Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[beast of the east]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

 

[Las Vegan]

“An orphan quote [unattributed quote in search of a home] sometimes attributed to Georges Clemenceau is:

Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.

The election is over and those of us who persist in proving that we remain among the more aggrieved are shirking our responsibilities to make our country work. "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way".

Great quote, especially considering the number of arrested development cases on display these days. I thought the quote was Churchill's.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

 

[JohnnyFan]

“An orphan quote [unattributed quote in search of a home] sometimes attributed to Georges Clemenceau is:

Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.

The election is over and those of us who persist in proving that we remain among the more aggrieved are shirking our responsibilities to make our country work. "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way".

I would like Muslims, Mexicans, Women, African Americans, the disabled, and the LGBT community to decide when it is time to leave the aggrieved stage. It's nice that a majority of white males are ready to move on, but that doesn't impress me.

 

[bamafan]

“An orphan quote [unattributed quote in search of a home] sometimes attributed to Georges Clemenceau is:

Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.

The election is over and those of us who persist in proving that we remain among the more aggrieved are shirking our responsibilities to make our country work. "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way".

I would like Muslims, Mexicans, Women, African Americans, the disabled, and the LGBT community to decide when it is time to leave the aggrieved stage. It's nice that a majority of white males are ready to move on, but that doesn't impress me.

Well maybe if Muslims stopped being terrorists, Mexicans stopped selling drugs, women stopped menstruating,African Americans stopped killing each other, the disabled got off their asses, and the LGBT community went straight they could join the majority of us white males and move on.

 

[logen]

“An orphan quote [unattributed quote in search of a home] sometimes attributed to Georges Clemenceau is:

Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.

The election is over and those of us who persist in proving that we remain among the more aggrieved are shirking our responsibilities to make our country work. "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way".

I would like Muslims, Mexicans, Women, African Americans, the disabled, and the LGBT community to decide when it is time to leave the aggrieved stage. It's nice that a majority of white males are ready to move on, but that doesn't impress me.

And I would like the aforementioned groups and whoever else feels compelled to take to the streets to protest peacefully and within the confines of the law but as Jagger and Richards said, you can't always get what you want. People have every right to protest but they don't have the right to break the law doing so.

 

[beast of the east]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

I do agree with you. You named a number of initiatives that would indeed help the working class. My fear is that he will cut personal income taxes, deepen corporate tax breaks and call it a day. That would not be enough to meet his promise. Only time will tell.

 

[beast of the east]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

I do agree with you. You named a number of initiatives that would indeed help the working class. My fear is that he will cut personal income taxes, deepen corporate tax breaks and call it a day. That would not be enough to meet his promise. Only time will tell.

This is only my impression, but to me Reagan's greatest accomplishment was restoring confidence in American ideals, give Americans faith that we will come out of the horrible inflationary times, and that spirit helped get us out of that mess. Believe it or not, Hitler did the same thing for Germany's economy simply by instilling confidence in Germans that their economy would improve by their sheer will to improve it BECAUSE they were German. Now of course, the rest of his legacy was worse than horrific (there isn't an adequate word to describe Hitler), but economic upswing is often a result of confidence in an economy and direction, and not necessarily policy driven (although that helps immeasurably also).

I am pretty impressed that Trump is reaching out to Republican Party adversaries and detractors to build bridges. I would expect that once complete, he will do the same with Democrats. IF people give him a chance, this just may work better than many of us expected.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

I do agree with you. You named a number of initiatives that would indeed help the working class. My fear is that he will cut personal income taxes, deepen corporate tax breaks and call it a day. That would not be enough to meet his promise. Only time will tell.

This is only my impression, but to me Reagan's greatest accomplishment was restoring confidence in American ideals, give Americans faith that we will come out of the horrible inflationary times, and that spirit helped get us out of that mess. Believe it or not, Hitler did the same thing for Germany's economy simply by instilling confidence in Germans that their economy would improve by their sheer will to improve it BECAUSE they were German. Now of course, the rest of his legacy was worse than horrific (there isn't an adequate word to describe Hitler), but economic upswing is often a result of confidence in an economy and direction, and not necessarily policy driven (although that helps immeasurably also).

I am pretty impressed that Trump is reaching out to Republican Party adversaries and detractors to build bridges. I would expect that once complete, he will do the same with Democrats. IF people give him a chance, this just may work better than many of us expected.

Beast........while I disagree with a great majority of your views, I appreciate the discussion. For me, I can buy into the consumer confidence and belief in country effect, but only to a minimal degree. More substantially, I consider tangible economic factors.

Regarding people giving Trump a chance, it seems highly unlikely. He does not seem to have any interest in acknowledging and apologizing for his extraordinarily offensive comments. In fact, he is further flaming the fire by appointing Stephen Bannon. People can think whatever they want about this, but the fact is that if he does not do a better job of reaching out to those he offended, he will never be given a chance. It's just a fact.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

I do agree with you. You named a number of initiatives that would indeed help the working class. My fear is that he will cut personal income taxes, deepen corporate tax breaks and call it a day. That would not be enough to meet his promise. Only time will tell.

that's reasonable and I'd flip the F out if did just tax cuts

 

[mjmaherjr]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

I do agree with you. You named a number of initiatives that would indeed help the working class. My fear is that he will cut personal income taxes, deepen corporate tax breaks and call it a day. That would not be enough to meet his promise. Only time will tell.

This is only my impression, but to me Reagan's greatest accomplishment was restoring confidence in American ideals, give Americans faith that we will come out of the horrible inflationary times, and that spirit helped get us out of that mess. Believe it or not, Hitler did the same thing for Germany's economy simply by instilling confidence in Germans that their economy would improve by their sheer will to improve it BECAUSE they were German. Now of course, the rest of his legacy was worse than horrific (there isn't an adequate word to describe Hitler), but economic upswing is often a result of confidence in an economy and direction, and not necessarily policy driven (although that helps immeasurably also).

I am pretty impressed that Trump is reaching out to Republican Party adversaries and detractors to build bridges. I would expect that once complete, he will do the same with Democrats. IF people give him a chance, this just may work better than many of us expected.

Beast........while I disagree with a great majority of your views, I appreciate the discussion. For me, I can buy into the consumer confidence and belief in country effect, but only to a minimal degree. More substantially, I consider tangible economic factors.

Regarding people giving Trump a chance, it seems highly unlikely. He does not seem to have any interest in acknowledging and apologizing for his extraordinarily offensive comments. In fact, he is further flaming the fire by appointing Stephen Bannon. People can think whatever they want about this, but the fact is that if he does not do a better job of reaching out to those he offended, he will never be given a chance. It's just a fact.

I don't think he is going to apologize for much if anything of what he said but I think he is going to pretty much ignore what he said but I think he is going to try and tone it down going forward and surprise people with being reasonable

The fact that he is considering Romney for SOS stunned me with how those 2 went back and forth this year but if he is going to ignore what Romney said about him during the election and still consider him for that spot then to me that's a sign that he is going to be doing a lot of compromising

 

[JohnnyFan]

I fully expect Trump to mess up more than once as he learns on the job, but remember Bill Clinton's first year in office was woefully non-productive also.

I also expect Trump to say the wrong thing on occasion especially before he learns to silence his tongue when the urge is to hit back.

I also expect that many of his platform promises will fall flat and not come close to being enacted.

But then again, I expect him to be beholden to no one, and really try like hell to improve life for the least among us. If he is just a little bit successful, he will have exceeded the accomplishments of many who have held the office over the past 50 years.

I do consider policy that encourages businesses here to stay and hire US citizens first, policies to bring manufacturing back to the US, policies to stop china from manipulating their dollar, jobs programs in inner cities, and many other common sense approaches that could help get the economy back on track

I have doubts that he will be truly focused on this. Unless, of course, you consider implementing a supply-side economics approach (Reaganomics) as trying like hell. It is difficult to find an apolitical economist that will acknowledge this as effective.....or as even a remotely viable strategy.

I do agree with you. You named a number of initiatives that would indeed help the working class. My fear is that he will cut personal income taxes, deepen corporate tax breaks and call it a day. That would not be enough to meet his promise. Only time will tell.

This is only my impression, but to me Reagan's greatest accomplishment was restoring confidence in American ideals, give Americans faith that we will come out of the horrible inflationary times, and that spirit helped get us out of that mess. Believe it or not, Hitler did the same thing for Germany's economy simply by instilling confidence in Germans that their economy would improve by their sheer will to improve it BECAUSE they were German. Now of course, the rest of his legacy was worse than horrific (there isn't an adequate word to describe Hitler), but economic upswing is often a result of confidence in an economy and direction, and not necessarily policy driven (although that helps immeasurably also).

I am pretty impressed that Trump is reaching out to Republican Party adversaries and detractors to build bridges. I would expect that once complete, he will do the same with Democrats. IF people give him a chance, this just may work better than many of us expected.

Beast........while I disagree with a great majority of your views, I appreciate the discussion. For me, I can buy into the consumer confidence and belief in country effect, but only to a minimal degree. More substantially, I consider tangible economic factors.

Regarding people giving Trump a chance, it seems highly unlikely. He does not seem to have any interest in acknowledging and apologizing for his extraordinarily offensive comments. In fact, he is further flaming the fire by appointing Stephen Bannon. People can think whatever they want about this, but the fact is that if he does not do a better job of reaching out to those he offended, he will never be given a chance. It's just a fact.

I don't think he is going to apologize for much if anything of what he said but I think he is going to pretty much ignore what he said but I think he is going to try and tone it down going forward and surprise people with being reasonable

The fact that he is considering Romney for SOS stunned me with how those 2 went back and forth this year but if he is going to ignore what Romney said about him during the election and still consider him for that spot then to me that's a sign that he is going to be doing a lot of compromising

Yes, I too was surprised about him meeting with Romney. The compromising approach may prove to be good for new policy. I sure hope so.

As far as the unapologetic approach, unaccompanied by further inflaming mass demographics with polarizing adviser appointments, that is his prerogative. However, if this is the direction he chooses, there should be no surprise that he is not gaining an open mind from half the country.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Ironically, Trump is asking for an apology from the cast of Hamilton. The guy completely doesn't get it. Does he actually think this will resonate?

Please don't wonder why folks won't give him a chance. He is nealry illiterate when it comes to domestic diplomacy.

 

[ErickTheRed]

Just a quick question, did Obama apologize on any of the comments he made when he jumped to the wrong conclusions in cases like Ferguson? Where his and his administrations rhetoric lead to half of Ferguson being burnt down?

 

[ras]

Trump isn't considering Romney for Secretary of State any more than he was considering Cruz for AG. It's an olive branch and an attempt to unify the party which is good.

 

[redfanO10101ll]

Ironically, Trump is asking for an apology from the cast of Hamilton. The guy completely doesn't get it. Does he actually think this will resonate?

Please don't wonder why folks won't give him a chance. He is nealry illiterate when it comes to domestic diplomacy.

I really want my president to be above tweeting about every time he gets criticized. In the last couple of days he's tweeted to complain about the NY Times, people complaining about the Electoral College,The Trump U case and now a broadway musical that spoke out against him. He needs to be above that for the good of the country. Please let your surrogates or press security defend you.

Also probably not a good look to demand an apology from a cast of minority performers because they politely & peacfully spoke out against a powerful white guy. Although I've gotta say, not a bad move to shift the news story to your VP being booed on a day that you settle a fraud case.

 

[bamafan]

Ironically, Trump is asking for an apology from the cast of Hamilton. The guy completely doesn't get it. Does he actually think this will resonate?

Please don't wonder why folks won't give him a chance. He is nealry illiterate when it comes to domestic diplomacy.

I really want my president to be above tweeting about every time he gets criticized. In the last couple of days he's tweeted to complain about the NY Times, people complaining about the Electoral College,The Trump U case and now a broadway musical that spoke out against him. He needs to be above that for the good of the country. Please let your surrogates or press security defend you.

Also probably not a good look to demand an apology from a cast of minority performers because they politely & peacfully spoke out against a powerful white guy. Although I've gotta say, not a bad move to shift the news story to your VP being booed on a day that you settle a fraud case.

People go to a play to be entertained. Boycott Hamilton!

 

[beast of the east]

Ironically, Trump is asking for an apology from the cast of Hamilton. The guy completely doesn't get it. Does he actually think this will resonate?

Please don't wonder why folks won't give him a chance. He is nealry illiterate when it comes to domestic diplomacy.

I really want my president to be above tweeting about every time he gets criticized. In the last couple of days he's tweeted to complain about the NY Times, people complaining about the Electoral College,The Trump U case and now a broadway musical that spoke out against him. He needs to be above that for the good of the country. Please let your surrogates or press security defend you.

Also probably not a good look to demand an apology from a cast of minority performers because they politely & peacfully spoke out against a powerful white guy. Although I've gotta say, not a bad move to shift the news story to your VP being booed on a day that you settle a fraud case.

People go to a play to be entertained. Boycott Hamilton!

I agree with that sentiment and not because its a partisan statement that was issued at Hamilton. When i go to a concert, play, sporting event, I'm not paying or interested in hearing political messages and certainly not partisan ones. This was not only oartisan but pointed

 

[redfanO10101ll]

Ironically, Trump is asking for an apology from the cast of Hamilton. The guy completely doesn't get it. Does he actually think this will resonate?

Please don't wonder why folks won't give him a chance. He is nealry illiterate when it comes to domestic diplomacy.

I really want my president to be above tweeting about every time he gets criticized. In the last couple of days he's tweeted to complain about the NY Times, people complaining about the Electoral College,The Trump U case and now a broadway musical that spoke out against him. He needs to be above that for the good of the country. Please let your surrogates or press security defend you.

Also probably not a good look to demand an apology from a cast of minority performers because they politely & peacfully spoke out against a powerful white guy. Although I've gotta say, not a bad move to shift the news story to your VP being booed on a day that you settle a fraud case.

People go to a play to be entertained. Boycott Hamilton!

I agree with that sentiment and not because its a partisan statement that was issued at Hamilton. When i go to a concert, play, sporting event, I'm not paying or interested in hearing political messages and certainly not partisan ones. This was not only oartisan but pointed

I have no problem with anyone wanting to boycott Hamilton if you don't like what they did. I love that this is a country where artists (and all of us) can speak out and address concerns with government and we also all have the right to disagree with those artists/corporations/whoever and spend our money elsewhere. While you may disagree with the message the cast read or be annoyed that they did it, I would hope none of us would ever question their right to do so.

My concern wasn't with the audiences reaction or your reaction but with the President-Elect's reaction (and also not Pence's who I've heard did not exit the scene quickly but instead stood in the hallway and listened which I appreciate and find admirable). Anytime the President of our country is demanding an apology for someone expressing their 1st amendment rights I get concerned. Especially when it wasn't inflammatory. It was political and it was partisan, but it certainly wasn't angry or antagonistic. And even if it was, he should have the constitutional knowledge and historical perspective to understand that this is an important part of our country. The leader of our democracy expressing outrage over reading a written statement at the end of a play is unsettling.