Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?
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Do you know anything real about any of those people or have you just swallowed hook, line, and sinker the lies the media liars fed you. They are not perfect, far from it, but they are not demons, they just have a different point of view than you. Name calling and lying are fine with you as long as they are coming from your side. Your sophomoric, simplistic, and immature posts are ridiculous. And stop with the white / black nonsense; you come off as so consumed by white guilt you can't think clearly.
Here's the biggest lie that the left continues to perpetuate: That Trump voters are only white, middle aged, Christian men. They couldnt be further from the truth. I personally know countless minorities, females, non-Christians, etc who voted for and who support Trump. Many who confided in me because they were fearful of criticism/reprisals from friends and family. I have seen or heard of children being chastised for their political beliefs. Including my daughter when she was in high school in NYC, and a friend's daughter who is an athlete at NYU. How doesn't that fall under the heading of "bullying"? Oh right, it doesn't because it goes against the left's views, so it is tolerated. F'in ridiculous!
:Johnny Fan, your not hearing me, what was important to me is as follows:
!] Unfunding planed parenthood for abortions even to the extent of tearing the unborn child on the last day for any reason. If you don't consider that murder ,we will never agree .Corrupt Hillary was in full support of murder. Even now the Democrats are more in support of Planned Parenthood than Jobs and condemning the poor sisters with Obama's illegal executive order.
2] The right to bear arms to defend against enemies.
3] Maintaining the balance of powers with conservative judges. Laws were meant to be created by Congress .
The majority of Americans outside of New York agree with me and if the Democrats change their ways maybe more of us would vote that way .But not for corrupt Hillary who would say anything to get elected.
!] Unfunding planed parenthood for abortions even to the extent of tearing the unborn child on the last day for any reason. If you don't consider that murder ,we will never agree .Corrupt Hillary was in full support of murder. Even now the Democrats are more in support of Planned Parenthood than Jobs and condemning the poor sisters with Obama's illegal executive order.
2] The right to bear arms to defend against enemies.
3] Maintaining the balance of powers with conservative judges. Laws were meant to be created by Congress .
The majority of Americans outside of New York agree with me and if the Democrats change their ways maybe more of us would vote that way .But not for corrupt Hillary who would say anything to get elected.
New flash: whether you voted for him or not.. its over and I can't help but pray he's the best President that has ever served whether I like him or not.. now let's get back to some real issues that maybe we can do something about like Mussini actually getting in front of someone before the kids runs to the basket!!!!
Very glad to see Obama will speak out against Trump and support the disrespect shown to Pence under the guise of the 1st Amendment but will not say WORD ONE about the targeting of police officers. BTW, I fully support the right of the cast to act like immature babies, but I don't like it.
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Look, here's one of the biggest and most aggravating lies that the liberal left haters have put out - that Trump is a racist. Not to say that Trump didn't help this along with some gross generalizations, but here's the reality:
First let me pre-empt myself and say that when it comes to Latinos, I've had massive construction projects over the past 15 years where most of the workers were Latino. To a person they were skilled, hardworking, polite, and everything they did was exemplary. I completely understand that legal or not, they are here to make a living and typically to send money back home where their standard of living was considerably below what we would consider the poverty line here in the US. I harbor no animosity.
Trump was correct to indicate that along with the types of people I encountered, which I believe is the vast majority of Latinos, there are criminals also coming across the border - drug dealers, violent offenders, gang members that are terrorizing some of our worst communities and making our streets unsafe. On Long Island, not a week or two goes by without some kid in Brentwood or Hempstead getting mowed down as a result of Latino gang activity, sometimes as gang initiation rites, other times for simply refusing to join a gang. I am on board 100,000% with ridding our country of these violent types, and it has nothing to do with ethnicity. Trump stupidly cast a wider net than necessary, possibly for effect, possibly with loose language, and taken out of context, those comments are just dumb.
Build a wall: In my comments about all these great skilled Latino laborers, I have never had a plumber, electrician, carpenter, HVAC contractor, painter, roofer, etc show up with a single African American worker. Why? Well, why should you when you can hire cheap, off the books, hard working skilled laborers that flood across the borders. I've often thought that if some of these jobs went to African Americans, it would provide a path to solid blue collar careers when a college education isn't the right path. So, while a wall is just symbolic of stopping this flood of workers coming across the border illegally and being permitted to stay here, we should take care of our own first - which includes many men and women mired in poverty, many unemployed, if we are ever going to raise the plight of the poor in our country. There are many solid talented people waiting in line - Toronto has several million educated and talented workers who would love to come here but can't legally, so why should the preference be towards Latinos?
The Muslim issue: Islam is a religion and not a race, and there are over 1 billion Muslims, not I don't think racism applies here. Trump made a bold statement, which at worst was insensitive to Muslims, by offering that we should not accept Muslims into this country until we find a better way to separate the vast majority of peaceful law abiding Muslims from those radicalized Muslims intent on coming here to perpetrate horrific acts of mass violence. The Obama administration, particularly John Kerry, was particularly disingenuous when promising that each and every Syrian refugee would be vetted, when Hillary Clinton was offering that we should admit 150,000 refugees. The FBI says it take 20 agents to vet a single person, so what they offered was an impossibility. Trump did NOT castigate all of Islam, did not call on deporting American Muslims, but did correctly identify the problem of numbers of radicalized Muslims coming here to do harm. Some communities in the US have become isolated Islamic strongholds, and within those communities where assimilation into the US population does not occur (such as in Little Mogadishu, in MN), radicalization has occurred in mainstream mosques. Our current administration has not responded to this threat, and instead of supporting Trump's focus on this, the far left liberal media instead call Trump racist for suggesting closer scrutiny of those wanting to come here.
Racism? Funny, but when racially motivated attacks on Caucasians are committed by blacks, some African American civil rights leaders, support by the far left mainstream media, have said it's impossible for a black person to be racist, and racism can only be whites against blacks in this country. I have not heard Trump utter a single racially insensitive remark to African Americans, yet the liberal left, including Barack and Michelle, called Trump racist for suggesting that unemployment is high in black communities and that blacks aren't doing just fine. All in all a verifiable load of crap. Trump's platform includes focusing on our poorest communities, including those heavily populated by African Americans and Latinos, and creating jobs and success there. Racist? Hardly.
Will the left give Trump a chance to succeed? Of course not. They haven't even licked their wounds before taking to the streets and kicking off the 2020 campaign to dislodge him. No, that's a lie. They took to the streets to try to reverse the results. A republican has only won the popular vote once since 2000 (2004), and if Dems had control of Congress would already be pressing to dismember the electoral college to make sure it never happens again.
Do I like Trump? No. Do I think he is intellectually smarter than even a single one of his predecessors going all the way back to Kennedy? No. But if you stop right there, John F. Kennedy was a fairly unintelligent guy, even if he was charismatic and possessed leadership qualities. So the hope here is that Trump, a guy who was able to bring in public works projects under budget and on time, may actually know how to get stuff done, and will bring in top talent around him to advise him.
Brilliant guy? No. Apt to say inappropriate things at time? Yes. Take away his Twitter account? Well, I'd say yes but it gives him a pipeline to the American public without filters. But without question to me, he will try to do a great job for all Americans, whether I (or you) like him personally or not.
First let me pre-empt myself and say that when it comes to Latinos, I've had massive construction projects over the past 15 years where most of the workers were Latino. To a person they were skilled, hardworking, polite, and everything they did was exemplary. I completely understand that legal or not, they are here to make a living and typically to send money back home where their standard of living was considerably below what we would consider the poverty line here in the US. I harbor no animosity.
Trump was correct to indicate that along with the types of people I encountered, which I believe is the vast majority of Latinos, there are criminals also coming across the border - drug dealers, violent offenders, gang members that are terrorizing some of our worst communities and making our streets unsafe. On Long Island, not a week or two goes by without some kid in Brentwood or Hempstead getting mowed down as a result of Latino gang activity, sometimes as gang initiation rites, other times for simply refusing to join a gang. I am on board 100,000% with ridding our country of these violent types, and it has nothing to do with ethnicity. Trump stupidly cast a wider net than necessary, possibly for effect, possibly with loose language, and taken out of context, those comments are just dumb.
Build a wall: In my comments about all these great skilled Latino laborers, I have never had a plumber, electrician, carpenter, HVAC contractor, painter, roofer, etc show up with a single African American worker. Why? Well, why should you when you can hire cheap, off the books, hard working skilled laborers that flood across the borders. I've often thought that if some of these jobs went to African Americans, it would provide a path to solid blue collar careers when a college education isn't the right path. So, while a wall is just symbolic of stopping this flood of workers coming across the border illegally and being permitted to stay here, we should take care of our own first - which includes many men and women mired in poverty, many unemployed, if we are ever going to raise the plight of the poor in our country. There are many solid talented people waiting in line - Toronto has several million educated and talented workers who would love to come here but can't legally, so why should the preference be towards Latinos?
The Muslim issue: Islam is a religion and not a race, and there are over 1 billion Muslims, not I don't think racism applies here. Trump made a bold statement, which at worst was insensitive to Muslims, by offering that we should not accept Muslims into this country until we find a better way to separate the vast majority of peaceful law abiding Muslims from those radicalized Muslims intent on coming here to perpetrate horrific acts of mass violence. The Obama administration, particularly John Kerry, was particularly disingenuous when promising that each and every Syrian refugee would be vetted, when Hillary Clinton was offering that we should admit 150,000 refugees. The FBI says it take 20 agents to vet a single person, so what they offered was an impossibility. Trump did NOT castigate all of Islam, did not call on deporting American Muslims, but did correctly identify the problem of numbers of radicalized Muslims coming here to do harm. Some communities in the US have become isolated Islamic strongholds, and within those communities where assimilation into the US population does not occur (such as in Little Mogadishu, in MN), radicalization has occurred in mainstream mosques. Our current administration has not responded to this threat, and instead of supporting Trump's focus on this, the far left liberal media instead call Trump racist for suggesting closer scrutiny of those wanting to come here.
Racism? Funny, but when racially motivated attacks on Caucasians are committed by blacks, some African American civil rights leaders, support by the far left mainstream media, have said it's impossible for a black person to be racist, and racism can only be whites against blacks in this country. I have not heard Trump utter a single racially insensitive remark to African Americans, yet the liberal left, including Barack and Michelle, called Trump racist for suggesting that unemployment is high in black communities and that blacks aren't doing just fine. All in all a verifiable load of crap. Trump's platform includes focusing on our poorest communities, including those heavily populated by African Americans and Latinos, and creating jobs and success there. Racist? Hardly.
Will the left give Trump a chance to succeed? Of course not. They haven't even licked their wounds before taking to the streets and kicking off the 2020 campaign to dislodge him. No, that's a lie. They took to the streets to try to reverse the results. A republican has only won the popular vote once since 2000 (2004), and if Dems had control of Congress would already be pressing to dismember the electoral college to make sure it never happens again.
Do I like Trump? No. Do I think he is intellectually smarter than even a single one of his predecessors going all the way back to Kennedy? No. But if you stop right there, John F. Kennedy was a fairly unintelligent guy, even if he was charismatic and possessed leadership qualities. So the hope here is that Trump, a guy who was able to bring in public works projects under budget and on time, may actually know how to get stuff done, and will bring in top talent around him to advise him.
Brilliant guy? No. Apt to say inappropriate things at time? Yes. Take away his Twitter account? Well, I'd say yes but it gives him a pipeline to the American public without filters. But without question to me, he will try to do a great job for all Americans, whether I (or you) like him personally or not.
Agree with most everything you say beast, but do not underestimate his intelligence, in spite of the fact that he oftentimes shoots from the hip and says offensive things. You really think Obama or Hillary or Bernie(I could keep going) have the intelligence and skill sets to build and run a multi-billion dollar business empire? Not to mention figure out how to become the star of a TV show, and then get elected President????? There is much to question about Trump, but his intelligence is not one of those things.
Little Stevie, a pretty liberal guy in his own right, summed it up best:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...dt-hamilton-cast-bullied-mike-pence/94176698/
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Savvy and street smart, which is what you need to succeed in the construction business, but def not academically elite. It doesn't discount your point though.
beast of the east
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UPenn ain't exactly chopped liver.In any event book smarts is one kind of intelligence, but I'll take street smart and savvy any day of the week.
I think of Trump as Fordham for 2 years and a big assist from being a transfer student into junior year with a brother who knew the head of admissions. Most very good students can hop up to Ivy on transfer since few kids apply into a school after freshman year.
UPenn ain't exactly chopped liver
I think of Trump as Fordham for 2 years and a big assist from being a transfer student into junior year with a brother who knew the head of admissions. Most very good students can hop up to Ivy on transfer since few kids apply into a school after freshman year.
He would not be the only Pres who had help, in one form or another, gaining admission to an Ivy
beast of the east
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UPenn ain't exactly chopped liver
I think of Trump as Fordham for 2 years and a big assist from being a transfer student into junior year with a brother who knew the head of admissions. Most very good students can hop up to Ivy on transfer since few kids apply into a school after freshman year.
He would not be the only Pres who had help, in one form or another, gaining admission to an Ivy
Ummm... let's see: Obama, Bush, Kennedy to name a few.
Well, alas, I give up. I am clearly out numbered here and after just 12 hours away from the site there are just too many points to respond to. Here are my final thoughts, before I opt out of the thread.
1. As previously mentioned, YOU may not have been offended by the campaign rhetoric, but millions of legal American citizens were. That is a fact.
2. Trump has decided not to issue a retraction, apology, or even a pledge to be more respectful in his speech. That, too, is a fact.
3. Trump has chosen at least three polarizing figures that will exacerbate the extreme division in our country. You may believe that all liberals are mindless media puppets and are simply overreacting to quality appointments. However, unless one was completely void of any strategic consideration, you would have to know that choosing these individuals would ensure that a major segment would not "give you a chance". He has sent a message that he doesn't care. Now, you might think this is ridiculous, but the fact that millions of people feel this way is not a good thing. Dismissing them as foolish or brainwashed will not spur progress.
4. When I continuously here, "why doesn't everyone just give him a chance?", I am afraid people don't understand the destruction Trump's comments and actions have caused. You're free to your opinion, but given #s 2 and 3 above, don't be surprised when people don't give him a chance.
5. As I have said before, I appreciate being able to have this explosive discussion in a respectful manner. I can tell you are all well-informed and passionate. Logen....you are most convincing when you stick to attacking the issue.
1. As previously mentioned, YOU may not have been offended by the campaign rhetoric, but millions of legal American citizens were. That is a fact.
2. Trump has decided not to issue a retraction, apology, or even a pledge to be more respectful in his speech. That, too, is a fact.
3. Trump has chosen at least three polarizing figures that will exacerbate the extreme division in our country. You may believe that all liberals are mindless media puppets and are simply overreacting to quality appointments. However, unless one was completely void of any strategic consideration, you would have to know that choosing these individuals would ensure that a major segment would not "give you a chance". He has sent a message that he doesn't care. Now, you might think this is ridiculous, but the fact that millions of people feel this way is not a good thing. Dismissing them as foolish or brainwashed will not spur progress.
4. When I continuously here, "why doesn't everyone just give him a chance?", I am afraid people don't understand the destruction Trump's comments and actions have caused. You're free to your opinion, but given #s 2 and 3 above, don't be surprised when people don't give him a chance.
5. As I have said before, I appreciate being able to have this explosive discussion in a respectful manner. I can tell you are all well-informed and passionate. Logen....you are most convincing when you stick to attacking the issue.
beast of the east
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I understand how and why you feel the way you do. We are all on the same side. Good and fair debater you are.
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