Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[JohnnyFan]

The latest nonsensical "scandal" is that Trump spoke at length to Putin at a state dinner hosted by Merkel.

They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.

The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".

How soon they forget.

I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.

Nothing was forgotten. It was 100% accurate at the time; however, now it no longer fits the narrative.

Their conversation was not political anyway, I though Putin said something about "koshachiy zakhvat"

Yea, and ISIS was the junior varsity even as it spread its talons across the middle east. Funny how it didn't become public knowledge until they had already spread like a rampaging virus.

So you are either creating your own narrative that Russia was impotent when Romney warned of the growing geopolitical threat, making Romney a genius in foreign policy, clairvoyant, or Romney just got lucky by guessing Russia was a threat. If we were talking 20 years later your point may be valid. In either case, Obama looks like an idiot for mocking Romney when Romney was dead on.

It was more likely self actualization. Putin read Obama correctly - a weak leader who had no stomach for conflict with Russia or anyone else. He therefore acted with impunity in Syria as the US stood idly by. Putin did what he wished in the Ukraine, because he knew Obama wouldn't act.

Obama was so far off base in reducing our nuclear arsenal to appease Putin and it was actually Obama who thought you could befriend "Vladimir".

ISIS seized upon the premature US withdrawal from Iraq to overrun that country.

George W Bush said it best when I saw him speak in person last year. Russia and Putin will only yield when you are dealing with them from a position of strength. If they sense weakness, they will have their way with you. Obama was/is weak, so Putin knew there would be zero retaliation for Russia's alliance with Assad, just as he knew he could do whatever he wanted in the Ukraine with no strong measures taken by the US.

If you want to believe that Russia was no threat in 2012 when Romney correctly warned of the growing Russian problem, be my guest.

We are six months removed from the election. Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House. Yet, instead of progress we get incessant whining about Hillary, Obama, the media and dumb liberals.

Conservatives are now completely incapable of debating a single issue without defaulting to Hillary, Obama or the media. You have the votes, shut up and do something.

 

[ErickTheRed]

Hysterical!!!! Guess you suffer from selective amnesia

 

[Spocky Ramone]

The latest nonsensical "scandal" is that Trump spoke at length to Putin at a state dinner hosted by Merkel.

They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.

The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".

How soon they forget.

I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.

Nothing was forgotten. It was 100% accurate at the time; however, now it no longer fits the narrative.

Their conversation was not political anyway, I though Putin said something about "koshachiy zakhvat"

Yea, and ISIS was the junior varsity even as it spread its talons across the middle east. Funny how it didn't become public knowledge until they had already spread like a rampaging virus.

So you are either creating your own narrative that Russia was impotent when Romney warned of the growing geopolitical threat, making Romney a genius in foreign policy, clairvoyant, or Romney just got lucky by guessing Russia was a threat. If we were talking 20 years later your point may be valid. In either case, Obama looks like an idiot for mocking Romney when Romney was dead on.

It was more likely self actualization. Putin read Obama correctly - a weak leader who had no stomach for conflict with Russia or anyone else. He therefore acted with impunity in Syria as the US stood idly by. Putin did what he wished in the Ukraine, because he knew Obama wouldn't act.

Obama was so far off base in reducing our nuclear arsenal to appease Putin and it was actually Obama who thought you could befriend "Vladimir".

ISIS seized upon the premature US withdrawal from Iraq to overrun that country.

George W Bush said it best when I saw him speak in person last year. Russia and Putin will only yield when you are dealing with them from a position of strength. If they sense weakness, they will have their way with you. Obama was/is weak, so Putin knew there would be zero retaliation for Russia's alliance with Assad, just as he knew he could do whatever he wanted in the Ukraine with no strong measures taken by the US.

If you want to believe that Russia was no threat in 2012 when Romney correctly warned of the growing Russian problem, be my guest.

We are six months removed from the election. Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House. Yet, instead of progress we continue to get incessant whining about Hillary, Obama, the media and dumb liberals.

Conservatives are now completely incapable of debating a single issue without defaulting to Hillary, Obama or the media. You have the votes, shut up and do something.

This is an example of a previously existing scenario becoming part of the narrative, thus making it of great importance. It will fall out of favor in 3.5-7.5 years. On the advice of counsel, I will take the over. I wager 8 million quatloos.

 

[beast of the east]

The latest nonsensical "scandal" is that Trump spoke at length to Putin at a state dinner hosted by Merkel.

They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.

The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".

How soon they forget.

I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.

Nothing was forgotten. It was 100% accurate at the time; however, now it no longer fits the narrative.

Their conversation was not political anyway, I though Putin said something about "koshachiy zakhvat"

Yea, and ISIS was the junior varsity even as it spread its talons across the middle east. Funny how it didn't become public knowledge until they had already spread like a rampaging virus.

So you are either creating your own narrative that Russia was impotent when Romney warned of the growing geopolitical threat, making Romney a genius in foreign policy, clairvoyant, or Romney just got lucky by guessing Russia was a threat. If we were talking 20 years later your point may be valid. In either case, Obama looks like an idiot for mocking Romney when Romney was dead on.

It was more likely self actualization. Putin read Obama correctly - a weak leader who had no stomach for conflict with Russia or anyone else. He therefore acted with impunity in Syria as the US stood idly by. Putin did what he wished in the Ukraine, because he knew Obama wouldn't act.

Obama was so far off base in reducing our nuclear arsenal to appease Putin and it was actually Obama who thought you could befriend "Vladimir".

ISIS seized upon the premature US withdrawal from Iraq to overrun that country.

George W Bush said it best when I saw him speak in person last year. Russia and Putin will only yield when you are dealing with them from a position of strength. If they sense weakness, they will have their way with you. Obama was/is weak, so Putin knew there would be zero retaliation for Russia's alliance with Assad, just as he knew he could do whatever he wanted in the Ukraine with no strong measures taken by the US.

If you want to believe that Russia was no threat in 2012 when Romney correctly warned of the growing Russian problem, be my guest.

We are six months removed from the election. Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House. Yet, instead of progress we get incessant whining about Hillary, Obama, the media and dumb liberals.

Conservatives are now completely incapable of debating a single issue without defaulting to Hillary, Obama or the media. You have the votes, shut up and do something.

Coming out of the Obama presidency which even after 8 years was blaming Bush for its failures I find your comment laughabble.

I will agree with this: Conservatives, unlike liberals, have not hijacked their party. By holding fast to conservative values and refusing to reach compromise eith Republicans, they are squandering an opportunity to undo some miserable obama policies such as the ACA. If conservatives and moderate republicans could reach 100% consensus behind closed doors the way dems do, a lot of legislation could result. To your point, though, even ted cruz lnows the value of compromise, but rand paul refuses to budge.

It's unfortunate that our political system is now devoid of civil discourse which could enable elected officials to vote with their conscience and not solely along party lines.

 

[fun]

shut up

A libtard wins another debate.

 

[Class of 72]

The latest nonsensical "scandal" is that Trump spoke at length to Putin at a state dinner hosted by Merkel.

They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.

The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".

How soon they forget.

I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.

Nothing was forgotten. It was 100% accurate at the time; however, now it no longer fits the narrative.

Their conversation was not political anyway, I though Putin said something about "koshachiy zakhvat"

Yea, and ISIS was the junior varsity even as it spread its talons across the middle east. Funny how it didn't become public knowledge until they had already spread like a rampaging virus.

So you are either creating your own narrative that Russia was impotent when Romney warned of the growing geopolitical threat, making Romney a genius in foreign policy, clairvoyant, or Romney just got lucky by guessing Russia was a threat. If we were talking 20 years later your point may be valid. In either case, Obama looks like an idiot for mocking Romney when Romney was dead on.

It was more likely self actualization. Putin read Obama correctly - a weak leader who had no stomach for conflict with Russia or anyone else. He therefore acted with impunity in Syria as the US stood idly by. Putin did what he wished in the Ukraine, because he knew Obama wouldn't act.

Obama was so far off base in reducing our nuclear arsenal to appease Putin and it was actually Obama who thought you could befriend "Vladimir".

ISIS seized upon the premature US withdrawal from Iraq to overrun that country.

George W Bush said it best when I saw him speak in person last year. Russia and Putin will only yield when you are dealing with them from a position of strength. If they sense weakness, they will have their way with you. Obama was/is weak, so Putin knew there would be zero retaliation for Russia's alliance with Assad, just as he knew he could do whatever he wanted in the Ukraine with no strong measures taken by the US.

If you want to believe that Russia was no threat in 2012 when Romney correctly warned of the growing Russian problem, be my guest.

We are six months removed from the election. Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House. Yet, instead of progress we get incessant whining about Hillary, Obama, the media and dumb liberals.

Conservatives are now completely incapable of debating a single issue without defaulting to Hillary, Obama or the media. You have the votes, shut up and do something.

They, and especially Trump, are doing plenty. Please read for a detailed list of accomplishments:

 

[bamafan]

The latest nonsensical "scandal" is that Trump spoke at length to Putin at a state dinner hosted by Merkel.

They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.

The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".

How soon they forget.

I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.

Nothing was forgotten. It was 100% accurate at the time; however, now it no longer fits the narrative.

Their conversation was not political anyway, I though Putin said something about "koshachiy zakhvat"

Yea, and ISIS was the junior varsity even as it spread its talons across the middle east. Funny how it didn't become public knowledge until they had already spread like a rampaging virus.

So you are either creating your own narrative that Russia was impotent when Romney warned of the growing geopolitical threat, making Romney a genius in foreign policy, clairvoyant, or Romney just got lucky by guessing Russia was a threat. If we were talking 20 years later your point may be valid. In either case, Obama looks like an idiot for mocking Romney when Romney was dead on.

It was more likely self actualization. Putin read Obama correctly - a weak leader who had no stomach for conflict with Russia or anyone else. He therefore acted with impunity in Syria as the US stood idly by. Putin did what he wished in the Ukraine, because he knew Obama wouldn't act.

Obama was so far off base in reducing our nuclear arsenal to appease Putin and it was actually Obama who thought you could befriend "Vladimir".

ISIS seized upon the premature US withdrawal from Iraq to overrun that country.

George W Bush said it best when I saw him speak in person last year. Russia and Putin will only yield when you are dealing with them from a position of strength. If they sense weakness, they will have their way with you. Obama was/is weak, so Putin knew there would be zero retaliation for Russia's alliance with Assad, just as he knew he could do whatever he wanted in the Ukraine with no strong measures taken by the US.

If you want to believe that Russia was no threat in 2012 when Romney correctly warned of the growing Russian problem, be my guest.

We are six months removed from the election. Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House. Yet, instead of progress we get incessant whining about Hillary, Obama, the media and dumb liberals.

Conservatives are now completely incapable of debating a single issue without defaulting to Hillary, Obama or the media. You have the votes, shut up and do something.

They, and especially Trump, are doing plenty. Please read for a detailed list of accomplishments:

Color me impressed!

 

[monte]

I get why people dislike Trump, I really do. Although not to the degree that many do. What I don't get is why people so desperately want to see him fail. That is beyond my comprehension. But the older I get, the more stuff I don't get.

 

[monte]

And one other thing: out to dinner tonight with a high school friend of mine who I reconnected with after many years. The guy is musician. He said to me "Mark, you know many musician friends I lost when they found out I was a Republican?". I said "Jim, obviously they weren't real friends to begin with. You're better off without them". A friend of mine's niece plays college basketball for one of the local teams. Not going to mention the school. At dinner a few months back she said to me "I could never let anyone on my team know I'm a republican or I'd be made to be an outcast. They hate Republicans at my school and especially on the team. I have to keep that to myself". Imagine that? A college kid afraid to mention her political affiliation, and right here in NYC, the city of tolerance. And on the campus of a school which is at the forefront of preaching tolerance. These are only two small examples. What a crock of hypocritical bullshit.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

And one other thing: out to dinner tonight with a high school friend of mine who I reconnected with after many years. The guy is musician. He said to me "Mark, you know many musician friends I lost when they found out I was a Republican?". I said "Jim, obviously they weren't real friends to begin with. You're better off without them". A friend of mine's niece plays college basketball for one of the local teams. Not going to mention the school. At dinner a few months back she said to me "I could never let anyone on my team know I'm a republican or I'd be made to be an outcast. They hate Republicans at my school and especially on the team. I have to keep that to myself". Imagine that? A college kid afraid to mention her political affiliation, and right here in NYC, the city of tolerance. And on the campus of a school which is at the forefront of preaching tolerance. These are only two small examples. What a crock of hypocritical bullshit.

There are only 2 possible explanations for this, depending on your viewpoint. Either
A) cognitive dissonance
or
B) you're a H8R

 

[Spocky Ramone]

I get why people dislike Trump, I really do. Although not to the degree that many do. What I don't get is why people so desperately want to see him fail. That is beyond my comprehension. But the older I get, the more stuff I don't get.

People want him to fail because they do not share his vision for the country. It's not different from when people wanted Obama to fail. The difference is that, in the former case, opponents want to use that failure to attack Trump and embarrass him.

Oh, and there's a Viagra joke in there somewhere...

 

[stjohnschris]

And one other thing: out to dinner tonight with a high school friend of mine who I reconnected with after many years. The guy is musician. He said to me "Mark, you know many musician friends I lost when they found out I was a Republican?". I said "Jim, obviously they weren't real friends to begin with. You're better off without them". A friend of mine's niece plays college basketball for one of the local teams. Not going to mention the school. At dinner a few months back she said to me "I could never let anyone on my team know I'm a republican or I'd be made to be an outcast. They hate Republicans at my school and especially on the team. I have to keep that to myself". Imagine that? A college kid afraid to mention her political affiliation, and right here in NYC, the city of tolerance. And on the campus of a school which is at the forefront of preaching tolerance. These are only two small examples. What a crock of hypocritical bullshit.

I've worked in the music biz my entire adult life...15 years as a touring musician, and the last 10 in more of the business side of things. There's nobody in my very large circle in the Northeast who has openly come out and said they support Trump, not during the campaign and not during his time in office. I know a small handful of them are republican, and as far as I know, are still Republicans. They don't believe our president represents their party well, and that's about as far as that discussion goes. They separate, to some extent, their support of their party and their support of the president. I do know some folks in my business in TN and TX who support the current administration, but they don't wear it on their sleeve. In Nashville, the subject is completely taboo (do a quick google search of where country musicians stand on Trump...you'll see a lot of "crickets"). I have many contacts in Nashville, and with the exception of a small handful of country stars, nobody has come out publicly "for" or "against" anything or anyone. My friends in Nashville say the whole thing is too "toxic" to touch, and it would potentially undermine business relations, and alienate fan bases in a fickle industry. New York music and arts business is loud and clear about their opposition. For my part, I'll admit that I had more tolerance in January than I do now (yes, I'm a Dem).

 

[panther2]

I get why people dislike Trump, I really do. Although not to the degree that many do. What I don't get is why people so desperately want to see him fail. That is beyond my comprehension. But the older I get, the more stuff I don't get.

I don't want him to fail, my fear is that he will self destruct and cause this country extreme harm. My hope was that after he was elected, he would surround himself with knowledgeable people and make the economic changes that he promised.

His closest advisors are his family. This is not a family business, it is the United States of America. His cabinet choices have been horrendous, DeVos as Secretary of Education. The Charter schools that she advocated for in Michigan are among the worse in the country with absolutely no oversight. Exxon/Mobil has just been fined millions of dollars for breaking sanctions with Russia while Tillerson was CEO.

Why he is afraid to release his taxes is something I can't understand. You are the President, you should have nothing to hide. The abundance of contradictory statements by those close to him are definitely a cause for concern.

Trump is a walking contradiction, the same week that he spoke about having goods made in America, it was revealed that none of his or his daughter's products are made in this country.

He talks about creating jobs but his properties Mar A Lago and his golf courses are applying for visas for foreigners to work there, hypocrisy at its finest.

Just finished reading an article about how money from the Russian Mafia was used to buy an inordinate number of Trump properties in the 90's when he was undergoing numerous bankruptcy procedures.

So Monte, I do not want Trump to fail because of the negative effect it will have on our country. However, I can see him self destructing because he is the perfect example of the "Peter Principle".

 

[fun]

His closest advisors are his family. This is not a family business, it is the United States of America

Two Adams were presidents. and two Roosevelts. Woodrow Wilson - the first progressive president and not surprisingly a virulent racist - had his wife run the government after he suffered a massive stroke; he spent the last two years of his revolting presidency drooling on himself. JFK's brother was his attorney general. Bill Clinton put his wife in charge of revamping the health care system. She subsequently went on to a career in politics based solely upon the sympathy she engendered when her husband masturbated on the fat girl. Three Bushes have run for president, two were elected. Three Kennedys ran for president, including JFK, a stone junkie, and young Ted, a drunk bloated murderer and creditably accused rapist who 38 years ago this week said "When I returned Mary Jo and the car were gone" after he left a young woman to drown in shallow water to save his presidential ambitions. Any of that family business bother you, or is it just Trump.+

 

[Spocky Ramone]

His closest advisors are his family. This is not a family business, it is the United States of America

Two Adams were presidents. and two Roosevelts. Woodrow Wilson - the first progressive president and not surprisingly a virulent racist - had his wife run the government after he suffered a massive stroke; he spent the last two years of his revolting presidency drooling on himself. JFK's brother was his attorney general. Bill Clinton put his wife in charge of revamping the health care system. She subsequently went on to a career in politics based solely upon the sympathy she engendered when her husband masturbated on the fat girl. Three Bushes have run for president, two were elected. Three Kennedys ran for president, including JFK, a stone junkie, and young Ted, a drunk bloated murderer and creditably accused rapist who 38 years ago this week said "When I returned Mary Jo and the car were gone" after he left a young woman to drown in shallow water to save his presidential ambitions. Any of that family business bother you, or is it just Trump.+

And to think, I was just going to respond with "can anybody spot the cognitive dissonance?"

Fat girl? Bill thought it was a cigar humidor.

 

[fun]

And to think, I was just going to respond with "can anybody spot the cognitive dissonance?"

If the mentally ill knew they were insane they'd be cured.

 

[monte]

And one other thing: out to dinner tonight with a high school friend of mine who I reconnected with after many years. The guy is musician. He said to me "Mark, you know many musician friends I lost when they found out I was a Republican?". I said "Jim, obviously they weren't real friends to begin with. You're better off without them". A friend of mine's niece plays college basketball for one of the local teams. Not going to mention the school. At dinner a few months back she said to me "I could never let anyone on my team know I'm a republican or I'd be made to be an outcast. They hate Republicans at my school and especially on the team. I have to keep that to myself". Imagine that? A college kid afraid to mention her political affiliation, and right here in NYC, the city of tolerance. And on the campus of a school which is at the forefront of preaching tolerance. These are only two small examples. What a crock of hypocritical bullshit.

I've worked in the music biz my entire adult life...15 years as a touring musician, and the last 10 in more of the business side of things. There's nobody in my very large circle in the Northeast who has openly come out and said they support Trump, not during the campaign and not during his time in office. I know a small handful of them are republican, and as far as I know, are still Republicans. They don't believe our president represents their party well, and that's about as far as that discussion goes. They separate, to some extent, their support of their party and their support of the president. I do know some folks in my business in TN and TX who support the current administration, but they don't wear it on their sleeve. In Nashville, the subject is completely taboo (do a quick google search of where country musicians stand on Trump...you'll see a lot of "crickets"). I have many contacts in Nashville, and with the exception of a small handful of country stars, nobody has come out publicly "for" or "against" anything or anyone. My friends in Nashville say the whole thing is too "toxic" to touch, and it would potentially undermine business relations, and alienate fan bases in a fickle industry. New York music and arts business is loud and clear about their opposition. For my part, I'll admit that I had more tolerance in January than I do now (yes, I'm a Dem).

Its easy to be loud and clear about your opposition when you're surrounded by like-minded individuals, and when it doesn't effect your pocket, which is the case for the NYC music and arts business.

 

[monte]

I get why people dislike Trump, I really do. Although not to the degree that many do. What I don't get is why people so desperately want to see him fail. That is beyond my comprehension. But the older I get, the more stuff I don't get.

People want him to fail because they do not share his vision for the country. It's not different from when people wanted Obama to fail. The difference is that, in the former case, opponents want to use that failure to attack Trump and embarrass him.

Oh, and there's a Viagra joke in there somewhere...

I didn't vote for Obama, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was elected and I supported him for a few years until I gradually started to feel that he was the worst President in my lifetime. I still didn't want him to fail, I simply started to really dislike him. In addition to disagreeing with most of his politics, I found him to be a smug, pompous, dismissive asshole. I guess you could say that my feelings for Obama, over time, became similar to how people feel about Trump. Except I wanted Obama to succeed when he was first elected. Most on the left never wanted Trump to succeed. And I sure as hell did not insult, denigrate and/or attack Obama supporters, the way so many democrats do to Trump supporters.

 

[monte]

I get why people dislike Trump, I really do. Although not to the degree that many do. What I don't get is why people so desperately want to see him fail. That is beyond my comprehension. But the older I get, the more stuff I don't get.

I don't want him to fail, my fear is that he will self destruct and cause this country extreme harm. My hope was that after he was elected, he would surround himself with knowledgeable people and make the economic changes that he promised.

His closest advisors are his family. This is not a family business, it is the United States of America. His cabinet choices have been horrendous, DeVos as Secretary of Education. The Charter schools that she advocated for in Michigan are among the worse in the country with absolutely no oversight. Exxon/Mobil has just been fined millions of dollars for breaking sanctions with Russia while Tillerson was CEO.

Why he is afraid to release his taxes is something I can't understand. You are the President, you should have nothing to hide. The abundance of contradictory statements by those close to him are definitely a cause for concern.

Trump is a walking contradiction, the same week that he spoke about having goods made in America, it was revealed that none of his or his daughter's products are made in this country.

He talks about creating jobs but his properties Mar A Lago and his golf courses are applying for visas for foreigners to work there, hypocrisy at its finest.

Just finished reading an article about how money from the Russian Mafia was used to buy an inordinate number of Trump properties in the 90's when he was undergoing numerous bankruptcy procedures.

So Monte, I do not want Trump to fail because of the negative effect it will have on our country. However, I can see him self destructing because he is the perfect example of the "Peter Principle".

You make some valid points. Not saying that I don't have my concerns and doubts as well. But IMO it's way to early to pass judgement. I'll say this for his tax returns: his supporters could care less if he releases them. Which leaves his enemies. Now why in God's name would he release his tax returns and give his enemies anything more to attack him over? Releasing his returns can do absolutely no good, and lots of bad. You telling me that if he releases them and they're totally above board that it's going to change one thing? It won't. So why release them? As for contradictory statements and hypocrisy, you know as well as I do that politicians by nature are full of crap, and hypocrites. The only difference between Trump and career politicians is that career politicians have a lot more practice at it.

 

[rawdognyc]

His closest advisors are his family. This is not a family business, it is the United States of America

Ted, a drunk bloated murderer and creditably accused rapist who 38 years ago this week said "When I returned Mary Jo and the car were gone" after he left a young woman to drown in shallow water to save his presidential ambitions.

I watched a documentary this past week in regards to what transpired in Chappaquiddick...its a joke what this guy got away with.. Not only what he got away with but was able to still have a career in politics. That girl was alive for a few hours in an air pocket in the submerged vehicle.. She suffered a horrible prolonged death because of that piece of shit... But hey, dems and libs only worry about "serious" issues..