Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[logen]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

I'll assume you missed Netenyahu's emphatic endorsement of Trump today. Think I'll trust the PM of Israel on this one.

Not the point. We all know Netenyahu's allegiance is to whoever he perceives will provide his country with the most support and protection. He is not at all motivated by our domestic decorum.

 

[beast of the east]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

I'll assume you missed Netenyahu's emphatic endorsement of Trump today. Think I'll trust the PM of Israel on this one.

Not the point. We all know Netenyahu's allegiance is to whoever he perceives will provide his country with the most support and protection. He is not at all motivated by our domestic decorum.

While Truman almost stood alone among major US politicians in advocating the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine (Israel), SOS Marshall correctly warned him that if such a country was created the US must provide military support for the foreseeable future (he may have said 200 years) so that their middle east enemies wouldn't seek to destroy them. Iran has constantly threatened to "blow Israel off the map" and may just do that when they have a nuclear weapon. That kind of hate speech with an intent to put into action is pretty dangerous.

I agree with you that Trump's rhetoric in the campaign was reckless. Was it intentionally reckless as a ploy to get free media attention, or was it simply ignorantly painting with too broad a brush. Would it have been better to say that along with law abiding latin americans illegally crossing the Mexican border were violent criminals? I didn't like the comment but do feel that most reasonable people did not think he was saying that of the 12 million illegal immigrants (liberals refuse to use the term illegal) here in the states, all were violent criminals. I will say though based on recent violent murders in Brentwood and Hempstead by Salvadoran gang members, I would hesitate to drive through either area at night.

The Muslim ban comment was certainly not interpreted as all Muslims are dangerous, but that among unvetted Muslims who visit or immigrate here (legally or by overstaying visas) radical Islamic terrorists are also crossing. Keep in mind that atrocities in France and Germany were committed by radical Islamic terrorists granted sanctuary by those countries. The Boston Marathon bombings were committed by 2 brothers given sanctuary here - one given scholarships to Ringe and Latin (made famous by Patrick Ewing), the other living on the gratuity of the state on welfare. Some of the 9-11 terrorists were here on student visas, and before the events would have been classified as peaceful, loving Muslims here to live the American dream. What most Americans who voted for Trump understood those comments to mean was that he'd be serious about vetting Muslim immigrant for association to terrorist groups.

Hate language is dangerous, and fanning the flames of divisive hate can have devastating consequences. You were offended rightfully by Trump comments. I've been offended by the far left too readily inciting hatred against our police officers, and such rhetoric I believe has directly inspired hatred to the extent of cops being ambushed and murdered even as they were working to protect our most violent communities. So it works both ways.

I'm sure you can cite hate speech causing violence against Latinos or Muslims. I'm aware of some well publicized instances here on LI. Such language divides us all, marginalizes groups, and makes us all less than we should be as humans.

You see, what I find particularly distasteful is that I believe the Democratic party embarked on a strategy to enlarge the tent of Democratic voters by advocating open borders to pander to the latino vote, refusal to call acts of terrorism committed by radical Islamic terrorists what it is, and many other examples. I believe they would sell out America for their own personal political gain - power. Such actions is what Americans ending the Clinton saga were voting against Tuesday, and remarkably they prevailed.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

I'll assume you missed Netenyahu's emphatic endorsement of Trump today. Think I'll trust the PM of Israel on this one.

Not the point. We all know Netenyahu's allegiance is to whoever he perceives will provide his country with the most support and protection. He is not at all motivated by our domestic decorum.

While Truman almost stood alone among major US politicians in advocating the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine (Israel), SOS Marshall correctly warned him that if such a country was created the US must provide military support for the foreseeable future (he may have said 200 years) so that their middle east enemies wouldn't seek to destroy them. Iran has constantly threatened to "blow Israel off the map" and may just do that when they have a nuclear weapon. That kind of hate speech with an intent to put into action is pretty dangerous.

I agree with you that Trump's rhetoric in the campaign was reckless. Was it intentionally reckless as a ploy to get free media attention, or was it simply ignorantly painting with too broad a brush. Would it have been better to say that along with law abiding latin americans illegally crossing the Mexican border were violent criminals? I didn't like the comment but do feel that most reasonable people did not think he was saying that of the 12 million illegal immigrants (liberals refuse to use the term illegal) here in the states, all were violent criminals. I will say though based on recent violent murders in Brentwood and Hempstead by Salvadoran gang members, I would hesitate to drive through either area at night.

The Muslim ban comment was certainly not interpreted as all Muslims are dangerous, but that among unvetted Muslims who visit or immigrate here (legally or by overstaying visas) radical Islamic terrorists are also crossing. Keep in mind that atrocities in France and Germany were committed by radical Islamic terrorists granted sanctuary by those countries. The Boston Marathon bombings were committed by 2 brothers given sanctuary here - one given scholarships to Ringe and Latin (made famous by Patrick Ewing), the other living on the gratuity of the state on welfare. Some of the 9-11 terrorists were here on student visas, and before the events would have been classified as peaceful, loving Muslims here to live the American dream. What most Americans who voted for Trump understood those comments to mean was that he'd be serious about vetting Muslim immigrant for association to terrorist groups.

Hate language is dangerous, and fanning the flames of divisive hate can have devastating consequences. You were offended rightfully by Trump comments. I've been offended by the far left too readily inciting hatred against our police officers, and such rhetoric I believe has directly inspired hatred to the extent of cops being ambushed and murdered even as they were working to protect our most violent communities. So it works both ways.

I'm sure you can cite hate speech causing violence against Latinos or Muslims. I'm aware of some well publicized instances here on LI. Such language divides us all, marginalizes groups, and makes us all less than we should be as humans.

You see, what I find particularly distasteful is that I believe the Democratic party embarked on a strategy to enlarge the tent of Democratic voters by advocating open borders to pander to the latino vote, refusal to call acts of terrorism committed by radical Islamic terrorists what it is, and many other examples. I believe they would sell out America for their own personal political gain - power. Such actions is what Americans ending the Clinton saga were voting against Tuesday, and remarkably they prevailed.

I respect your opinion Beast, we're just different people. I fear and I am embarrassed by this man's racist rhetoric (too many examples to list, we all know the comments). To have such obnoxious disregard for the dignity of entire races, religions, ethnicities or those with disabilities is, indeed, deplorable. I once thought such hate was un-American, but we now know that is not the case.

 

[logen]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

 

[ErickTheRed]

this topic has jumped the shark. People only believe what they want and no tolerance of a point of view in other direction. I know for fact that in my life that has gotten progressively worse from about 2000 on just it's just my way or no way,

 

[Spocky Ramone]

I long for the moment when we can put aside our differences and come together...

Ball rolls out in 46:17!

Kumbaya!

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

 

[bamafan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

Most of those 50 million do not think he is a racist and most of the remaining are willing to accept that as part of the package and the belief it beat the alternative. What you are saying is the equivalent of a husband saying he is fine with his wife's chain smoking just because he remains with her.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

Most of those 50 million do not think he is a racist and most of the remaining are willing to accept that as part of the package and the belief it beat the alternative. What you are saying is the equivalent of a husband saying he is fine with his wife's chain smoking just because he remains with her.

The bottom line is that 50 million people repeatedly heard racist comments (hard to argue that) and felt that it was absolutely fine for the office of President of the United States.

Make no mistake,this election was about racism. Trump offended Mexicans, Muslims, Women, African Americans, LGBT and the disable community. And......white America was fine with it (fwiw....I am a white male). This is unchartered territory. Race and religion are extraordinarily powerful issues.

 

[logen]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

 

[bamafan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

Most of those 50 million do not think he is a racist and most of the remaining are willing to accept that as part of the package and the belief it beat the alternative. What you are saying is the equivalent of a husband saying he is fine with his wife's chain smoking just because he remains with her.

The bottom line is that 50 million people repeatedly heard racist comments (hard to argue that) and felt that it was absolutely fine for the office of President of the United States.

Make no mistake,this election was about racism. Trump offended Mexicans, Muslims, Women, African Americans, LGBT and the disable community. And......white America was fine with it (fwiw....I am a white male). This is unchartered territory. Race and religion are extraordinarily powerful issues.

No, not everyone who voted for Trump is fine with everything he said! For instance he had some very offensive remarks against a nationality that my wife happens to be but I still voted for him but I am not fine with it. So please stop painting everyone with the same broad brush.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

I respect your opinion, but making a conscious decision to ignore your sworn responsibility and leave people depending on you to protect them defenseless to be murdered is not gross incompetence. You have every right to feel what you feel and while I do think Clinton is conniving and evil, I don't know her soul any more than you do. Again, I respect your opinion, I just don't understand giving words more power than deeds.
One final word about racism, what would your thoughts be if Trump makes good on his vow to create an urban "New Deal" to revitalize our cities? Deeds more important than words? Now, if he doesn't follow through, he is no better than Obama, who won two terms aided immensely by the huge black turnout, after which he did the same thing Democrats (and Republicans) have been doing forever for minorities, nothing. We shall see.

I understand your opinion, but just disagree on how Benghazi unfolded. I agree that she blew it, but probably not on exactly how and exactly what her intentions were.

Regarding the revitalization, I think you may be underestimating the impact of being prejudged and insulted based on your race or religion. No building is going to appease.

 

[beast of the east]

To all of you guys: Despite some strong posts (including mine) we have all remained pretty civil towards each other in discussing this stuff. A few years back this topic would have been locked after a few posts, so I want to thank you guys for attempting to keep it civil. If we don't discuss differences, we lose any opportunity to become enlightened or influenced by an opposing view. Most posters have avoided this topic, which is fine. I have gained enhanced respect for many of you who dared to articulate a point of view that may be challenged.

So, thanks.

 

[Red.Fans]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

Most of those 50 million do not think he is a racist and most of the remaining are willing to accept that as part of the package and the belief it beat the alternative. What you are saying is the equivalent of a husband saying he is fine with his wife's chain smoking just because he remains with her.

The bottom line is that 50 million people repeatedly heard racist comments (hard to argue that) and felt that it was absolutely fine for the office of President of the United States.

Make no mistake,this election was about racism. Trump offended Mexicans, Muslims, Women, African Americans, LGBT and the disable community. And......white America was fine with it (fwiw....I am a white male). This is unchartered territory. Race and religion are extraordinarily powerful issues.

No, not everyone who voted for Trump is fine with everything he said! For instance he had some very offensive remarks against a nationality that my wife happens to be but I still voted for him but I am not fine with it. So please stop painting everyone with the same broad brush.

When I say Trump voters were fine with it, I mean it was not a deal breaker for them (you). In the end, you felt the abundance of racist comments were not as bad as Hillary's baggage. I am not attempting to judge. However, race and religion are exceptionally personal and any attacks will illicit fear and strong division. For me, it was a deal breaker. I don't want the President of the United States to be openly racist.

 

[JohnnyFan]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I once thought the rise of another Hitler was impossible. But, yesterday, I witnessed the United States of America elect a president who openly campaigned with hate speech. He singled out specific races, ethnicities and religions. The former Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Clan, as well as one of our most feared foreign leaders (Vladimir Putin) are publicly expressing approval.

Before anyone pounces, I am aware that Donald Trump has not committed the atrocities of Hitler. I am just saying, as long as hate speech is acceptable to half of all americans, perhaps another Hitler is not so impossible.

Words bother you to no end but you would support and vote for a woman who left people to die under her watch because saving them didn't fit her politics?

I don't see Benghazi like you and I also don't like Hilary Clinton. But, absolutey, she was my lesser of two evils. History tells us that hate speech is very dangerous.

So how do you see Benghazi? It seems that words mean much more to you than deeds. I would think that those killed would disagree with your interpretation about what is "very dangerous."

I see Benghazi, and the email scandal for that matter, as gross incompetence. Hillary was an awful candidate, yet, I do not believe Hillary is an evil person.

On the other hand, I believe Donald Trump to be of exceptionally poor character. I think he is a racist and I think 50 million Americans are fine with that.

Most of those 50 million do not think he is a racist and most of the remaining are willing to accept that as part of the package and the belief it beat the alternative. What you are saying is the equivalent of a husband saying he is fine with his wife's chain smoking just because he remains with her.

The bottom line is that 50 million people repeatedly heard racist comments (hard to argue that) and felt that it was absolutely fine for the office of President of the United States.

Make no mistake,this election was about racism. Trump offended Mexicans, Muslims, Women, African Americans, LGBT and the disable community. And......white America was fine with it (fwiw....I am a white male). This is unchartered territory. Race and religion are extraordinarily powerful issues.

No, not everyone who voted for Trump is fine with everything he said! For instance he had some very offensive remarks against a nationality that my wife happens to be but I still voted for him but I am not fine with it. So please stop painting everyone with the same broad brush.

Same thing with me except Nathalie is Peruvian and not mexican but she was offended just the same but I still voted for Trump. People looking to make excuses are saying it's about race. It's not. It's about changing washington. That's why there were reagan democrats crossing over

 

[Red.Fans]

seems to me that calling someone a racist and comparing them to Hitler is hate speech. you are inciting others to hate this person and the people that voted for him. The irony is that far left wing ideologies are direct descendants of the Nazis and Margaret Sanger one of Hilary's heroes and a patron saint of the far left, was a big fan of Adolph Hitler. Partied with him, promoted him in the U.S. and Europe to raise money for him and the Nazis and idolized him especially the nazi ideals of racial purity and eugenics. Hilary wants her to be classified as an American hero.

When I say hate speech, I am operating under the definition below. I disagree that by categorizing Trump's comments that I, too,am practicing hate speech. That's just not accurate.

In end, we will never settle the argument. I just hope that those who marginalize Trump's comments could take a moment and try to imagine if he was talking about your race or your religion. Would you still vote for him? If not, how would you feel if 50 million people did?

Hate speech -speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

You know of course that Hilary has her share of these types of comments both public and private. For example you know that she said that she wanted to build the same wall that Trump got vilified for? But for her she can say one thing to one group, then the exact opposite to another and no one in the media calls her out on it. Calling a large segment of the US population deplorable basement dwellers?
My wife is an immigrant by the way. My children are Hispanic. Several of my primary father figures were black men when I lived in a boys' home as a child. I've worked with many immigrants and illegal aliens and I admire these people much more than I admire entitled, self satisfied people that mock our country and the hard working people - deplorable or not, white, black hispanic or otherwise. I know some of their personal stories of sacrifice and hard work just to get to this country that would make most of us blush and then working and sacrificing here to have a very modest life for themselves and their children. These things are important to me. I didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote fore either of them. I guess I took the coward's way out but I'm not giving Trump a pass. But at least be consistent otherwise it is just hypocrisy that serves no good purpose. This is the same America that voted for 8 years of Obama. They want a change but now everyone who doesn't want what you want is a racist? Hitler? That is the language of hate and divisiveness. You can cut and paste dictionary definitions to justify it just like some Bible thumper could cut an paste Bible quotes. Justify away but it is two sides of the same coin.