in school who would never look at them twice. Then after HS hot girl has a baby gets divorced and winks at HS geek in a bar. HS geek now very interested
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[quote="Moose" post=339142]One thing I find funny here. if you look up old posts about Pitino he would routinely ripped on this site. People saying he doesn't care about SJU etc...
I always knew he had an affinity for SJU but everyone felt it wasn't genuine or whatever.
Now he publicly speaks about his affinity for SJU and everyone is drooling and changing their boxers. Pretty funny if you ask me.[/quote]
Moose, my recollection is that when Cal was at UMASS and asked Pitino about a vacant SJU position, Pitino advised that he was better off to stay at UMASS as it was a better program. He may have steered Donovan away also, but Donovan had his own beef against Lou that was not warranted.
I always knew he had an affinity for SJU but everyone felt it wasn't genuine or whatever.
Now he publicly speaks about his affinity for SJU and everyone is drooling and changing their boxers. Pretty funny if you ask me.[/quote]
Moose, my recollection is that when Cal was at UMASS and asked Pitino about a vacant SJU position, Pitino advised that he was better off to stay at UMASS as it was a better program. He may have steered Donovan away also, but Donovan had his own beef against Lou that was not warranted.