NY YANKEES - 2021

SJU61982 post=437090 said:
We've seen people wave their no-trade clauses in the past, in order to try and win a world series.  And like I said, if he won't do that, just release him.  It would be money well spent, and like I said elsewhere, he's not the only one.
We acquired him 3.5 years ago because he wouldn't waive his no trade to go to St Louis or San Francisco despite them being contending teams (in general) and both wanting him more than we did.  He's from LA.  You MIGHT be able to get him to waive his NT clause to go to the Dodgers, Angles or Padres.  I say "might" because he wouldn't go to a team in Northern California.    See a spot for him on any of those squads?

As for cutting him, that's just the dumbest thing I've seen from a Yankee fan in some time, and its not the clear winner due to a lack of competition.


 
 
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Very longtime Yankee fan who understands you can't win it all every year and thankful for a team that has been consistently relevant for a long time. Having said that, this team just doesn't show a lot of life; imho think it's time for Boone to go both because of strategic & motivational deficiencies. 
 
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SJUFAN2 post=437109 said:
SJU61982 post=437090 said:
We've seen people wave their no-trade clauses in the past, in order to try and win a world series.  And like I said, if he won't do that, just release him.  It would be money well spent, and like I said elsewhere, he's not the only one.
We acquired him 3.5 years ago because he wouldn't waive his no trade to go to St Louis or San Francisco despite them being contending teams (in general) and both wanting him more than we did.  He's from LA.  You MIGHT be able to get him to waive his NT clause to go to the Dodgers, Angles or Padres.  I say "might" because he wouldn't go to a team in Northern California.    See a spot for him on any of those squads?

As for cutting him, that's just the dumbest thing I've seen from a Yankee fan in some time, and its not the clear winner due to a lack of competition.




 
Then, he needs to just ride the bench, and my guess is, he would get to the point where he is so frustrated, he will ask out eventually, even if it takes a couple of years.  That would still be in our best interests going forward, long term.  And FTR, I actually like Stanton, and other then being injured a lot, don't think he has done anything wrong here. It's just that sometimes, there has to be consequences for the overall poor play of the team, and not just by changing managers and/or GMs (really, the problem is ownership.  They are so obessed with both staying under the luxury tax, but getting as close to it as possible without going over.  That's the chief cause of this mess).  There needs to be some outside the box thinking, which I don't see happening here.
 
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NCJohnnie post=437110 said:
Very longtime Yankee fan who understands you can't win it all every year and thankful for a team that has been consistently relevant for a long time. Having said that, this team just doesn't show a lot of life; imho think it's time for Boone to go both because of strategic & motivational deficiencies. 
But sometimes, you have to wonder if staying relevant has always been a good thing. We made one wild card game from 2013-16, winning 85, 84, 87, and 84 games, respectively.  This year looks like a similar record to those.

We might have been better off totally bottoming out, winning between 60-70 games, and getting a high draft pick.  Remember, if you pick in the top 10, that pick is protected against any free agent you sign, and with all the free agent shortstops out there, it would have been nice.  Instead, we're going to be picking 11-20 (probably closer to 20), which means no playoffs, and we probably won't get to use the pick anyway, when we sign a free agent.  That's not how you accumulate young talent, which is what we all want.
 
How the hell do you play the infield back leading by a run with less than 2 outs? So many things wrong with the leadership of this team. 
 
I understand the frustration with Boone, but Cashman has to shoulder at least share some of the responsibility for this flawed roster.
 
Delaware post=437120 said:
How the hell do you play the infield back leading by a run with less than 2 outs? So many things wrong with the leadership of this team. 
You have to be a Met fan trolling this board.   There's no other reasonable explanation for mosat of the nonsense you post.

Bottom 8th, 2nd and 3rd, no outs.   Tying run at 3rd and go ahead run at 2nd....

Infield back.  Its not even a debate.   The guy on 3rd is irrelevant until you get an out.  The guy on second is the only runner you are concerned about.  He scores, you lose.   Infield in and you give up 2 on a regular ground ball NOT hit at an infielder.   
 
 
SJU61982 post=437114 said:
SJUFAN2 post=437109 said:
SJU61982 post=437090 said:
We've seen people wave their no-trade clauses in the past, in order to try and win a world series.  And like I said, if he won't do that, just release him.  It would be money well spent, and like I said elsewhere, he's not the only one.
We acquired him 3.5 years ago because he wouldn't waive his no trade to go to St Louis or San Francisco despite them being contending teams (in general) and both wanting him more than we did.  He's from LA.  You MIGHT be able to get him to waive his NT clause to go to the Dodgers, Angles or Padres.  I say "might" because he wouldn't go to a team in Northern California.    See a spot for him on any of those squads?

As for cutting him, that's just the dumbest thing I've seen from a Yankee fan in some time, and its not the clear winner due to a lack of competition.





 
Then, he needs to just ride the bench, and my guess is, he would get to the point where he is so frustrated, he will ask out eventually, even if it takes a couple of years.  That would still be in our best interests going forward, long term.  And FTR, I actually like Stanton, and other then being injured a lot, don't think he has done anything wrong here. It's just that sometimes, there has to be consequences for the overall poor play of the team, and not just by changing managers and/or GMs (really, the problem is ownership.  They are so obessed with both staying under the luxury tax, but getting as close to it as possible without going over.  That's the chief cause of this mess).  There needs to be some outside the box thinking, which I don't see happening here.
If you want to say trade guys to shake it up...ok.   That's reasonable.  You can trade guys who aren't part of the solution and get pieces or payroll flexibility back.

But benching a guy who isn't part of the problem (.260, 16hr) just to shake things up is only marginally less misguided than cutting him outright.   What's the message you send to the other guys who are under performing?   Get your shit together or we'll bench Judge also?  /media/kunena/emoticons/pinch.png
 
JohnnyFan post=437125 said:
I understand the frustration with Boone, but Cashman has to shoulder at least share some of the responsibility for this flawed roster.
I think Cashman gets all the blame for roster construction.  

I'm not a Boone fan, but lets be realistic...he's only pushing the buttons the analytics say to push.   Do we really think that they are going to hire a guy to replace him who won't do exactly the same thing?
 
Moose post=437107 said:
SJUFAN2 post=437106 said:
Delaware post=437103 said:
 Time to call it a season.
I think you already did that in April.
 3 times in May
2 times in June and now 2 times in July /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

And Delaware was right each time.
 
Knight post=437147 said:
Moose post=437107 said:
SJUFAN2 post=437106 said:
Delaware post=437103 said:
 Time to call it a season.
I think you already did that in April.
 3 times in May
2 times in June and now 2 times in July /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

And Delaware was right each time.
3.5 games out of the last WC spot and playing better baseball...  might be a little early to "spike the football" on that score...  /media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png
 
 
SJUFAN2 post=437129 said:
Delaware post=437120 said:
How the hell do you play the infield back leading by a run with less than 2 outs? So many things wrong with the leadership of this team. 
You have to be a Met fan trolling this board.   There's no other reasonable explanation for mosat of the nonsense you post.

Bottom 8th, 2nd and 3rd, no outs.   Tying run at 3rd and go ahead run at 2nd....

Infield back.  Its not even a debate.   The guy on 3rd is irrelevant until you get an out.  The guy on second is the only runner you are concerned about.  He scores, you lose.   Infield in and you give up 2 on a regular ground ball NOT hit at an infielder.   

 
Absolutely not.  Been a diehard Yankees fan my whole life. Love any team that beats the Mets, and the Red Sux, while we're at it!

We absolutely disagree on this, so be it.  Amazing how many late inning collapses these relief pitchers have had.  Seems like it's been every one of them experiencing it, unfortunately.
 
Delaware post=437150 said:
SJUFAN2 post=437129 said:
Delaware post=437120 said:
How the hell do you play the infield back leading by a run with less than 2 outs? So many things wrong with the leadership of this team. 
You have to be a Met fan trolling this board.   There's no other reasonable explanation for mosat of the nonsense you post.

Bottom 8th, 2nd and 3rd, no outs.   Tying run at 3rd and go ahead run at 2nd....

Infield back.  Its not even a debate.   The guy on 3rd is irrelevant until you get an out.  The guy on second is the only runner you are concerned about.  He scores, you lose.   Infield in and you give up 2 on a regular ground ball NOT hit at an infielder.   



 
Absolutely not.  Been a diehard Yankees fan my whole life. Love any team that beats the Mets, and the Red Sux, while we're at it!

We absolutely disagree on this, so be it.  Amazing how many late inning collapses these relief pitchers have had.  Seems like it's been every one of them experiencing it, unfortunately.
Do I understand you correctly...your stance is that the only runner that matters in that scenario is the guy on 3rd and the only option is to take the added risk of allowing a hit to put your defense in a position to throw to the plate?
 
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SJUFAN2 post=437148 said:
Knight post=437147 said:
Moose post=437107 said:
SJUFAN2 post=437106 said:
Delaware post=437103 said:
 Time to call it a season.
I think you already did that in April.
 3 times in May
2 times in June and now 2 times in July /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png

And Delaware was right each time.
3.5 games out of the last WC spot and playing better baseball...  might be a little early to "spike the football" on that score...  /media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png


 
And, after this upcoming series with Tampa Bay, they have a mostly soft schedule the rest of the way, especially the following four series, which are:

at Miami
Baltimore
Seattle (4 games)
at Kansas City

With a few exceptions (Detroit on the road being one, though they've been playing better since then), the Yankees have done a good job taking care of the bad teams on their schedule.

Worthy or not, they're probably going to hang around the Wild Card race, at least by accident.
 
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section10 post=437220 said:
The Yankees bolstered their bullpen on Monday, acquiring right-hander [URL]https://www.mlb.com/player/605280[/URL]]Clay Holmes[/url] from the Pirates in exchange for infielders Diego Castillo and Hoy Park.

Would have like to see Park get a shot over Tyler Wade but analytic guys clearly weren't big fans.  Both would have been 40 man issues after the year so a 2 for 1 clears a spot for next year 
 
game 99.
another nail biter.
allen is such a pleasure to watch.
allen has gardy's speed on the bases and in the outfield.
allen also has good base running instincts.
bravo monty. oh vey for chad and jeremy and britton.
stanton has lost his batting mind. 3 k;s and 2 walks.
in the ninth stanton struck out swinging on a ball at least 18 inches outside.
 
Yanks trade Cessa and Justin Wilson to the Reds for PTBNL.

Expectations are that this is a prelude to set up a trade for an OF by moving some salary (maybe 1.75-2m).
 
If Yanks can win one of next two against Rays, they hit a favorable part of schedule to make up ground on Seattle & Oakland for second wild card spot : 3 at Miami, 3 with Orioles at home, 4 against Seattle at home and 3 at Kansas City.  Currently trail Seattle by 1 1/2 and Oakland by 2 1/2.  
 
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