Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[logen]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

What I know is that you don't put your head down and moan because someone calls you a name. What happened to consider the source and take it for what it's worth? Name calling, prejudice, prejudging are an ugly part of life but you learn to deal or you let something completely out of your control define you. I don't judge people by what they say but rather what they do. Funny but your last comment says it all; it doesn't matter what one does but you insulted me and that is forever. Appeasement is crap; do yourself a favor, Google Sonnie Johnson. We have raised a generation of wimps, whiners and moaners. Me, I don't give a FF what someone calls me and I feel the same about political correctness. And believe me, while I am not comparing playing basketball to real life, I grew up a small white kid determined to become the best player I could be. For me, that meant going to the black playgrounds in Elizabeth, Linden, Plainfield, NJ. I took a ton of abuse, physical and verbal, just for being white and earned respect because I got up when I got knocked down, because I fought when someone crossed the line, not because I went home crying to Mama.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

What I know is that you don't put your head down and moan because someone calls you a name. What happened to consider the source and take it for what it's worth? Name calling, prejudice, prejudging are an ugly part of life but you learn to deal or you let something completely out of your control define you. I don't judge people by what they say but rather what they do. Funny but your last comment says it all; it doesn't matter what one does but you insulted me and that is forever. Appeasement is crap; do yourself a favor, Google Sonnie Johnson. We have raised a generation of wimps, whiners and moaners. Me, I don't give a FF what someone calls me and I feel the same about political correctness. And believe me, while I am not comparing playing basketball to real life, I grew up a small white kid determined to become the best player I could be. For me, that meant going to the black playgrounds in Elizabeth, Linden, Plainfield, NJ. I took a ton of abuse, physical and verbal, just for being white and earned respect because I got up when I got knocked down, because I fought when someone crossed the line, not because I went home crying to Mama.

I have no chance of changing your mind. By the way, I 100% agree that we are raising a nation of wimps. It's a problem. I agree with telling people to toughen up when receiving unkind comments. However, asking people to essentially "suck it up", when the comments are about race and religion is a whole different story.

You asked whatever happened to "consider the source". Well, now the source is the President of the United States. That is a huge problem. Beyond divisive.

Lastly, it is interesting how those who are of races and religions that Trump never targeted, are quick to tell others to get over it.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

What I know is that you don't put your head down and moan because someone calls you a name. What happened to consider the source and take it for what it's worth? Name calling, prejudice, prejudging are an ugly part of life but you learn to deal or you let something completely out of your control define you. I don't judge people by what they say but rather what they do. Funny but your last comment says it all; it doesn't matter what one does but you insulted me and that is forever. Appeasement is crap; do yourself a favor, Google Sonnie Johnson. We have raised a generation of wimps, whiners and moaners. Me, I don't give a FF what someone calls me and I feel the same about political correctness. And believe me, while I am not comparing playing basketball to real life, I grew up a small white kid determined to become the best player I could be. For me, that meant going to the black playgrounds in Elizabeth, Linden, Plainfield, NJ. I took a ton of abuse, physical and verbal, just for being white and earned respect because I got up when I got knocked down, because I fought when someone crossed the line, not because I went home crying to Mama.

Logen is Bobby Hurley ?

 

[logen]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

What I know is that you don't put your head down and moan because someone calls you a name. What happened to consider the source and take it for what it's worth? Name calling, prejudice, prejudging are an ugly part of life but you learn to deal or you let something completely out of your control define you. I don't judge people by what they say but rather what they do. Funny but your last comment says it all; it doesn't matter what one does but you insulted me and that is forever. Appeasement is crap; do yourself a favor, Google Sonnie Johnson. We have raised a generation of wimps, whiners and moaners. Me, I don't give a FF what someone calls me and I feel the same about political correctness. And believe me, while I am not comparing playing basketball to real life, I grew up a small white kid determined to become the best player I could be. For me, that meant going to the black playgrounds in Elizabeth, Linden, Plainfield, NJ. I took a ton of abuse, physical and verbal, just for being white and earned respect because I got up when I got knocked down, because I fought when someone crossed the line, not because I went home crying to Mama.

I have no chance of changing your mind. By the way, I 100% agree that we are raising a nation of wimps. It's a problem. I agree with telling people to toughen up when receiving unkind comments. However, asking people to essentially "suck it up", when the comments are about race and religion is a whole different story.

You asked whatever happened to "consider the source". Well, now the source is the President of the United States. That is a huge problem. Beyond divisive.

Lastly, it is interesting how those who are of races and religions that Trump never targeted, are quick to tell others to get over it.

My last comment, Trump is a person, nothing more, nothing less. And yes, sucking it up, regardless of subject, is just what you have to do. Many need to just "grow a set". Sorry but that's life, it never has and never will be fair, crying about it does nothing but get you wet.

 

[logen]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

What I know is that you don't put your head down and moan because someone calls you a name. What happened to consider the source and take it for what it's worth? Name calling, prejudice, prejudging are an ugly part of life but you learn to deal or you let something completely out of your control define you. I don't judge people by what they say but rather what they do. Funny but your last comment says it all; it doesn't matter what one does but you insulted me and that is forever. Appeasement is crap; do yourself a favor, Google Sonnie Johnson. We have raised a generation of wimps, whiners and moaners. Me, I don't give a FF what someone calls me and I feel the same about political correctness. And believe me, while I am not comparing playing basketball to real life, I grew up a small white kid determined to become the best player I could be. For me, that meant going to the black playgrounds in Elizabeth, Linden, Plainfield, NJ. I took a ton of abuse, physical and verbal, just for being white and earned respect because I got up when I got knocked down, because I fought when someone crossed the line, not because I went home crying to Mama.

Logen is Bobby Hurley ?

Unfortunately, not even close.

 

[JohnnyFan]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

You know of course that Hilary has her share of these types of comments both public and private. For example you know that she said that she wanted to build the same wall that Trump got vilified for? But for her she can say one thing to one group, then the exact opposite to another and no one in the media calls her out on it. Calling a large segment of the US population deplorable basement dwellers?
My wife is an immigrant by the way. My children are Hispanic. Several of my primary father figures were black men when I lived in a boys' home as a child. I've worked with many immigrants and illegal aliens and I admire these people much more than I admire entitled, self satisfied people that mock our country and the hard working people - deplorable or not, white, black hispanic or otherwise. I know some of their personal stories of sacrifice and hard work just to get to this country that would make most of us blush and then working and sacrificing here to have a very modest life for themselves and their children. These things are important to me. I didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote fore either of them. I guess I took the coward's way out but I'm not giving Trump a pass. But at least be consistent otherwise it is just hypocrisy that serves no good purpose. This is the same America that voted for 8 years of Obama. They want a change but now everyone who doesn't want what you want is a racist? Hitler? That is the language of hate and divisiveness. You can cut and paste dictionary definitions to justify it just like some Bible thumper could cut an paste Bible quotes. Justify away but it is two sides of the same coin.

Thank you, Paul. I appreciate hearing your background and can tell you were thoughtful about your decision to cast no vote. I know Hillary speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She makes robotic decisions based on perceived voter support. I simply cannot make a case for her. However, I can tell you that I was willing to have more of the same government in order to block an openly racist, sexist individual to the office of the President of the United States. Yes, our president elect is a racist. There is more evidence of this than with any other public figure.

A large group of voters decided that a chance for change on the coat tails of a racist was an acceptable price to pay. Not surprisingly, the exact demographics that were not attacked by Trump were most willing to overlooked his racism. White america (I am a white, Irish, Catholic) has sent a very strong and clear message to women and minorities. I am embarrassed by that, and I do not look forward to the extreme division it will cause.

 

[mjmaherjr]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

You know of course that Hilary has her share of these types of comments both public and private. For example you know that she said that she wanted to build the same wall that Trump got vilified for? But for her she can say one thing to one group, then the exact opposite to another and no one in the media calls her out on it. Calling a large segment of the US population deplorable basement dwellers?
My wife is an immigrant by the way. My children are Hispanic. Several of my primary father figures were black men when I lived in a boys' home as a child. I've worked with many immigrants and illegal aliens and I admire these people much more than I admire entitled, self satisfied people that mock our country and the hard working people - deplorable or not, white, black hispanic or otherwise. I know some of their personal stories of sacrifice and hard work just to get to this country that would make most of us blush and then working and sacrificing here to have a very modest life for themselves and their children. These things are important to me. I didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote fore either of them. I guess I took the coward's way out but I'm not giving Trump a pass. But at least be consistent otherwise it is just hypocrisy that serves no good purpose. This is the same America that voted for 8 years of Obama. They want a change but now everyone who doesn't want what you want is a racist? Hitler? That is the language of hate and divisiveness. You can cut and paste dictionary definitions to justify it just like some Bible thumper could cut an paste Bible quotes. Justify away but it is two sides of the same coin.

Thank you, Paul. I appreciate hearing your background and can tell you were thoughtful about your decision to cast no vote. I know Hillary speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She makes robotic decisions based on perceived voter support. I simply cannot make a case for her. However, I can tell you that I was willing to have more of the same government in order to block an openly racist, sexist individual to the office of the President of the United States. Yes, our president elect is a racist. There is more evidence of this than with any other public figure.

A large group of voters decided that a chance for change on the coat tails of a racist was an acceptable price to pay. Not surprisingly, the exact demographics that were not attacked by Trump were most willing to overlooked his racism. White america (I am a white, Irish, Catholic) has sent a very strong and clear message to women and minorities. I am embarrassed by that, and I do not look forward to the extreme division it will cause.

But why did he get something like 29% of the Spanish vote which was more than Romney ? My fiancée definitely didn't vote for him but a lot more Spanish did that I thought would

 

[AlBovino]

More often than not the people calling other people racists turn out to be the real racists. Also the term racist is often improperly used in our overly PC society.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

What I know is that you don't put your head down and moan because someone calls you a name. What happened to consider the source and take it for what it's worth? Name calling, prejudice, prejudging are an ugly part of life but you learn to deal or you let something completely out of your control define you. I don't judge people by what they say but rather what they do. Funny but your last comment says it all; it doesn't matter what one does but you insulted me and that is forever. Appeasement is crap; do yourself a favor, Google Sonnie Johnson. We have raised a generation of wimps, whiners and moaners. Me, I don't give a FF what someone calls me and I feel the same about political correctness. And believe me, while I am not comparing playing basketball to real life, I grew up a small white kid determined to become the best player I could be. For me, that meant going to the black playgrounds in Elizabeth, Linden, Plainfield, NJ. I took a ton of abuse, physical and verbal, just for being white and earned respect because I got up when I got knocked down, because I fought when someone crossed the line, not because I went home crying to Mama.

I have no chance of changing your mind. By the way, I 100% agree that we are raising a nation of wimps. It's a problem. I agree with telling people to toughen up when receiving unkind comments. However, asking people to essentially "suck it up", when the comments are about race and religion is a whole different story.

You asked whatever happened to "consider the source". Well, now the source is the President of the United States. That is a huge problem. Beyond divisive.

Lastly, it is interesting how those who are of races and religions that Trump never targeted, are quick to tell others to get over it.

My last comment, Trump is a person, nothing more, nothing less. And yes, sucking it up, regardless of subject, is just what you have to do. Many need to just "grow a set". Sorry but that's life, it never has and never will be fair, crying about it does nothing but get you wet.

Sorry, but I find this post exceptionally disturbing. Again, I find your thoughts completely appropriate until they are applied to race and religion.

 

[JohnnyFan]

More often than not the people calling other people racists turn out to be the real racists. Also the term racist is often improperly used in our overly PC society.

Convenient rationalization.

 

[JohnnyFan]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

You know of course that Hilary has her share of these types of comments both public and private. For example you know that she said that she wanted to build the same wall that Trump got vilified for? But for her she can say one thing to one group, then the exact opposite to another and no one in the media calls her out on it. Calling a large segment of the US population deplorable basement dwellers?
My wife is an immigrant by the way. My children are Hispanic. Several of my primary father figures were black men when I lived in a boys' home as a child. I've worked with many immigrants and illegal aliens and I admire these people much more than I admire entitled, self satisfied people that mock our country and the hard working people - deplorable or not, white, black hispanic or otherwise. I know some of their personal stories of sacrifice and hard work just to get to this country that would make most of us blush and then working and sacrificing here to have a very modest life for themselves and their children. These things are important to me. I didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote fore either of them. I guess I took the coward's way out but I'm not giving Trump a pass. But at least be consistent otherwise it is just hypocrisy that serves no good purpose. This is the same America that voted for 8 years of Obama. They want a change but now everyone who doesn't want what you want is a racist? Hitler? That is the language of hate and divisiveness. You can cut and paste dictionary definitions to justify it just like some Bible thumper could cut an paste Bible quotes. Justify away but it is two sides of the same coin.

Thank you, Paul. I appreciate hearing your background and can tell you were thoughtful about your decision to cast no vote. I know Hillary speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She makes robotic decisions based on perceived voter support. I simply cannot make a case for her. However, I can tell you that I was willing to have more of the same government in order to block an openly racist, sexist individual to the office of the President of the United States. Yes, our president elect is a racist. There is more evidence of this than with any other public figure.

A large group of voters decided that a chance for change on the coat tails of a racist was an acceptable price to pay. Not surprisingly, the exact demographics that were not attacked by Trump were most willing to overlooked his racism. White america (I am a white, Irish, Catholic) has sent a very strong and clear message to women and minorities. I am embarrassed by that, and I do not look forward to the extreme division it will cause.

But why did he get something like 29% of the Spanish vote which was more than Romney ? My fiancée definitely didn't vote for him but a lot more Spanish did that I thought would

That really is a good point and it is difficult to explain. Regardless, the remaining 71% feel offended, disenfranchised and fear. That is not a good thing.

 

[fuchsia]

More often than not the people calling other people racists turn out to be the real racists. Also the term racist is often improperly used in our overly PC society.

Convenient rationalization.

Another way to look at this issue is to accept that in this culture we are all racists and all obligated to make that part of our selves as benign as possible. It is the nature of human beings to differentiate between self and other (see 60 minutes report on Yale infant behavior laboratory) and the responsibility of parents and all of us to teach children to make judgments on "right and wrong" and "content of character", not easily identified distinctions.

 

[Red.Fans]

I agree that racism is a real thing in this country. I think most of it exists at the level of a sort of subconscious caste system as opposed to the KKK variety. There are even versions within ethnic cultures that are much worse than the average white oblivious guy, that make it a more complicated problem. On the other hand, I believe it is really imprudent to go throwing around words like racist and Hitler as it solves NOTHING and polarizes people that could otherwise be rational or even embarrassed about their own behaviors if they realize that they are prejudiced at some level. Possibly through some rational, non polarizing discussion with other reasonable people. This is made impossible by the cycle of politicians using race as a means to polarize people - like blackmailing companies and other organizations by threats of racist accusations or hiring rioters to protest the President elect.

 

[mjmaherjr]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

You know of course that Hilary has her share of these types of comments both public and private. For example you know that she said that she wanted to build the same wall that Trump got vilified for? But for her she can say one thing to one group, then the exact opposite to another and no one in the media calls her out on it. Calling a large segment of the US population deplorable basement dwellers?
My wife is an immigrant by the way. My children are Hispanic. Several of my primary father figures were black men when I lived in a boys' home as a child. I've worked with many immigrants and illegal aliens and I admire these people much more than I admire entitled, self satisfied people that mock our country and the hard working people - deplorable or not, white, black hispanic or otherwise. I know some of their personal stories of sacrifice and hard work just to get to this country that would make most of us blush and then working and sacrificing here to have a very modest life for themselves and their children. These things are important to me. I didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote fore either of them. I guess I took the coward's way out but I'm not giving Trump a pass. But at least be consistent otherwise it is just hypocrisy that serves no good purpose. This is the same America that voted for 8 years of Obama. They want a change but now everyone who doesn't want what you want is a racist? Hitler? That is the language of hate and divisiveness. You can cut and paste dictionary definitions to justify it just like some Bible thumper could cut an paste Bible quotes. Justify away but it is two sides of the same coin.

Thank you, Paul. I appreciate hearing your background and can tell you were thoughtful about your decision to cast no vote. I know Hillary speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She makes robotic decisions based on perceived voter support. I simply cannot make a case for her. However, I can tell you that I was willing to have more of the same government in order to block an openly racist, sexist individual to the office of the President of the United States. Yes, our president elect is a racist. There is more evidence of this than with any other public figure.

A large group of voters decided that a chance for change on the coat tails of a racist was an acceptable price to pay. Not surprisingly, the exact demographics that were not attacked by Trump were most willing to overlooked his racism. White america (I am a white, Irish, Catholic) has sent a very strong and clear message to women and minorities. I am embarrassed by that, and I do not look forward to the extreme division it will cause.

But why did he get something like 29% of the Spanish vote which was more than Romney ? My fiancée definitely didn't vote for him but a lot more Spanish did that I thought would

That really is a good point and it is difficult to explain. Regardless, the remaining 71% feel offended, disenfranchised and fear. That is not a good thing.

agree that they need to do a much better job expanding the base. I want a wall but the idea of mass deportations is just stupid and idiotic

 

[logen]

Riaz Patel, a gay Pakistani Muslim who I assume is a naturalized American citizen was interviewed by Glenn Beck some time ago. Today, Beck read a piece regarding the election authored by Mr. Patel on his radio show. Mr. Patel was/is a Clinton supporter and seemingly a ridiculously intelligent and open minded person who prior to the election truly searched to understand Trump supporters by going to talk to them face to face. His search did not change his mind regarding Trump or his support of Clinton but his perspective is enlightening and meaningful because he went out and walked the walk in his quest for understanding. His piece can be found on Google; I don't know the legality or even the logistics of copying it here but it is truly worth the read IMO.

 

[JohnnyFan]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

You know of course that Hilary has her share of these types of comments both public and private. For example you know that she said that she wanted to build the same wall that Trump got vilified for? But for her she can say one thing to one group, then the exact opposite to another and no one in the media calls her out on it. Calling a large segment of the US population deplorable basement dwellers?
My wife is an immigrant by the way. My children are Hispanic. Several of my primary father figures were black men when I lived in a boys' home as a child. I've worked with many immigrants and illegal aliens and I admire these people much more than I admire entitled, self satisfied people that mock our country and the hard working people - deplorable or not, white, black hispanic or otherwise. I know some of their personal stories of sacrifice and hard work just to get to this country that would make most of us blush and then working and sacrificing here to have a very modest life for themselves and their children. These things are important to me. I didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote fore either of them. I guess I took the coward's way out but I'm not giving Trump a pass. But at least be consistent otherwise it is just hypocrisy that serves no good purpose. This is the same America that voted for 8 years of Obama. They want a change but now everyone who doesn't want what you want is a racist? Hitler? That is the language of hate and divisiveness. You can cut and paste dictionary definitions to justify it just like some Bible thumper could cut an paste Bible quotes. Justify away but it is two sides of the same coin.

Thank you, Paul. I appreciate hearing your background and can tell you were thoughtful about your decision to cast no vote. I know Hillary speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She makes robotic decisions based on perceived voter support. I simply cannot make a case for her. However, I can tell you that I was willing to have more of the same government in order to block an openly racist, sexist individual to the office of the President of the United States. Yes, our president elect is a racist. There is more evidence of this than with any other public figure.

A large group of voters decided that a chance for change on the coat tails of a racist was an acceptable price to pay. Not surprisingly, the exact demographics that were not attacked by Trump were most willing to overlooked his racism. White america (I am a white, Irish, Catholic) has sent a very strong and clear message to women and minorities. I am embarrassed by that, and I do not look forward to the extreme division it will cause.

But why did he get something like 29% of the Spanish vote which was more than Romney ? My fiancée definitely didn't vote for him but a lot more Spanish did that I thought would

That really is a good point and it is difficult to explain. Regardless, the remaining 71% feel offended, disenfranchised and fear. That is not a good thing.

agree that they need to do a much better job expanding the base. I want a wall but the idea of mass deportations is just stupid and idiotic

I, too, support the idea of a wall. However, I am not sure the cost and logistics make it a wise choice.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I agree that racism is a real thing in this country. I think most of it exists at the level of a sort of subconscious caste system as opposed to the KKK variety. There are even versions within ethnic cultures that are much worse than the average white oblivious guy, that make it a more complicated problem. On the other hand, I believe it is really imprudent to go throwing around words like racist and Hitler as it solves NOTHING and polarizes people that could otherwise be rational or even embarrassed about their own behaviors if they realize that they are prejudiced at some level. Possibly through some rational, non polarizing discussion with other reasonable people. This is made impossible by the cycle of politicians using race as a means to polarize people - like blackmailing companies and other organizations by threats of racist accusations or hiring rioters to protest the President elect.

I am sorry, if you are worried about polarization, I am not sure you understand the impact of America electing someone who has openly attacked many citizens' most sacred personal attributes. This is not a normal election outcome. Whether you like it or not, millions and millions of people are not going to just get over it.

We are beyond polarized now. Ship has sailed.

 

[monte]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

"speech that OFFENDS"?????? These days everyrhing offends the left. See "safe spaces" on college campus's as a case in point. Not saying Trump hasn't said some objectively offensive things, but time for everyone to try and come together, move past that and move forward. Or for those that can't, move out of the country. Because, like it or not, President Trump is here for the next 4 years.

 

[ras]

I think BEAST mentioned this previously. When Trump talked about the Mexican criminals entering this country,I took it as he was referring about the violent Mexicans only and not all Mexicans. Many people, w the help of the media interpreted his statement as being against all Mexicans. Same thing w Arabs. What I heard from Trump is he is against the extremists and wants proper vetting. I think Trumps words were taken a little too literally. He was a womanizer, like many former Presidents, and he appreciates beauty. But his campaign and company has hired plenty of females based on merit. Katrina Pierson is half black. I voted for Trump , but had reservations. Time will tell.

 

[MarkRedman]

I think BEAST mentioned this previously. When Trump talked about the Mexican criminals entering this country,I took it as he was referring about the violent Mexicans only and not all Mexicans. Many people, w the help of the media interpreted his statement as being against all Mexicans. Same thing w Arabs. What I heard from Trump is he is against the extremists and wants proper vetting. I think Trumps words were taken a little too literally. He was a womanizer, like many former Presidents, and he appreciates beauty. But his campaign and company has hired plenty of females based on merit. Katrina Pierson is half black. I voted for Trump , but had reservations. Time will tell.

When he was battling for the nomination during the primary season, Trump talked about deporting every person that was living illegally in our country, all 11 million of them. Just one of the many ridiculous statements that he made in the past few months.

He later softened his stance to say that he would go after illegals that had committed crimes first and then decide what to do with the others. But initially, he clearly stated that he wanted to get rid of EVERYONE who was not here legally.