Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?
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Pretty sure I could mop the floor with you in the technologically challenged department and I have left many co-workers and secretaries in my wake that could attest to my ineptitude. When I am involved simple internet tasks become monumental. took 5 hours, 3 people plus a credit card concierge to order tickets on line for the boxing card this Saturday at the Nassau Coliseum and a failure to secure a parking pass even with all that help.The biggest impediment? I was involved.I have a flip phone so I definitely didnt help anyone with the internet. I'm the worst tech person on this boardDid you help your buddy Al invent the internet?
I agree, while there is definitely some strange relationship between the Trump camp and Russia, there is no crime here. The Trumps are routinely dishonest and super sleazy, but this is not treason or anything remotely close to the exaggerated democrat sound bites.
It will be interesting if the Senate bill calling for increased Russian sanctions (which passed 98-2) gets through the house. If Trump then uses the veto, we will know there is a sex tape or inappropriate financial arrangement.
Spocky Ramone
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I'll see your luciferian and raise you an agitator:
"Accuse others of what you do" - Karl Marx
I have a flip phone so I definitely didnt help anyone with the internet. I'm the worst tech person on this boardDid you help your buddy Al invent the internet?
You know when you upgrade that flip phone you can download an app to control your thermostat and AC. That might help in the future.
Class of 72
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I love riding Trump and will never get off! Hemmoroids or no hemorrhoids.
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Charles Blow 7/3/17 in New York Times
Every now and then we are going to have to do this: Step back from the daily onslaughts of insanity emanating from Donald Trump’s parasitic presidency and remind ourselves of the obscenity of it all, registering its magnitude in its full, devastating truth.
There is something insidious and corrosive about trying to evaluate the severity of every offense, trying to give each an individual grade on the scale of absurdity. Trump himself is the offense. Everything that springs from him, every person who supports him, every staffer who shields him, every legislator who defends him, is an offense. Every partisan who uses him — against all he or she has ever claimed to champion — to advance a political agenda and, in so doing, places party over country, is an offense.
We must remind ourselves that Trump’s very presence in the White House defiles it and the institution of the presidency. Rather than rising to the honor of the office, Trump has lowered the office with his whiny, fragile, vindictive pettiness.
The presidency has been hijacked.
Last week, when Donald Trump attacked two MSNBC hosts, people were aghast. The condemnation came quickly and from all quarters.
But his words shouldn’t have shocked. His tweet was just another pebble on a mountain of vulgarities. This act of coarseness was in fact an act of continuity. Trump was being Trump: the grossest of the gross, a profanity against propriety.
This latest episode is simply part of a body of work demonstrating the man’s utter contempt for decency. We all know what it will add up to: nothing.
Republicans have bound themselves up with Trump. His fate is their fate. They have surrendered any moral authority to which they once laid claim — rightly or not. If Trump goes down, they all do.
It’s all quite odd, this moral impotence, this cowering before the belligerent, would-be king. A madman and his legislative minions are holding America hostage.
There are no new words to express it; there is no new and novel way to catalog it. It is what it is and has been from day one: The most extraordinary and profound electoral mistake America has made in our lifetimes and possibly ever.
We must say without ceasing, and without growing weary by the redundancy, that what we are witnessing is not normal and cannot go unchallenged. We must reaffirm our commitment to resistance. We must always remember that although individual Americans made the choice to vote affirmatively for him or actively withhold their support from his opponent, those decisions were influenced, in ways we cannot calculate, by Russian interference in our election, designed to privilege Trump.
We must remember that we now have a president exerting power to which he may only have access because a foreign power hostile to our interests wanted him installed. We must remember that he has not only praised that foreign power, he has proven mysteriously averse to condemning it or even acknowledging its meddling.
We must remember that there are multiple investigations ongoing about the degree of that interference in our election — including a criminal investigation — and that those investigations are not constrained to collusion and are far from fake news. These investigations are deadly serious, are about protecting the integrity of our elections and the sovereignty of our country and are about a genuine quest for truth and desire for justice.
Every action by this administration is an effort to push forward the appearance of normality, to squelch scrutiny, to diminish the authority and credibility of the ongoing investigations.
Last week, after a growing list of states publicly refused to hand over sensitive voter information to Trump’s ironic and quixotic election integrity commission, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders blasted the pushback as a “political stunt.”
But in fact the commission itself is the political stunt. The committee is searching for an illegal voting problem that doesn’t exist. Trump simply lied when he said that he would have won the popular vote were it not for millions of illegal votes. And then he established this bogus commission — using taxpayer money — to search for a truth that doesn’t exist, to try to prove right a lie that he should never have told.
This commission is classic Trump projection: There is a real problem with the integrity of our last election because the Russians helped power his win, but rather than deal with that very real attack on this country, he is instead tilting at windmills concerning in-person voter fraud.
Last week, CNN reported:
“The Trump administration has taken no public steps to punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election. Multiple senior administration officials said there are few signs the president is devoting his time or attention to the ongoing election-related cyber threat from Russia.”
Donald Trump is depending on people’s fatigue. He is banking on your becoming overwhelmed by his never-ending antics. He is counting on his capacity to wear down the resistance by sheer force. (what I said)
We must be adamant that that will never come to pass. Trump is an abomination, and a cancer on the country, and none of us can rest until he is no longer holding the reins of power.
Every now and then we are going to have to do this: Step back from the daily onslaughts of insanity emanating from Donald Trump’s parasitic presidency and remind ourselves of the obscenity of it all, registering its magnitude in its full, devastating truth.
There is something insidious and corrosive about trying to evaluate the severity of every offense, trying to give each an individual grade on the scale of absurdity. Trump himself is the offense. Everything that springs from him, every person who supports him, every staffer who shields him, every legislator who defends him, is an offense. Every partisan who uses him — against all he or she has ever claimed to champion — to advance a political agenda and, in so doing, places party over country, is an offense.
We must remind ourselves that Trump’s very presence in the White House defiles it and the institution of the presidency. Rather than rising to the honor of the office, Trump has lowered the office with his whiny, fragile, vindictive pettiness.
The presidency has been hijacked.
Last week, when Donald Trump attacked two MSNBC hosts, people were aghast. The condemnation came quickly and from all quarters.
But his words shouldn’t have shocked. His tweet was just another pebble on a mountain of vulgarities. This act of coarseness was in fact an act of continuity. Trump was being Trump: the grossest of the gross, a profanity against propriety.
This latest episode is simply part of a body of work demonstrating the man’s utter contempt for decency. We all know what it will add up to: nothing.
Republicans have bound themselves up with Trump. His fate is their fate. They have surrendered any moral authority to which they once laid claim — rightly or not. If Trump goes down, they all do.
It’s all quite odd, this moral impotence, this cowering before the belligerent, would-be king. A madman and his legislative minions are holding America hostage.
There are no new words to express it; there is no new and novel way to catalog it. It is what it is and has been from day one: The most extraordinary and profound electoral mistake America has made in our lifetimes and possibly ever.
We must say without ceasing, and without growing weary by the redundancy, that what we are witnessing is not normal and cannot go unchallenged. We must reaffirm our commitment to resistance. We must always remember that although individual Americans made the choice to vote affirmatively for him or actively withhold their support from his opponent, those decisions were influenced, in ways we cannot calculate, by Russian interference in our election, designed to privilege Trump.
We must remember that we now have a president exerting power to which he may only have access because a foreign power hostile to our interests wanted him installed. We must remember that he has not only praised that foreign power, he has proven mysteriously averse to condemning it or even acknowledging its meddling.
We must remember that there are multiple investigations ongoing about the degree of that interference in our election — including a criminal investigation — and that those investigations are not constrained to collusion and are far from fake news. These investigations are deadly serious, are about protecting the integrity of our elections and the sovereignty of our country and are about a genuine quest for truth and desire for justice.
Every action by this administration is an effort to push forward the appearance of normality, to squelch scrutiny, to diminish the authority and credibility of the ongoing investigations.
Last week, after a growing list of states publicly refused to hand over sensitive voter information to Trump’s ironic and quixotic election integrity commission, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders blasted the pushback as a “political stunt.”
But in fact the commission itself is the political stunt. The committee is searching for an illegal voting problem that doesn’t exist. Trump simply lied when he said that he would have won the popular vote were it not for millions of illegal votes. And then he established this bogus commission — using taxpayer money — to search for a truth that doesn’t exist, to try to prove right a lie that he should never have told.
This commission is classic Trump projection: There is a real problem with the integrity of our last election because the Russians helped power his win, but rather than deal with that very real attack on this country, he is instead tilting at windmills concerning in-person voter fraud.
Last week, CNN reported:
“The Trump administration has taken no public steps to punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election. Multiple senior administration officials said there are few signs the president is devoting his time or attention to the ongoing election-related cyber threat from Russia.”
Donald Trump is depending on people’s fatigue. He is banking on your becoming overwhelmed by his never-ending antics. He is counting on his capacity to wear down the resistance by sheer force. (what I said)
We must be adamant that that will never come to pass. Trump is an abomination, and a cancer on the country, and none of us can rest until he is no longer holding the reins of power.
after that debacle yesterday with the heat that's enough of a reason to get a smart phoneI have a flip phone so I definitely didnt help anyone with the internet. I'm the worst tech person on this boardDid you help your buddy Al invent the internet?
You know when you upgrade that flip phone you can download an app to control your thermostat and AC. That might help in the future.
beast of the east
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Now seriously, if liberals want to learn how they lost the heart and soul of reasonable Americans, it's because of articles and sentiments like those expressed by Charles Blow (how appropriate a name)
They can't go very deep into the narrative about Chris Christie without calling him a fat slob, Donald Trump has bad hair, is disgustingly fat, a liar, cheater, evil, pig, whatever. They cannot control their vitriol at losing to Trump, losing not so much due to Trump, but because they put up a hideous, dis-likable, dishonest candidate who thought this was her moment to ascend to the throne.
Their chief attack dogs are shameless, as if no one knows that Elizabeth Warren lied about her ethnicity to take advantage of affirmative action, and has the temerity to call Trump a cheating businessman, literally stole Americans primary residences by buying up tax defaults from those who couldn't pay property taxes, and then evicting them when she seized the titles. Thankfully the loop has been closed by such predatory behaviors, but Warren got wealthy just the same by doing so.
They lost because they sought to widen the tent with illegal latinos, a pro Islam stance at the expense of Israel, support of strengthened economies abroad by outsourcing American jobs and strangling manufacturing and coal with regulations. Since 2012 they sought to nail the LGBT vote with a marriage agenda and even asserted that anyone could use the bathroom of their choice by simply asserting (not in writing mind you) that they identify with the gender of the bathroom they chose. Expansion of government entitlements (food stamps alone exploded under Obama) were simply designed to keep poor people securely in their grasp.
While they sought to permanently and irrevocably tilt all future elections towards Democrats by expanding the tent, they lost a ton of rank and file Democrats by doing nothing to protect their jobs, offending their faith and sensibilities. They even offended many Latinos by dealing with the communist Castro, whose economy was on its knees and whose government may have been in their last days.
Americans, by and large, care about our economy and how it affects them, and their safety and security. Obama at best was a globalist, and at worst was a totally inept globalist. His foreign dealings always had a secretive, underhanded tone - the pallets of cash sent to Iran under the cover of darkness to avoid detection, the hot mic comment assuring Vladimir he could do more to reduce arms after the election, etc. Liberals offend most American's sensibilities - calling cops, even black and hispanic cops racist, and inciting their slaughter in the streets. Obama lectured Americans after each and every terrorist attack, first refusing to call it what it is - Islamic terrorism, but at the same time using each event to lecture Americans that Muslims are good and outstanding people while Christians have done far worse. This wasn't a leader, let along grief counselor. What Americans needed and failed to get from their liberal leader, was reassurance that America is doubling up on their vigilance, to root out and destroy this evil scourge of Islamic terrorism.
They play only to a smaller minority segment of their voting base by reassuring them that American racism is the basis for their failure to achieve the American dream, and not by any failure of their own to get an education, stop having kids out of wedlock, and to work your way out of poverty - like every single other group that comes here and is making it. Inferences of wide scale, covert institutional racism offend the sensibilities of Americans, who understand that affirmative action programs in the workplace and even in college selection say otherwise.
They railed for open borders, saying that Latinos take all the jobs Americans don't want? They paint a picture of farm workers and landscapers poring across the borders to bolster out economy, and ignore the fact that many your black men would love the opportunity to gain skills as vocational workers in construction, as electricians, plumbers, carpenters, stone masons, and a plethora of skilled roles Latino illegals take - very often off the books without paying taxes. Even here on Long Island, where school taxes can cost a homeowner $10,000 or more, even when they have no children in schools, illegal Latinos get a free ride to a public education that is funded at the local level. How do you say unsustainable in Spanish?
They claim they are anti-gun, and ridicule middle Americans for clinging to their guns and bibles. I don't know about you, but I don't feel unsafe driving through rural Texas or Ohio or Missouri on my frequent business trips. I do however, feel very uncomfortable driving through some neighborhoods in Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago, or New Orleans, where illegal guns proliferate and gun violence is random and deadly.
So, yea, I love these articles like the NY Times that attack Trump. While he is busy renegotiating better trade agreements, the Paris accord, and working towards energy independence by natural gas and increased oil production domestically, liberals think this pressure to drive his poll numbers down by this stupid narrative that the Russian government conspired with Trump to take the election, plays very well into Republican futures.
The 60s are long over, and most of those liberals have grown up and come to their senses. The rest it seems, write ridiculous articles for the Times and their followers who snicker and think the author nailed it.
When the multiculturalism or identity politics project fails, and it is failing in the UK and the US because of such projects and their linked policies. Inter race, ethnicity, religious affiliations are worsening not improving. Time for an alternative approach.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40604002
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40604002
beast of the east
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The latest nonsensical "scandal" is that Trump spoke at length to Putin at a state dinner hosted by Merkel.
They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.
The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".
How soon they forget.
I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.
They are suggesting that Trump should get so close to "an enemy", that Putin, with his years of experience will game Trump, that it is inappropriate for a head of state to meet unofficially like that, that it was rude to Merkel, that they spoke only through a Russian interpreter, on and on and on.
The liberal media is ignoring the fact that by letting Putin have his way in Syria while doing nothing with his red line, Russia was elevated from a second rate world power to center stage. Of course Romney warned of Russia being our biggest geopolitical threat, and Obama mocked him by saying "The 70s called. They want their foreign policy back".
How soon they forget.
I'd much rather have an inexperienced politician who has gotten the better of hundreds of not thousands of business deals that engendered relationships around dinner parties and cocktail hours such as these. Would not be surprised at all if Putin respects Trump much more than his weak predecessor.
Spocky Ramone
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Nothing was forgotten. It was 100% accurate at the time; however, now it no longer fits the narrative.
Their conversation was not political anyway, I though Putin said something about "koshachiy zakhvat"
beast of the east
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Yea, and ISIS was the junior varsity even as it spread its talons across the middle east. Funny how it didn't become public knowledge until they had already spread like a rampaging virus.
So you are either creating your own narrative that Russia was impotent when Romney warned of the growing geopolitical threat, making Romney a genius in foreign policy, clairvoyant, or Romney just got lucky by guessing Russia was a threat. If we were talking 20 years later your point may be valid. In either case, Obama looks like an idiot for mocking Romney when Romney was dead on.
It was more likely self actualization. Putin read Obama correctly - a weak leader who had no stomach for conflict with Russia or anyone else. He therefore acted with impunity in Syria as the US stood idly by. Putin did what he wished in the Ukraine, because he knew Obama wouldn't act.
Obama was so far off base in reducing our nuclear arsenal to appease Putin and it was actually Obama who thought you could befriend "Vladimir".
ISIS seized upon the premature US withdrawal from Iraq to overrun that country.
George W Bush said it best when I saw him speak in person last year. Russia and Putin will only yield when you are dealing with them from a position of strength. If they sense weakness, they will have their way with you. Obama was/is weak, so Putin knew there would be zero retaliation for Russia's alliance with Assad, just as he knew he could do whatever he wanted in the Ukraine with no strong measures taken by the US.
If you want to believe that Russia was no threat in 2012 when Romney correctly warned of the growing Russian problem, be my guest.
Spocky Ramone
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I was speaking in terms of the narrative, not actual reality.
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