Consistently inconsistent?Knight post=439770 said:This team has been incredibly inconsistent.
Consistently inconsistent?Knight post=439770 said:This team has been incredibly inconsistent.
My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.SJU85 post=439788 said:By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it. Why now?
SJUFAN2 post=439798 said:My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.SJU85 post=439788 said:By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it. Why now?
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.
Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me. In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart" only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games. Either they have some heart, or no heart. Can't be both.
Too each their own.SJU85 post=439802 said:SJUFAN2 post=439798 said:My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.SJU85 post=439788 said:By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it. Why now?
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.
Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me. In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart" only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games. Either they have some heart, or no heart. Can't be both.
Directed to me or not, I know I have stated it, don't know if anyone else did so I responded.
When I made my statement about not having heart (twice I believe on this thread), that's how I felt with the way they were playing and their effort at that time. I wrote and meant it because to me that was how they were playing then. Sunday they stepped it up despite adversity, "To actually see that fight after the two dropped balls (I still have not idea what Tyler Wade's, slow down and late pathetic slide on a steal was about) was quite surprising to me and I will gladly take it.". Nothing to be critical in terms of their effort so I shouldn't applaud it (your words)? Yeah, I'll say it, they showed heart on Sunday, something I didn't see earlier. Showing it now, does not change how I felt then and still feel how they played then. It's news to me that when you are critical of an effort or behavior and that you can't acknowledge or applaud (again your word) when that effort or behavior changes. Where is that rule? Now that I think is silly and would be nothing short of petty. Sometimes you are critical of something in hopes that the behavior will change.
I am not a casual fan and think I've been around both amateur and professional sports long enough (and not just sitting from "one's couch") to convey how I feel a team how hard a team is playing and when a team looks lifeless and dejected. But hey, maybe that's just me.
I don't normally make loose comments and it wasn't based on one or two games. Gleyber looked lost and lacked focus earlier, probably because of his struggles at shortstop. He looks much better now. Players can look lost due to a slump. What I was seeing and commenting on was based more than that. That is what I observed and if it is a character assessment on the team, so be it (and a lifeless team can be a sign of a team without heart). Call it what you will (or what I will) but they showed something Sunday, and I am happy they did and with the overall results. "Either have heart (even if it doesn't look that way all the time, or if you don't have as much as someone else), or you have none" or maybe collectively, you've grown one. Maybe because of confidence or other environmental, physical or other changes.SJUFAN2 post=439804 said:Too each their own.SJU85 post=439802 said:SJUFAN2 post=439798 said:My original comment about heart wasn't directed at you, you just happened to respond to it.SJU85 post=439788 said:By the way, when I made those statements earlier, I don't recall anyone objecting to it. Why now?
It's fair to feel a team has no heart so long as you are consistent in that position, which I'd say you have been.
Candidly I think that's a silly/impossible judgement to make from one's couch, but that's just me. In my mind its worse to argue one day that a team has "no heart" only to later applaud them for fighting back to win big games. Either they have some heart, or no heart. Can't be both.
Directed to me or not, I know I have stated it, don't know if anyone else did so I responded.
When I made my statement about not having heart (twice I believe on this thread), that's how I felt with the way they were playing and their effort at that time. I wrote and meant it because to me that was how they were playing then. Sunday they stepped it up despite adversity, "To actually see that fight after the two dropped balls (I still have not idea what Tyler Wade's, slow down and late pathetic slide on a steal was about) was quite surprising to me and I will gladly take it.". Nothing to be critical in terms of their effort so I shouldn't applaud it (your words)? Yeah, I'll say it, they showed heart on Sunday, something I didn't see earlier. Showing it now, does not change how I felt then and still feel how they played then. It's news to me that when you are critical of an effort or behavior and that you can't acknowledge or applaud (again your word) when that effort or behavior changes. Where is that rule? Now that I think is silly and would be nothing short of petty. Sometimes you are critical of something in hopes that the behavior will change.
I am not a casual fan and think I've been around both amateur and professional sports long enough (and not just sitting from "one's couch") to convey how I feel a team how hard a team is playing and when a team looks lifeless and dejected. But hey, maybe that's just me.
But from my couch at least, it seems one thing to say an athlete or team lacks focus, or is as you said is "lifeless or dejected" on any given night/week/month. It's another thing entirely to say someone, or a team, "has no heart."
To me that's a character assessment as well as a definitive statement and not a lose comment on what type of night someone is having. Again, you either have heart (even if it doesn't look that way all the time, or if you don't have as much as someone else), or you have none. Can't be both.
And I know...its a discussion about which phrase is better suited and ultimately, who really cares? But you asked, so...
SJU61982 post=439756 said:I think they've shown great heart this year. How many times have they lost a game that we all thought would be impossible to come back from? They really haven't given up at any point.SJU85 post=439749 said:SJUFAN2 post=439747 said:Imagine what they could accomplish if this team had any heart... /media/kunena/emoticons/whistling.png /media/kunena/emoticons/pinch.png /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.pngKnight post=439743 said:Is Judge clutch now?
I stand by my statement about heart when I've made it because until now when faced with adversity, it wasn't shown much IMHO. As good as this team looked this weekend (with the exception of the two drops last night and Wade's possibly ill-timed and no slide attempt of a steal) we could just as easily lose the next four out six or all six (or win the same way) because it has been that type of season.
What's happened is, with a few exceptions, they haven't hit great for most of the year. Sometimes, when you're not hitting, it looks like you don't care, or don't have any heart.
Just like a basketball team looks much, much better when shots are dropping.
Delaware post=439823 said:Wow, a hot streak at the absolute best time. Another great job by the bullpen. Way to go Orioles.