Orlando Sanchez

Ladies and gents, there is a new link on ESPN insider that was posted a few hours ago which talks about Orlando. Does anyone have access?
 
Ladies and gents, there is a new link on ESPN insider that was posted a few hours ago which talks about Orlando. Does anyone have access?
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Nothing new in that link - it just repeats what Zagoria said.
 
Ladies and gents, there is a new link on ESPN insider that was posted a few hours ago which talks about Orlando. Does anyone have access?
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Nothing new in that link - it just repeats what Zagoria said.
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At least his name and situation is being propagated
 
Neither Lawrence or Jordan have us as their #1 school and two losing seasons in a row may be too much for Lavin's enormous ego to take.
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Wow, you have inside info or just make it up as you go along.
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you don't need "inside information" to follow today's recruits that use Twitter to tell you their every bowel movement or sources that tell you where they are leaning. If you do not think I want Lav to snag these two you are nuts!
I do not believe everything players and their handlers release because I know they use it as leverage with the recruiting schools.
Jordan: "Temple is "home" to me". After Temple beat Syracuse, his opinion did not decrease.
Lawrence? Three years at Cardozo and it's history of not sending players down to Union Turnpike (any guesses) and having been on campus more than any recruit in recent memory, without ever indicating we "lead" does not take Sherlock Holmes. That he left Cardozo was actuallly a position in our favor.
If I wanted to make stuff up, I would publish on BEB with the ying and yang team. If I wanted to make stuff up I would publish under my other screen name on JJ and join ranks with Marco Baldi.
I am using negativity to keep me grounded in our reality.
Unlike others, I want to be surprised with success, both this year and next.
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No need to use negativity to psyche out yourself. Reality are facts, and death and taxes. Until the season is over and the dust has settled, then we're not sure what this season will have in store. There is a strong, likelihood that we continue to play with inconsistency, but it isn't reality.

Like I stated several days ago.... I spoke with someone who has access to Jordan's situation, and Temple wasn't in the lead, as you seem to believe. Things can change, as they tend to do, with these kids. As, of last week that wasn't the case.

I can't speak on Lawrence's situation. I don't know who's the perceived leader for him. I know a few months ago that his mom was fond of the staff.

Once again, it doesn't matter who's leading (although, we all like to hear our team is leading the pack for a recruit) until they commit, and ultimately, sign their name on the dotted line.
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MJ, I agree it does not matter who is the perceived leader until a prospect actually signs an LOI. However, when you only have two kids you are pursuing with any intensity and the kids are waiting for the Spring signing period, it means there is no clear leader and that is what I based my opinion on......the majority of kids commit by the Fall because they know their preference and want to focus on school and becoming eligible. There are very few "blanks" left next to the top 50 players regarding their school of chioce as of today.
The best case scenario will be we do not lose Sampson and Harrison AND sign Lawrence and Jordan. The nightmare begins if we lose the two and not sign the 2 prospects. Then we are left with sleepers and mystery recruits. Sound familiar?
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We're amongst a small group of schools in the race for two blue-chippers. That is all you can ask for at the moment. There is always the possibility we can lose out on one, if not both of these kids. You can't lose out on either one of 'em, if you're not in it. The reality is we are amongst the leaders for Jordan (if not the actual leader) and Lawrence, respectively.
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True, but when we hired Lavin some of us felt his recruiting skill would lead to one or two five star possibilities. While we show disdain for all things Syracuse, they continue to stock with that level player and still take common recruits at will. They are our major competitor, along with Uconn, for area recruits. Even the prospect of less playing time at Uconn for a Kenton Facey did not sway him in our direction.
If Harrison bolts, even with Jordan signing, we are back to having an unproven frosh to play major minutes and that frosh is only ranked # 66 of the handful of remaining available recruits in the nation. No if, ands, or buts, Lawrence is a must get...period!
Lavin is involved with a small handful of sub-90 rated 2014 players but certainly none in the top 25 as yet.
In year three we are nowhere near the level of players Lavin recruited and signed while at UCLA and miles and miles away from our major NY competitor, Syracuse.
Bottom line is we need players to stay 3-4 years and with the Big East imploding weekly and our future murky, there are no longer guarantees of returning to the elite level of the 80's and without that possibility or at least hope thereof, our future at MSG, our biggest recruiting ace in the hole, will be in question.
Regardless of what others think about him, our lack of an offer to Calipari a few years ago when he was at Memphis may have been the turning point in the level of recruit we could attract.
At that stage, Cal was a millionaire many times over and wanted the challenge of SJ and NYC.
Hey, water under the bridge, no?
Get the players, get them early, lock-em up early and teach them defense.......an old Boeheim strategy that has worked for him to this day.
Get to work staff. LOL!!
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72, you are completely wrong on the offer to Calipari. It was written up approved etc. Then Looie threatened to walk away from the University and put the kabosh to the offer. It's that simple. Loyalty to Looie killed Calipari being coach. Which way would you want it?
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Ah, the Looie kibosh! Stuff of myth and legend! Looie got a pass with Brian Mahoney....likely the worst x and o coach in redmen history.
Not sure of your definition of an offer, but I never heard that St. John's actually tendered Cal an offer for him to accept or refuse. I am not sure if it ever got beyond the boardroom to Cal and the hiring of coaches from Mahoney, Fran, Jarvis, Norm all have Looie in the mythical loop but the President and athletic director, with close consult with the big donors, always make the final decision. To lay the blame on an 80 year old former coach is a cop-out.
Matt D had the backing and funding of one of SJ's biggest donors. Our AD (AD's) have failed us over the past 20 years.......it was their decision and the President gave the final vote.
I will defer to the Maven if Cal actually had a written offer in hand but if he did, not giving him the opportunity to accept or reject would have to rival the demise of the Big East in college sports blunders.
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It's not a huge secret that Coach C. had huge disdain for Calipari, apparently with good reason for a Cal tactic when an assistant at Pitt. But way beyond that, Calipari was a Pitino disciple, who supposedly threw cold water on Calipari's interest in St. John's, basically telling him that the UMASS job was a a better job than St. John's, and the SJU job would be a step down, not up. After that, Cal had no interest in the job.
 
Neither Lawrence or Jordan have us as their #1 school and two losing seasons in a row may be too much for Lavin's enormous ego to take.
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Wow, you have inside info or just make it up as you go along.
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you don't need "inside information" to follow today's recruits that use Twitter to tell you their every bowel movement or sources that tell you where they are leaning. If you do not think I want Lav to snag these two you are nuts!
I do not believe everything players and their handlers release because I know they use it as leverage with the recruiting schools.
Jordan: "Temple is "home" to me". After Temple beat Syracuse, his opinion did not decrease.
Lawrence? Three years at Cardozo and it's history of not sending players down to Union Turnpike (any guesses) and having been on campus more than any recruit in recent memory, without ever indicating we "lead" does not take Sherlock Holmes. That he left Cardozo was actuallly a position in our favor.
If I wanted to make stuff up, I would publish on BEB with the ying and yang team. If I wanted to make stuff up I would publish under my other screen name on JJ and join ranks with Marco Baldi.
I am using negativity to keep me grounded in our reality.
Unlike others, I want to be surprised with success, both this year and next.
Click to expand...

No need to use negativity to psyche out yourself. Reality are facts, and death and taxes. Until the season is over and the dust has settled, then we're not sure what this season will have in store. There is a strong, likelihood that we continue to play with inconsistency, but it isn't reality.

Like I stated several days ago.... I spoke with someone who has access to Jordan's situation, and Temple wasn't in the lead, as you seem to believe. Things can change, as they tend to do, with these kids. As, of last week that wasn't the case.

I can't speak on Lawrence's situation. I don't know who's the perceived leader for him. I know a few months ago that his mom was fond of the staff.

Once again, it doesn't matter who's leading (although, we all like to hear our team is leading the pack for a recruit) until they commit, and ultimately, sign their name on the dotted line.
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MJ, I agree it does not matter who is the perceived leader until a prospect actually signs an LOI. However, when you only have two kids you are pursuing with any intensity and the kids are waiting for the Spring signing period, it means there is no clear leader and that is what I based my opinion on......the majority of kids commit by the Fall because they know their preference and want to focus on school and becoming eligible. There are very few "blanks" left next to the top 50 players regarding their school of chioce as of today.
The best case scenario will be we do not lose Sampson and Harrison AND sign Lawrence and Jordan. The nightmare begins if we lose the two and not sign the 2 prospects. Then we are left with sleepers and mystery recruits. Sound familiar?
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We're amongst a small group of schools in the race for two blue-chippers. That is all you can ask for at the moment. There is always the possibility we can lose out on one, if not both of these kids. You can't lose out on either one of 'em, if you're not in it. The reality is we are amongst the leaders for Jordan (if not the actual leader) and Lawrence, respectively.
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True, but when we hired Lavin some of us felt his recruiting skill would lead to one or two five star possibilities. While we show disdain for all things Syracuse, they continue to stock with that level player and still take common recruits at will. They are our major competitor, along with Uconn, for area recruits. Even the prospect of less playing time at Uconn for a Kenton Facey did not sway him in our direction.
If Harrison bolts, even with Jordan signing, we are back to having an unproven frosh to play major minutes and that frosh is only ranked # 66 of the handful of remaining available recruits in the nation. No if, ands, or buts, Lawrence is a must get...period!
Lavin is involved with a small handful of sub-90 rated 2014 players but certainly none in the top 25 as yet.
In year three we are nowhere near the level of players Lavin recruited and signed while at UCLA and miles and miles away from our major NY competitor, Syracuse.
Bottom line is we need players to stay 3-4 years and with the Big East imploding weekly and our future murky, there are no longer guarantees of returning to the elite level of the 80's and without that possibility or at least hope thereof, our future at MSG, our biggest recruiting ace in the hole, will be in question.
Regardless of what others think about him, our lack of an offer to Calipari a few years ago when he was at Memphis may have been the turning point in the level of recruit we could attract.
At that stage, Cal was a millionaire many times over and wanted the challenge of SJ and NYC.
Hey, water under the bridge, no?
Get the players, get them early, lock-em up early and teach them defense.......an old Boeheim strategy that has worked for him to this day.
Get to work staff. LOL!!
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72, you are completely wrong on the offer to Calipari. It was written up approved etc. Then Looie threatened to walk away from the University and put the kabosh to the offer. It's that simple. Loyalty to Looie killed Calipari being coach. Which way would you want it?
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Ah, the Looie kibosh! Stuff of myth and legend! Looie got a pass with Brian Mahoney....likely the worst x and o coach in redmen history.
Not sure of your definition of an offer, but I never heard that St. John's actually tendered Cal an offer for him to accept or refuse. I am not sure if it ever got beyond the boardroom to Cal and the hiring of coaches from Mahoney, Fran, Jarvis, Norm all have Looie in the mythical loop but the President and athletic director, with close consult with the big donors, always make the final decision. To lay the blame on an 80 year old former coach is a cop-out.
Matt D had the backing and funding of one of SJ's biggest donors. Our AD (AD's) have failed us over the past 20 years.......it was their decision and the President gave the final vote.
I will defer to the Maven if Cal actually had a written offer in hand but if he did, not giving him the opportunity to accept or reject would have to rival the demise of the Big East in college sports blunders.
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It's not a huge secret that Coach C. had huge disdain for Calipari, apparently with good reason for a Cal tactic when an assistant at Pitt. But way beyond that, Calipari was a Pitino disciple, who supposedly threw cold water on Calipari's interest in St. John's, basically telling him that the UMASS job was a a better job than St. John's, and the SJU job would be a step down, not up. After that, Cal had no interest in the job.
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How is he Pitino disciple? They have never been on same staff.
 
Perhaps reference is being made to the fact that I believe Pitino may have been the head coach at UMASS a 100 yeas ago and encouraged Calipari to accept the job there ?

Furthermore, I am at a loss to understand why we are even discussing Calipari as our coach since we have a darn good coach and staff ( though we may not agree with eery decision they make even though we lack the facts ). He is not leaving UK to come to Queens and Lavin is not leaving Queens. Pre-season we had an all-star staff and were worries they would leave for other pastures , 12 games later they have regressed in terms of knowledge as has every player on the team other than JS and CO, go figure because I can't.
 
Perhaps reference is being made to the fact that I believe Pitino may have been the head coach at UMASS a 100 yeas ago and encouraged Calipari to accept the job there ?

Furthermore, I am at a loss to understand why we are even discussing Calipari as our coach since we have a darn good coach and staff ( though we may not agree with eery decision they make even though we lack the facts ). He is not leaving UK to come to Queens and Lavin is not leaving Queens. Pre-season we had an all-star staff and were worries they would leave for other pastures , 12 games later they have regressed in terms of knowledge as has every player on the team other than JS and CO, go figure because I can't.
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Thank you red for providing a dose of sense/reality to the board. Anyone who thinks Lav needs to go is just plain crazy... btw - is the NCAA kidding or what?... Geez, give this kid an answer already so we can all get on with our lives!
 
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud58/

At least his name is starting to appear more and more...Hopefully we'll hear something soon...good or bad...
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Call me crazy, but I have a gut feeling something positive may happen since the media is starting to reveal how lazy and unprofessional the NCAA is regarding this situation. Maybe there is a rule he broke but gets a special condition for since his parents both died and he was supporting his family at the time? It would be totally cruel and almost sadistic to not let this kid play after all he's been through. It's not like he intentionally tried to gain any advantage or did anything bad. From what I understand he likely played for money to support his family at some point. Hopefully the NCAA has a heart, but I won't be holding my breath assuming that.
 
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud58/

At least his name is starting to appear more and more...Hopefully we'll hear something soon...good or bad...
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Call me crazy, but I have a gut feeling something positive may happen since the media is starting to reveal how lazy and unprofessional the NCAA is regarding this situation. Maybe there is a rule he broke but gets a special condition for since his parents both died and he was supporting his family at the time? It would be totally cruel and almost sadistic to not let this kid play after all he's been through. It's not like he intentionally tried to gain any advantage or did anything bad. From what I understand he likely played for money to support his family at some point. Hopefully the NCAA has a heart, but I won't be holding my breath assuming that.
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Hopefully not the case as I am sure the NCAA will view as a "black and white" issue...
 
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud58/

At least his name is starting to appear more and more...Hopefully we'll hear something soon...good or bad...
Click to expand...

Call me crazy, but I have a gut feeling something positive may happen since the media is starting to reveal how lazy and unprofessional the NCAA is regarding this situation. Maybe there is a rule he broke but gets a special condition for since his parents both died and he was supporting his family at the time? It would be totally cruel and almost sadistic to not let this kid play after all he's been through. It's not like he intentionally tried to gain any advantage or did anything bad. From what I understand he likely played for money to support his family at some point. Hopefully the NCAA has a heart, but I won't be holding my breath assuming that.
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You're crazy.
 
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud58/

At least his name is starting to appear more and more...Hopefully we'll hear something soon...good or bad...
Click to expand...

Call me crazy, but I have a gut feeling something positive may happen since the media is starting to reveal how lazy and unprofessional the NCAA is regarding this situation. Maybe there is a rule he broke but gets a special condition for since his parents both died and he was supporting his family at the time? It would be totally cruel and almost sadistic to not let this kid play after all he's been through. It's not like he intentionally tried to gain any advantage or did anything bad. From what I understand he likely played for money to support his family at some point. Hopefully the NCAA has a heart, but I won't be holding my breath assuming that.
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You're crazy.
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Eh, probably so but I'm trying this new positivity spin on things. Maybe we are pleasantly surprised for once. We are due for a nice surprise after all the decommitting, bad losses, and ineligible players.
 
The only positive I see right now is that he hasn't left the team yet
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Perhaps the fact that he hasn't yet left means there is hope? If I were him I would be gone by now if I knew my chances were slim. I'd just to to Europe and make money. Maybe they told him to wait until Big East play as the time to either play or leave.
 
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud58/

At least his name is starting to appear more and more...Hopefully we'll hear something soon...good or bad...
Click to expand...

Call me crazy, but I have a gut feeling something positive may happen since the media is starting to reveal how lazy and unprofessional the NCAA is regarding this situation. Maybe there is a rule he broke but gets a special condition for since his parents both died and he was supporting his family at the time? It would be totally cruel and almost sadistic to not let this kid play after all he's been through. It's not like he intentionally tried to gain any advantage or did anything bad. From what I understand he likely played for money to support his family at some point. Hopefully the NCAA has a heart, but I won't be holding my breath assuming that.
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You're crazy.
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Eh, probably so but I'm trying this new positivity spin on things. Maybe we are pleasantly surprised for once. We are due for a nice surprise after all the decommitting, bad losses, and ineligible players.
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Called you crazy cause you told me to (can someone call me a cab-all right you're a cab). Word is ncaa keeps asking for more info so doubt they feel any pressure to rush their decision. Wish they had just let the kid play unless it was so obvious he shouldn't be eligible.
 
http://www.golocalprov.com/sports/john-rooke-thinking-out-loud58/

At least his name is starting to appear more and more...Hopefully we'll hear something soon...good or bad...
Click to expand...

Call me crazy, but I have a gut feeling something positive may happen since the media is starting to reveal how lazy and unprofessional the NCAA is regarding this situation. Maybe there is a rule he broke but gets a special condition for since his parents both died and he was supporting his family at the time? It would be totally cruel and almost sadistic to not let this kid play after all he's been through. It's not like he intentionally tried to gain any advantage or did anything bad. From what I understand he likely played for money to support his family at some point. Hopefully the NCAA has a heart, but I won't be holding my breath assuming that.
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You're crazy.
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Eh, probably so but I'm trying this new positivity spin on things. Maybe we are pleasantly surprised for once. We are due for a nice surprise after all the decommitting, bad losses, and ineligible players.
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Called you crazy cause you told me to (can someone call me a cab-all right you're a cab). Word is ncaa keeps asking for more info so doubt they feel any pressure to rush their decision. Wish they had just let the kid play unless it was so obvious he shouldn't be eligible.
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Right. I totally agree there. It should be like court. If you can't prove he did anything clearly wrong but only have suspicion, let the poor kid go. They already wasted this kid's opportunity to break out in the OOC schedule which could have made us 10-2 instead of 8-4 with a lot more hope. How much paperwork do they possibly need? It's like Donald Trump hunting for proof that Obama was not born in the US, but he can't find it. Just give it up and stop the witch hunt. Let the kid free.
 
The only positive I see right now is that he hasn't left the team yet
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Has he returned to the team?
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Don't know but since he went home for the holidays there is New Year's coming up and than you have Elvis's birthday on Jan. 8, than MLK day, Lincoln and Washington's birthday, St. Paddy's day, Easter so i'm figuring he will be back just in time for our appearance in the final 4.
 
maybe we should tell a republican, they are looking for an in with the young Latino community. What better way than to help Sanchez get in!! lol
 
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