Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?
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In fairness Austour hates Santa Claus too
Sorry my jinx didn't work. My only saving grace is that in my last 7 games I play 6 of the bottom 7 teams in the Power Rankings. Yours is the only one of those teams that's any good at all. The other team, appropriate for this thread, is Trump! Making America Hate Again! They're doing very well this year.
Sadly, I think Obama already cornered that market.
Well you and your ilk seem to be full of hate so I would reckon you might be right.
What ilk? What hate? Because I disagree with you? I do hate, I hate the corruption that dominates everything Washington DC touches and which only will become irreversible should Clinton get elected. Notice I said DC, not the Democrats, not the Republicans. Trump is not really a Republican as evidenced by the parties refusal to support him for fear it might signal the beginning of the end to the gravy train. Hate, I hate the idiocy of a president who will foment disorder in the name of race when in 8 years he did NOTHING to help those in poverty. I hate the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, the Paul Ryans, the whole lot of them for being nothing more than egomaniacal thieves, intent on telling others how to live and dividing rather than uniting. I will vote for Trump because with all his flaws, and he has a boatload, his election sends a message that the DC cabal needs to and can be broken up. And because this may be the last chance to do that. So don't come back at me with MSNBC nonsense of "ilk" and "hate". You seem very intelligent, bring something to the table and tell me why I am wrong, why I am not seeing things as they really are. Tell me why you support people I consider the dregs of humanity.
beast of the east
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Well, because like all atheist liberals, he is afraid to take aim at Judaism and Islam even while mocking the faith of Christians.
Agreed; the other thing, which is hit over the head obvious with the liberal movement, without religion, there is no sense of ethics, morals, right or wrong. It is perfectly ok to subvert facts and realities, outfight lie and deceive, because everything is just a means to an end. And you see the evolution of a movement whose complete lack of morality makes Tricky Dick look like Mother Teresa.
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I really don't understand the liberal mindset among intelligent people in this country:
a) Marriage equality is a pretty minor subject, and I seriously doubt anyone is going to prioritize reversing it even if they are against it. There are much bigger fish to fry. In fact, most liberals were against it outwardly until Obama had Joe Biden float a trial balloon prior to his coming out for it. Even then he was gravely concerned about black Christian leaders leaving the tent over this issue until they didn't react as harshly as expected.
b) Abortion - the whole notion of abortion being a women's health issue is preposterous, but it was a nice pivot by the Dems about 10 years ago to make Pro Life advocates appear to be against women. Brilliant stuff, and all the wikileaks are showing just how conspiratorial Democrats are on these subjects. The whole notion of rape, incest, and pregnancy among young teens, and legitimate health concerns for women (ectopic pregnancies, etc). Throw them all in a basket, and most RTLers would gladly carve them out to save the millions of unborn children being slaughtered almost gleefully by those seeking more to protect votes than have any legitimate concerns for women.
c) the economy - food stamps and welfare have soared under Obama, a sign that the poorest among us are struggling mightily. Yet, liberals will gladly keep poor people in poverty in order to expand the Democratic voting base by proposing open borders. I think of it this way - every latino skilled and unskilled laborer, every restaurant worker, every latino farm worker could be someone currently unemployed and a lifelong welfare recipient instead of those flying under the radar in off the books jobs paying lower wages than an American would be paid. If you are over 50 and out of work, you are likely still unemployed even after adjusting your resume to accpet a salary far lower than the job your were terminated from. If you are a recent college grad, chances are you are underemployed in a lower paying job than your degree would indicate.
d) Healthcare - I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. Government messing with 17% of our economy as baby boomer are sliding into high demands for healthcare was completely idiotic. Obama knows even less about healthcare than he knows about living in a black community, y'all dig? Now it is collapsing and TV commentators speak of 25% annual increases that could cost families (and small businesses in NY at least) over $30,000 per year per family to insure, a 6500 increase in what would otherwise be discretionary income if that even existed for the middle class. Of course, asshole politicians are exempt from Obamacare, as are wealthy TV announcers. The next group to consider healthcare insurance optional will be middle class families who can't afford premiums.
e) Racial divisiveness - Don't tell me for a second that churning the racial divide isn't a liberal strategy. In multiple incidents, without knowing the facts, Obama immediately made local incidents national headlines for coming out against a Harvard policeman who asked a black Harvard professor for identification when he was having trouble entering his own home. He then uttered the famous, "If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon" without knowing that the picture of a sweet 12 year old was really a 6 foot muscular 18 year old with grills, a suspension from school, and a drug charge - maybe he did know that. In Ferguson, he sent Eric Holder, not to calm the crowds, but to tell them that he too was a victim of racial prejudice, without knowing that the "hands up, don't shoot" motto assigned to the gentle giant was just videotaped robbing a convenience store and threatening the asian store owner, and had attacked a police officer who told him to walk on the sidewalk. Stoking the anti police bias, despite the fact that many police forces (including NYC) are more than 50% minority based, and that many of the officers in conflicts with sometimes armed young black men were black themselves. It's alla game to get black people mad enough to come out and vote for an old rich white lady.
f) If you can't beat em, cheat em. Wikileaks has proven what many of us long suspected - that with Hillary Clinton,EVERYTHING is for sale. Sell 10% of our uranium to the Russians through a private entity that donated to the Clinton foundation? No problem. Will she speak in Morocco? Yes, if the king of morocco donates $12 million to the Clinton Foundation. Fearful of losing the Democratic primary to a 74 year old socialist who they feared couldn't win the general election? Let the DNC cheat for you. On and on and on and on. Anyone who would vote for this cheating, lying scoundrel of a person, is completely out of their minds. What does Hillary have to gain by being President? Everything it seems.
g) Military weakness - Is there any doubt that on a geopolitical basis, the US is significantly disrespected in international communities? Are liberals aware that after promising a 60 day exit from Iraq, it took Obama almost the exact same timeframe estimated by Bush to secure Iraq and transfer security to Iraqi forces - only Obama secured nothing except the explosion of the Junior varsity ISIS, right under his nose. Now Hillary is saying that all options are available to assist in Syria, only after a year of campaigning that there would be no boots on the ground - yup diplomacy works, especially after your administration mocked Romney for stating that Russia was our biggest geopolitical enemy. Doesn't matter, you see for liberals the truth is only an asset when it helps you, and until then you lie through your teeth.
So then really in the things that matter, just where have the liberal Democratic Party advanced the American cause? Don't say the environment, because tightening the screws on American manufacturers without helping to significantly fund the conversion to clean green manufacturing facilities only hastened their exit from the US, putting more Americans out of work. I'm in full agreement for protecting our environment, but a little more intelligence in also protecting our business interests would greatly increase universal support, rather than using the issue to separate Democrats and Republicans.
Please don't reply with the typical "republican party is in shambles" train of thought. I agree if they were just a little more criminal, more deceptive and cunning, and totally didn't give a shit about America, they would be in a better place politically.
Spocky Ramone
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No problemo...
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!
beast of the east
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Spocky,
Won't do a quote to an already long post, but I've heard Bush speak in person twice in the past year. Mixed bag audiences at large conferences. Both times, the general reaction was the same from Democrats and Liberals as Bush explained in an armchair format the decisions he made and why:
General reaction:
1) He is a lot brighter and a lot more personable than the media portrays him.
2) That he loves America and has a deep affection and relationship with the military that protects us - and that it is mutual.
3) That he comes from an incredibly loving and supportive family.
4) That even if every decision that he made was demonized, even among liberals his decisions were understood and some they even agreed with.
Not to say you have to agree with or even like the decisions he made, but it was really enlightening to hear him speak and not through the thick (dare I say iron) curtain of the media portrayal of everything he did
Won't do a quote to an already long post, but I've heard Bush speak in person twice in the past year. Mixed bag audiences at large conferences. Both times, the general reaction was the same from Democrats and Liberals as Bush explained in an armchair format the decisions he made and why:
General reaction:
1) He is a lot brighter and a lot more personable than the media portrays him.
2) That he loves America and has a deep affection and relationship with the military that protects us - and that it is mutual.
3) That he comes from an incredibly loving and supportive family.
4) That even if every decision that he made was demonized, even among liberals his decisions were understood and some they even agreed with.
Not to say you have to agree with or even like the decisions he made, but it was really enlightening to hear him speak and not through the thick (dare I say iron) curtain of the media portrayal of everything he did
Bush seems to have a masochist side to himself. Supposedly he has a near photographic memory. Like Bill Clinton he remembers minor details about people that he barely ever met even decades earlier. Supposedly he has very intricate understanding of issues and peripheral implications and in a private meeting he has a commanding presence and is a very effective leader.
Then he speaks and puts all that into doubt. While I cringed at how disingenuous Bill Clinton always was, I found it almost physically painful every time Bush spoke. I took a leap of faith on those things and put my "wisdom over wit" hat on (especially since I am a kindred spirit regularly putting my own foot in my mouth), and left him to the history books as being unfairly demonized. Then I saw him interviewed maybe a year or two ago and he said he was spending his days painting poodle portraits! Undoubtedly the media did a number on him but he was a co-conspirator.
Then he speaks and puts all that into doubt. While I cringed at how disingenuous Bill Clinton always was, I found it almost physically painful every time Bush spoke. I took a leap of faith on those things and put my "wisdom over wit" hat on (especially since I am a kindred spirit regularly putting my own foot in my mouth), and left him to the history books as being unfairly demonized. Then I saw him interviewed maybe a year or two ago and he said he was spending his days painting poodle portraits! Undoubtedly the media did a number on him but he was a co-conspirator.
beast of the east
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Although it helps immensely, being a great public speaker and a great leader are two different things. Remember Reagan was called "The Great Communicator" and it by all means helped his Presidency. Bush is just not comfortable as a public speaker, but is by no means the idiot he was portrayed to be.
Don't even get me started about Mother Teresa.
I'm not responding because I'm not really interested in debating with you guys. We're all set in our ways and it just gives us all, or at least me, agita so what's the point. The only thing I'll add is if you don't understand the status differences in this country between Christians, Jews and Muslims we can't have a rational conversation on that subject. I don't agree with any of the religions obviously, but they are pretty much distinct socio-economic groups which is why I felt the need to include Christian in my description of the demographic in question. Nothing more untoward about it. As a marketer and one who understands political voting blocks that's all it was, though I guess it could have been delivered with a little less snark.
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