Obekpa refused to play?

I APOLOGIZE. I believe that he is proud to wear the uniform and any reason he or lavin had was with good reason.We all fell horrible and let us not take it out on those who probably are hurting as much or more than us.
 
Obekpa has improved. Maybe not as much as we'd all like, but his rebounding is better, and he showed flashes of a post game before he got hurt.
Granted it was anything ground-breaking, but there's been noticeable improvement from his frosh season.


Has it been enough improvement/development? I don't know. That's debatable. But I wouldn't say he's the same player, hes better.
 
Obekpa has improved. Maybe not as much as we'd all like, but his rebounding is better, and he showed flashes of a post game before he got hurt.
Granted it was anything ground-breaking, but there's been noticeable improvement from his frosh season.


Has it been enough improvement/development? I don't know. That's debatable. But I wouldn't say he's the same player, hes better.
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Obekpa can catch a pass cleanly and finish without shuffling his feet and double-clutching. That immediately places him ahead of every 4-5 on our roster, and second best finisher around the basket on the team after Jordan.
 
Since no one seems to know exactly what happened, can't one of the moderators put a question mark after this thread's heading, i.e. "Obekpa refused to play?" or perhaps "Did Obekpa refuse to play?" Until we have proof or confirmation that CO did, in fact, refuse to play, the current heading -- which implies that he did -- is unfair to him and an undeserved bad mark on his character.
 
I am going to give Obekpa the benefit of the doubt on this topic.
 
Poll:
Most posters on this thread resemble:
A. The big-haired gals dishing down at the beauty shop?
B. My 14-month-old daughter when you take away her Curious George doll?
C. Mike Nifong?
D. All of the above?
 
Since no one seems to know exactly what happened, can't one of the moderators put a question mark after this thread's heading, i.e. "Obekpa refused to play?" or perhaps "Did Obekpa refuse to play?" Until we have proof or confirmation that CO did, in fact, refuse to play, the current heading -- which implies that he did -- is unfair to him and an undeserved bad mark on his character.
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Are we going to start fact checking threads now? The guy said he heard that from someone. Beast said he heard something similar.

I have a hard time believing it too. I'm fairly certain he would want to play, no matter how pissed he might be. But if someone wants to talk about it we don't need to put a question mark on his topic until he proves it with evidence. That's ridiculous.
 
I heard from a reliable person that there was some sort of argument on the bench between CO and coaching staff. It's possible that person was speculating or had heard something from a less than reliable source, but I don't believe that to be true. CO played about 3 minutes, no? 1.5 each to start each half? It would be confounding as Providence scored inside that we couldn't use him.
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CO should have been back in sooner...his foul trouble hurt us...don't know whether Lavin would have adjusted but we needed to play a bigger lineup (Sampson/Sanchez/Obekpa/Gift)...3 guard lineup was too small...
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Unfortunately, I agreed that he had to sit the entire 1st half with 2 fouls, and then sit with the quick #3. But I'm guessing he should have been back by the 12 minute mark, no? Not having him back lends credence to the idea that something happened.
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He should have been back when they started playing goddamn volleyball on the offensive side of the ball. That was disgusting to watch. He had three fouls..not four...and the game was sinking fast. What's the point of saving a kid's fouls if the game swells to 17 points with ten minutes left. CO changes the game like few others in the country and he is our best rebounder and post defender. Think they would pull that tip drill with him in there? No way.
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Again your hyperbole is amazing. Obekpa has not changed ONE game while at SJU. Name me the team that did not take the ball down low because Obepka was there? The answer is NONE. He can block shots but he intimidates no one. One of the reasons we block so many shots is because the ball gets down low so easily. Our rotations are so bad that even if a shot is blocked the second attempt more times than not is there for the taking. Obekpa is deep into his second year and has still not learned that reaching and playing with his hands does nothing but put him on the bench which is exactly what happened yesterday. HE took himself out of the game not Lavin. In the 2nd half he came out and committed another dumb foul and took a quick uncalled for jumper and hit the pine again. IMO, he would have made no difference had he come back in, it's not like he is a Jayson Williams like rebounder.
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I was watching a clip last week of Geno Auriemma working his girls hard on a drill to move their feet laterally to defend a ball handler. It's a really tough drill to master, but pays dividends in game situations. It was impressive just how tough he was on the kids. The point is well taken. You play defense with your feet and not your hands. Some of the fouls on all of our guys this season have been pretty bad fouls often no committed in shooting situations, and frequently away from the ball.
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
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I guess you mean on TV. I can't imagine many here will be among the hundreds of SJU fans in attendance.
 
Since no one seems to know exactly what happened, can't one of the moderators put a question mark after this thread's heading, i.e. "Obekpa refused to play?" or perhaps "Did Obekpa refuse to play?" Until we have proof or confirmation that CO did, in fact, refuse to play, the current heading -- which implies that he did -- is unfair to him and an undeserved bad mark on his character.
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Are we going to start fact checking threads now? The guy said he heard that from someone. Beast said he heard something similar.

I have a hard time believing it too. I'm fairly certain he would want to play, no matter how pissed he might be. But if someone wants to talk about it we don't need to put a question mark on his topic until he proves it with evidence. That's ridiculous.
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What's ridiculous is having a big, bold "headline" that flat-out smears a player's character. I have no problem with a poster passing on information he's heard or even rumors that may or may not be substantiated -- that's something that makes this board interesting to read -- but having a heading for a thread that makes conjecture/rumor read like fact, that hurts a young man's reputation, and that questions his integrity in the process is something else altogether.
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
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Relatively quickly?

Giving 5 days for posters to speculate on whether Obekpa did or didn't is a freaking eternity.
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
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I guess you mean on TV. I can't imagine many here will be among the hundreds of SJU fans in attendance.
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I was just talking about this with another poster. Obviously I'm disappointed with the season, but I'll go to the NIT game(s). You?

It's still SJU basketball. And as frustrating as this season has been, sometimes things just click for a team. You never know what will be a springboard.
When we played them in the NIT last year, did anyone think Virginia was on the verge of winning the ACC and getting a #1 seed?? So who knows. I'll watch/go. But I understand the posters who are too emotional to go now.
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
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I guess you mean on TV. I can't imagine many here will be among the hundreds of SJU fans in attendance.
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I was just talking about this with another poster. Obviously I'm disappointed with the season, but I'll go to the NIT game(s). You?

It's still SJU basketball. And as frustrating as this season has been, sometimes things just click for a team. You never know what will be a springboard.
When we played them in the NIT last year, did anyone think Virginia was on the verge of winning the ACC and getting a #1 seed?? So who knows. I'll watch/go. But I understand the posters who are too emotional to go now.
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I sense a poll coming :)
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
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I guess you mean on TV. I can't imagine many here will be among the hundreds of SJU fans in attendance.
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I was just talking about this with another poster. Obviously I'm disappointed with the season, but I'll go to the NIT game(s). You?

It's still SJU basketball. And as frustrating as this season has been, sometimes things just click for a team. You never know what will be a springboard.
When we played them in the NIT last year, did anyone think Virginia was on the verge of winning the ACC and getting a #1 seed?? So who knows. I'll watch/go. But I understand the posters who are too emotional to go now.
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I'm kind of doubting that I'll go. Today is a day to decompress, and get this season out of my system. I spend $1200 on season tickets, and probably about another 800 on game tickets for family members and tourney tix, plus usually a RW donation. That doesn't include the LIRR ($16 off peak), and food/drinks at the Garden. Unless we play a game I have interest in, like an Iona, I'm done. I'm not bailing because I'm upset because I'm not very upset - just deflated. I just think the NIT are almost as worthless as pre-conference games vs. bad competition. The games mean little, although I'm guessing that the tourney champion usually does better the next season if they are a younger team.
 
Well, we should know relatively quickly if something is up Obepka if his playing time is slashed during our NIT game.
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I guess you mean on TV. I can't imagine many here will be among the hundreds of SJU fans in attendance.
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I was just talking about this with another poster. Obviously I'm disappointed with the season, but I'll go to the NIT game(s). You?

It's still SJU basketball. And as frustrating as this season has been, sometimes things just click for a team. You never know what will be a springboard.
When we played them in the NIT last year, did anyone think Virginia was on the verge of winning the ACC and getting a #1 seed?? So who knows. I'll watch/go. But I understand the posters who are too emotional to go now.
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I'm kind of doubting that I'll go. Today is a day to decompress, and get this season out of my system. I spend $1200 on season tickets, and probably about another 800 on game tickets for family members and tourney tix, plus usually a RW donation. That doesn't include the LIRR ($16 off peak), and food/drinks at the Garden. Unless we play a game I have interest in, like an Iona, I'm done. I'm not bailing because I'm upset because I'm not very upset - just deflated. I just think the NIT are almost as worthless as pre-conference games vs. bad competition. The games mean little, although I'm guessing that the tourney champion usually does better the next season if they are a younger team.
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It's going to be tough for me personally to accept having to root for this team in the NIT, knowing we have the talent to compete with the best, and knowing that we were right there in position to be doing just that, but came up short.
 
I'm actually looking forward to the NIT now. Yes it hurts that it is not the NCAA's but like Desco said its still SJU basketball! I for one am no where near ready for basketball season to be over with and I'm gonna support this team as long as we are in it. This years field doesn't seem to be a horrible field either seeing how many bubble teams there were. We are also in a position to be a 1 or 2 seed which will give us home games for possibly the whole tournament. These kids worked hard to make this season respectable and even put us in a position to be considered for the dance. They could have easily thrown in the towel at 0-5 and they didn't, they deserve some respect for that
 
I'm saddled with the sad curse of being an SJU fan to the end. So just like I try to find a way to watch them play Wagner in November, I'll find a way to watch them play whoever in the NIT.

Wish it was the big dance, but if the best we get is a little twirl I'll still take it.
 
I'm with Matt B and firestorm.

I always enjoy attending the games, even though it doesn't always seem like it. I'll be there next week.
 
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