NY YANKEES - 2021

SJU85 post=439788 said:
By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it.  Why now?
My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.   
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.   

Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me.   In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart"  only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games.  Either they have some heart, or no heart.  Can't be both.  
 
 
SJUFAN2 post=439798 said:
SJU85 post=439788 said:
By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it.  Why now?
My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.   
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.   

Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me.   In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart"  only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games.  Either they have some heart, or no heart.  Can't be both.  

 

Directed to me or not, I know I have stated it, don't know if anyone else did so I responded.

When I made my statement about not having heart (twice I believe on this thread), that's how I felt with the way they were playing and their effort at that time.  I wrote and meant it because to me that was how they were playing then. Sunday they stepped it up despite adversity, "To actually see that fight after the two dropped balls (I still have not idea what Tyler Wade's, slow down and late pathetic slide on a steal was about) was quite surprising to me and I will gladly take it.".  Nothing to be critical in terms of their effort so I shouldn't applaud it (your words)?  Yeah, I'll say it, they showed heart on Sunday, something I didn't see earlier.  Showing it now, does not change how I felt then and still feel how they played then.  It's news to me that when you are critical of an effort or behavior and that you can't acknowledge or applaud (again your word) when that effort or behavior changes.  Where is that rule?  Now that I think is silly and would be nothing short of petty.  Sometimes you are critical of something in hopes that the behavior will change. 

I am not a casual fan and think I've been around both amateur and professional sports long enough (and not just sitting from "one's couch") to convey how I feel a team how hard a team is playing and when a team looks lifeless and dejected.  But hey, maybe that's just me. 
 
SJU85 post=439802 said:
SJUFAN2 post=439798 said:
SJU85 post=439788 said:
By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it.  Why now?
My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.   
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.   

Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me.   In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart"  only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games.  Either they have some heart, or no heart.  Can't be both.  



 

Directed to me or not, I know I have stated it, don't know if anyone else did so I responded.

When I made my statement about not having heart (twice I believe on this thread), that's how I felt with the way they were playing and their effort at that time.  I wrote and meant it because to me that was how they were playing then. Sunday they stepped it up despite adversity, "To actually see that fight after the two dropped balls (I still have not idea what Tyler Wade's, slow down and late pathetic slide on a steal was about) was quite surprising to me and I will gladly take it.".  Nothing to be critical in terms of their effort so I shouldn't applaud it (your words)?  Yeah, I'll say it, they showed heart on Sunday, something I didn't see earlier.  Showing it now, does not change how I felt then and still feel how they played then.  It's news to me that when you are critical of an effort or behavior and that you can't acknowledge or applaud (again your word) when that effort or behavior changes.  Where is that rule?  Now that I think is silly and would be nothing short of petty.  Sometimes you are critical of something in hopes that the behavior will change. 

I am not a casual fan and think I've been around both amateur and professional sports long enough (and not just sitting from "one's couch") to convey how I feel a team how hard a team is playing and when a team looks lifeless and dejected.  But hey, maybe that's just me. 
Too each their own.   
But from my couch at least, it seems one thing to say an athlete or team lacks focus, or is as you said  is "lifeless or dejected" on any given night/week/month.   It's another thing entirely to say someone, or a team, "has no heart." 
To me that's a character assessment as well as a definitive statement and not a loose comment on what type of night someone is having.  Again, you either have heart (even if it doesn't look that way all the time, or if you don't have as much as someone else), or you have none.    Can't be both.  

 And I know...its a discussion about which phrase is better suited and ultimately, who really cares?    But you asked, so...
 
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SJUFAN2 post=439804 said:
SJU85 post=439802 said:
SJUFAN2 post=439798 said:
SJU85 post=439788 said:
By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it.  Why now?
My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.   
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.   

Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me.   In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart"  only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games.  Either they have some heart, or no heart.  Can't be both.  



 

Directed to me or not, I know I have stated it, don't know if anyone else did so I responded.

When I made my statement about not having heart (twice I believe on this thread), that's how I felt with the way they were playing and their effort at that time.  I wrote and meant it because to me that was how they were playing then. Sunday they stepped it up despite adversity, "To actually see that fight after the two dropped balls (I still have not idea what Tyler Wade's, slow down and late pathetic slide on a steal was about) was quite surprising to me and I will gladly take it.".  Nothing to be critical in terms of their effort so I shouldn't applaud it (your words)?  Yeah, I'll say it, they showed heart on Sunday, something I didn't see earlier.  Showing it now, does not change how I felt then and still feel how they played then.  It's news to me that when you are critical of an effort or behavior and that you can't acknowledge or applaud (again your word) when that effort or behavior changes.  Where is that rule?  Now that I think is silly and would be nothing short of petty.  Sometimes you are critical of something in hopes that the behavior will change. 

I am not a casual fan and think I've been around both amateur and professional sports long enough (and not just sitting from "one's couch") to convey how I feel a team how hard a team is playing and when a team looks lifeless and dejected.  But hey, maybe that's just me. 
Too each their own.   
But from my couch at least, it seems one thing to say an athlete or team lacks focus, or is as you said  is "lifeless or dejected" on any given night/week/month.   It's another thing entirely to say someone, or a team, "has no heart." 
To me that's a character assessment as well as a definitive statement and not a lose comment on what type of night someone is having.  Again, you either have heart (even if it doesn't look that way all the time, or if you don't have as much as someone else), or you have none.    Can't be both.  

 And I know...its a discussion about which phrase is better suited and ultimately, who really cares?    But you asked, so...
 I don't normally make loose comments and it wasn't based on one or two games.   Gleyber looked lost and lacked focus earlier, probably because of his struggles at shortstop.   He looks much better now.   Players can look lost due to a slump.     What I was seeing and commenting on was based more than that.  That is what I observed and if it is a character assessment on the team, so be it (and a lifeless team can be a sign of a team without heart).  Call it what you will (or what I will) but they showed something Sunday, and I am happy they did and with the overall results.  "Either have heart (even if it doesn't look that way all the time, or if you don't have as much as someone else), or you have none" or maybe collectively, you've grown one.  Maybe because of confidence or other environmental, physical or other changes.

Either way, they did what they had to do this weekend.  Let's win another series starting tonight.
 
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Knight post=439743 said:
Is Judge clutch now?
Imagine what they could accomplish if this team had any heart... /media/kunena/emoticons/whistling.png /media/kunena/emoticons/pinch.png /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

I stand by my statement about heart when I've made it because until now when faced with adversity, it wasn't shown much IMHO.  As good as this team looked this weekend (with the exception of the two drops last night and Wade's possibly ill-timed and no slide attempt of a steal) we could just as easily lose the next four out six or all six (or win the same way) because it has been that type of season.
I think they've shown great heart this year.  How many times have they lost a game that we all thought would be impossible to come back from?  They really haven't given up at any point.

What's happened is, with a few exceptions, they haven't hit great for most of the year.  Sometimes, when you're not hitting, it looks like you don't care, or don't have any heart.

Just like a basketball team looks much, much better when shots are dropping.

"Hitting is contagious"
 
Regardless of this year’s final outcome, numerous personnel changes need to be made.
 
game 162/157.
gettys for #99, big getty for big g. sox have lost.
getty gio 7 to 2. 9th inning
a little bit of breathing room. yanks wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin.
 
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Delaware post=439823 said:
Wow, a hot streak at the absolute best time. Another great job by the bullpen. Way to go Orioles. 

Sevy has been great and gives the pen a big boost.  Loaisiga’s return can also be a big boost if he can return to the form he had prior to his IL stint.
 
the 2021 yanks - consistent or consistently inconsistent
have won 90 games with 5 left and as an astute poster once said, they can win 95
las vegas had the yanks over/under at 95 1/2 when season started
45 wins at home, 45 wins on road
the pen - most of first half were lights out
the starters - most of second half were top notch
yanks team era - first in al
winning by one or two runs - yanks at top or near top
yanks are 23 games over 500, runs are plus 49
double plays - kraken, voit, dj, gallo, rizzo
none of those 5 will make an olympic track team. not last march nor this october
boone's pitching strategy - starter goes 4, 5, or 6. pen fills in. one pitcher, one inning
infield gloves - winners of the michael jackson award in april through september
walking wounded - at or near top in al in il player days.
not consistent - #99 and the big g's sticks. co yank mvps.
other than that 4 week period when they were consistently stealing bases, its been same old, same old
so wins is what the "experts" thought, the starters and pen same for the most part, runs hard to come by all season, close wins all season, double plays same all season, boone strategy same all season, infield defense same all season.
agita nearly all season
 
Thoroughly disappointing loss with Cole on the mound tonight. I suspect he's still not 100%. Their overall record with him on the mound has to be better. DJLM looked like he was cemented at 3B. Rizzo, Judge and Stanton nonexistant tonight. And the always expected fielding gaffe reared its ugly head on the play in left field by Gallo. For a guy who is touted as a good defender, he certainly looks uncertain on lots of balls. This loss just makes every game tougher from here on out. Don't like the pitching matchup tomorrow. Hopefully Kluber gets us to the bullpen with a lead.
 
To me, if it's Yankees v Toronto in the Wild Card game, I don't see how you can pitch Cole in it.  His pitching strengths are Toronto's hitting strengths, and despite what we're usually led to believe, good pitching does not always stop good hitting.

Cortes might be the better choice in general right now, but especially against the Jays, because he has a bag of tricks, and no patterns, and great locations with all of his pitches.  That's why the Yankees should be switching the starting assignments of him and Kluber.  Let Cortes pitch tonight, in order to line him up for next Tuesday, especially if it's Boston or Toronto, or if they decide to pitch Cole on short rest Sunday, if they need the game.  Cortes is their most trustworthy arm right now, certainly more so then Kluber, and if we're being honest, probably more so then Cole.
 
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"agita nearly all season" 

Section 10, that pretty much sums it up for me.

"And the always expected fielding gaffe reared its ugly head on the play in left field by Gallo. For a guy who is touted as a good defender, he certainly looks uncertain on lots of balls."

Delaware, I guess that is why Judge is in Center when Boone puts Gallo, Judge and Stanton together in the outfield.

 
 
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Win tonight, you win the series and:
  • Remain in the 1st WC sport by a at least one game over the Red Sox currently holding the second spot.
  • Gain a 1/2 game to go 2 games up on Seattle who is currently in the third slot and is idle tonight.
  • Go 3 up on the Jays which is plus one game when the this series started
 
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