Old Guys Talking Hoops
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MainMan post=451271 said:
True, but the win total did go up by 70% with the addition of Artest. And even though they were ranked all year that team only won 2 more games in the regular season, but they killed it in the BET and dance. And it wasn't just Barkley, Bootsy led the team in scoring his first year as well.
Not limited to only physical altercations. I doubt we will ever hear of any recruiting or booster (because we don't really have any compared to other schools) irregularities in this program. I'd rather have a relatively clean program than a Bruce Pearl, Sean Miller, etc. Bobby Knight -type led program.bamafan post=459336 said:
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Bobby Knight had a dirty program?mm52 post=459383 said:
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Beast of the East post=459384 said:
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Anthony Mattia post=459385 said:
It isn't. He graduated every 4 year player who went through that program, and I don't believe ever had a recruiting violation or forfeited games. His former players hold him in high regard.
Ridiculous hot tempered behaviors, yes. Cheating, dirty program, no.
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——-Beast of the East post=459387 said:
Right you are Beast ….. I recall hearing a story that a recruit on a recruiting visit asked Bobby Knight what else, in addition to his scholarship he could receive from Indiana and Coach Knight threw him out of his office.
As the old saying goes "there's more then one way to skin a cat". I'm sure some of the feline lovers on the board will take exception to that. Anyhow, CMA does not have to resort to Bruce Pearl or Sean Miller recruiting tactics to attract better talent here. So any comparison is ridiculous. Besides there is zero expectation by most that we will ever once again be a consistent top 25 team. Let's face it, we are the most rapid of SJU fans right here on this board, and most of you have already expressed that you'd be satisfied with close to the same results that CMA had at Arkansas. So there's no real pressure in this job, especially as compared to Zona and Auburn. That's the reality of it. However in order to for us to even be a consistent tourney team, CMA is going to have to figure out how to change with the times. He'll need to be a better salesman, both in retention and in recruiting, and get creative with NILs, etc.. Now, these things may not be his strength, but since he's the front man for our program, he had best learn how to utilize what's available to him as recruiting tools if he hopes to succeed. He's swimming in shark infested waters in the Big East just as he was in the SEC. If he can't figure out how to bring in better talent, excuses like "well at least he's not Archie Miller or Bruce Pearl" or "I'd rather have an honest coach and a mediocre program" just ain't gonna cut it for me. Although I suspect they will for many of you.
I believe that Coach Anderson can have us back as a top 25 National Program again without compromising his integrity. For the first time in ages we have a solid foundation in place. Father Shanley, Mike Cragg, and Coach Anderson are all on the same page. They have a shared vision of how to make our basketball program successful. I have faith in our current leadership and am optimistic about our future.Monte post=459390 said:
For the remainder of this season let's take it a game at a time. Go St Johns, beat Creighton.
Maybe not, but he sure had a dirty mouth:https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/a-great-bobby-knight-moment.55316/Beast of the East post=459384 said:
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It's not his dirty mouth that bothered me, it was how he behaved but more importantly how he treated others. Bobby Knight was an arrogant MFer(that will probably get another of my posts removed) and a bully. He had a God complex and he always rationalized his boorish actions. He was given a far longer leash then he deserved because he won and was worshipped as a God by the Indiana fan base.redken post=459402 said:
The College coach with the biggest potty mouth and temper is not a Basketball coach but the one and only Woody Hayes who was fired after hitting an opponent who ran out of bounds on the Ohio State sideline which led to his immediate dismissal, but he had other documented incidents. In 1971 he stormed onto the field because he disagreed with a call and cursed out the ref. Given a 15-yard penalty, he went total "batshite" and tore up yard markers, threw the penalty flag into the stands, used the first down marker for a javelin. He got a one game suspension and a $1,000 fine (which sort of makes this current 5 game suspension and $40K fine).
Woody was horrible as a person but at OSU apparently winning forgave all indiscretions.
Woody was horrible as a person but at OSU apparently winning forgave all indiscretions.
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What I don't understand is how twisted and irrational this discussion has become.
No one, not Panther, not me, not even Mike Cragg, or Father Shanley would want to retain Coach Anderson if he doesn't win enough here. Even Coach would agree with that.
What we are saying, is that we wouldn't sacrifice integrity and an honest program in order to win enough to satisfy fans.
Two very different things.
Some Athletes used steroids because everyone else was doing it.
Some people cheat and steal in business because everyone else does it.
The ends don't justify the means, even if it the world feels like it's gone to shit.
No one, not Panther, not me, not even Mike Cragg, or Father Shanley would want to retain Coach Anderson if he doesn't win enough here. Even Coach would agree with that.
What we are saying, is that we wouldn't sacrifice integrity and an honest program in order to win enough to satisfy fans.
Two very different things.
Some Athletes used steroids because everyone else was doing it.
Some people cheat and steal in business because everyone else does it.
The ends don't justify the means, even if it the world feels like it's gone to shit.
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That’s pretty much how I feel. I would never say Knight didn’t know his X’s & O’s or wasn’t able to motivate his team but he was never good enough to offset what a complete jerk he was. The guy won but not enough to justify immature and straight up bully behavior. And not bully behavior in a “the kids are just snowflakes” kind of way. He knew that he could intimidate, embarrass & humiliate players, reporters & whoever else without facing repercussions because of his status. That’s not “tough coaching.” That’s textbook bullying which should have been embarrassing for the University. He was brazen enough to choke a kid without thinking it would end his career. Should have been gone way sooner.Monte post=459406 said:
In college basketball we all know it’s not just about winning, how you treat your players & being a positive presence for the university do factor into how coaches are evaluated although we’ll probably never have a 10 page thread here about a coach doing it right.