Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[beast of the east]

God i have tried soo hard to stay out if this. First Trump is a dusch and Hillary is at the very least a purger and I am sure much more. She got her senate seat in NY by Bill building a federal building in Harlem. Her total time or residence here before she ran was less than 1 week. There are no lesser evils here just the devil and Beelzebub, take you choice.

As for the republicans, they did this to themselves. The take big money to keep the status quo. The Dems take bigger money to promote socialistic change and globalism. The dems do not want freedom of religion they want freedom from religion. They also want a federal government that controls all in the name of fairness. Of course they are the ones who define what fairness is.

I prefer a country of liberty and freedom. I prefer states rights not federal rule. If California want to ban creation theory power to them. If Michigan wants to vote in Sherria law hell that up to them. If Mississippi wants Creation its up to them. The problem with most progressives is they want every thing their way and want everyone to follow their rules because they are smarter than everyone else. Every thing is an affront and every thing is an attack on them. And just like my communist friends the end justifies any means, weather it is sabotaging the competition or getting the dead, illegals or people voting multiple times. (ever wonder why they don't want voter id or computer voting with a pin?)

And PS abortion is murder at some point of time, weather 3 months or 5 let some dr and scientist decide. Anything after that is murder plain and simple. You had plenty of time before and you could have taken the morning after pill or maybe even used a condom or birth control. If you are going to use the rape argument please give me the statistics of home many rapes are aborted vs tot abortions so we can have it in context. If you do have to abort for extreme reasons let it be justifiable homicide.

We need a new party, one that really stands for the people supporting it the special interests. MJ you Interested next election?

PS I am catholic but do not follow dogma as most people in the us don't. I communicate with god in my own way taking the Ben Franklin belief in god. I do not questions other religions or faith or lack of it. I find it funny that progressives will ridicule you for being homophobic but then rip into someone religious. Sounds very hypocritical to me. :evil:

First, welcome back. I'm not sure what a purger is.

Second, agree that the Clinton's are the ultimate politicians. Consider it lucky that Hilary came against this moron because she's far from the ideal candidate.

Third, you can't say it's okay to teach creationism unless you think it also okay to teach advanced spells and potions. Fiction is fiction. Goes for all religions. That's not progressive. There are conservative atheists, believe it or not. Yes I agree we want freedom from religion, IOW you keep your religion to yourself if you choose to believe, as it should be.

Finally, I agree with you on Abortion, there needs to be a limit. After 3-4 months only under special circumstances, hell morning after pills are OTC now so why do we have this problem? But RTL and Pro Choice are very black and white in the way they see this issue. Kind of like gun control. Makes it hard.

Curious, what makes 3-4 months special to you? A sonogram showing a fecidedly human form sucking its thumb? Knowledge that the fetus recognizes and responds to its mothers voice? Feels pain and reacts to stimulus? Dreams dreams? Detectable heart beat? Kicks when it hears the bass sounds of music? The problem with that logic is that at 3-4 months it is visually and meadurably evident that this mass of celks is decidedly an unborn human child, and whose mother's most primal instincts should be to protect its life and not terminate it as a matter of convenience. I suspect if most males lived up to their paternal responsibilities that mayernal instinct would not be confused by societal forces of this now unwelcomed and burdensome child they are carrying.

 

[DaTiger]

Donald Trump’s refusal to say he will endorse the election results is consistent with Donald’s business dealings. On several occasions, Mr. Trump has chastised the Obama administration for telegraphing their next move (e.g. announcing the pending attack on Mosul, thereby allowing the ISIS leadership to implement evacuation plans). Given Trump’s publicly stated belief he is likely to be the victim of election fraud, how could he say unequivocally he would support the election? Hypothetically, suppose not one ballot was cast for him in Chicago or New York, wouldn’t everyone suspect an error and possibly fraud? If the DNC knows Trump would not challenge the results, why not rig it? His statement on supporting the election results appears consistent.

 

[ras]

In my mind its not such a bad statement. But these debates are about perception. Trump can ill afford to say anything the press can use against him and should have qualified the statement w extremely close election w questionable outcome like the Gore situation w hanging chads.

 

[beast of the east]

In my mind its not such a bad statement. But these debates are about perception. Trump can ill afford to say anything the press can use against him and should have qualified the statement w extremely close election w questionable outcome like the Gore situation w hanging chads.

Actually my concern about Trump is that is is not the most articulate person in the world. Surely a candidate for political office must simplify his language and messaging, because a William F. Buckley could not be comprehended by most Americans. So here's what I believe he meant, and what his response should have been:

"Of course I will accept the results of this election should there be a total lack of evidence that voting fraud and deceipt has not occurred. Specifically, if there is no evidence of ballot boxes being stuffed with those voting multiple times, dead people voting, unregistered voters voting, or ballots being cast in the name of those who didn't actually vote. If voter aren't chased from polling places by political activists threatening violence, if there is no evidence that convicted felons were registered in prisons in states by Democratic operatives, then of course I will not challenge the results. However, if there is massive voter fraud and manipulation consistent with the details contained in the email leaks from the DNC trying to destroy Bernie Sander's chances at the nomination, or if the type of despicable activities by the Clinton campaign contained in Wikileaks show activities designed to pervert this election, then you'd better believe, for the good of all American people, that I will contest the results."

 

[bamafan]

Don't see tonight moving the needle much one way or the other

Would like to move the needle into the arms of both candidates!

 

[logen]

In my mind its not such a bad statement. But these debates are about perception. Trump can ill afford to say anything the press can use against him and should have qualified the statement w extremely close election w questionable outcome like the Gore situation w hanging chads.

With all due respect, it matters not what Trump says where the press is concerned. He makes it easy, I agree, but the press (read virtually all media) has been bought and sold and have absolutely no credibility. They are a Democratic (read Obama/Clinton) propaganda machine, nothing less. Truth and fairness mean nothing to them, they are nothing more than a means to an end. That is by far that is the scariest reality of this election, even more than the possibility of electing a lying, thieving, murder abetting person to the White House. I have little to say good about Trump except that he is change and if change doesn't occur God help this country; I fear this grand experiment is over. It absolutely amazes me that the majority of people don't give a DAMN about her leaving people to be killed ON HER WATCH because that was what she considered the politically expedient thing to do. But, oh, the emotion over unfounded and unproven groping stories coming out of the woodwork from decades ago. Trump, if elected, may be the worst of the worst as far as presidents go, but he would not be the end game that Clinton will be.

 

[beast of the east]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

 

[usguard]

In my mind its not such a bad statement. But these debates are about perception. Trump can ill afford to say anything the press can use against him and should have qualified the statement w extremely close election w questionable outcome like the Gore situation w hanging chads.

That is true but I do not see that as a negative. He is pretty amazing what he has accomplished He sure has faults but feel the American people and the country could turn around with him, HRC would seem to lead us with the same old same old not a new direction Just my opinion but wish no inference of politics would be mention on a sports sight just gives all including myself to spout views which are different from others which tends to lead to argumentative dialogue But always love your
posts

 

[beast of the east]

In my mind its not such a bad statement. But these debates are about perception. Trump can ill afford to say anything the press can use against him and should have qualified the statement w extremely close election w questionable outcome like the Gore situation w hanging chads.

That is true but I do not see that as a negative. He is pretty amazing what he has accomplished He sure has faults but feel the American people and the country could turn around with him, HRC would seem to lead us with the same old same old not a new direction Just my opinion but wish no inference of politics would be mention on a sports sight just gives all including myself to spout views which are different from others which tends to lead to argumentative dialogue But always love your
posts

Just as an aside, if you just click on Redmen talk, you won't get any general discussions and for you could just be about basketball.

 

[redfazed]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

I thought he started off fine and I thought that Pardon like was really funny but oh man after that it went downhill

But to be fair some of Hillary's stuff wasn't good either but hers overall had more levity

But the news reports that I watched made it sound like Trump was the only one that the crowd reacted negatively to but I watched it and Hillary had groans from the crowd also. Liberal media bias of course

Personally while I understand Beasts POV on why he thinks the event may have run it's course to me when you raise 6 million for a good cause then that's fine by me

 

[redfazed]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

I thought he started off fine and I thought that Pardon like was really funny but oh man after that it went downhill

But to be fair some of Hillary's stuff wasn't good either but hers overall had more levity

But the news reports that I watched made it sound like Trump was the only one that the crowd reacted negatively to but I watched it and Hillary had groans from the crowd also. Liberal media bias of course

Personally while I understand Beasts POV on why he thinks the event may have run it's course to me when you raise 6 million for a good cause then that's fine by me

Agree with everything you said. That is why it so frustrating, though. The Wikileaks stuff has made clear that Hillary can't even compose a Tweet by herself so her speech was locked in and I agree it was poor in many parts. So he had a golden opportunity to show off his more humorous, likeable side (which does exist). But no.....

 

[logen]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

The problem is that the elections have boiled down to reality show popularity contests and the media and the Democratic Party are masters of character assassination on one end and deflection, misdirection and feigned ignorance on the other. These discussions are tough because Trump is such a buffoon (on the political stage) but I would vote for Jim from Taxi before I voted for Clinton.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

The problem is that the elections have boiled down to reality show popularity contests and the media and the Democratic Party are masters of character assassination on one end and deflection, misdirection and feigned ignorance on the other. These discussions are tough because Trump is such a buffoon (on the political stage) but I would vote for Jim from Taxi before I voted for Clinton.

Hey, Jim was an Ivy Leaguer at fair Harvard!

 

[logen]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

The problem is that the elections have boiled down to reality show popularity contests and the media and the Democratic Party are masters of character assassination on one end and deflection, misdirection and feigned ignorance on the other. These discussions are tough because Trump is such a buffoon (on the political stage) but I would vote for Jim from Taxi before I voted for Clinton.

Hey, Jim was an Ivy Leaguer at fair Harvard!

That he was, he of the infamous laced brownie (or laced something).

 

[fuchsia]

One of the best takes by an actor I have ever seen.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

I thought he started off fine and I thought that Pardon like was really funny but oh man after that it went downhill

But to be fair some of Hillary's stuff wasn't good either but hers overall had more levity

But the news reports that I watched made it sound like Trump was the only one that the crowd reacted negatively to but I watched it and Hillary had groans from the crowd also. Liberal media bias of course

Personally while I understand Beasts POV on why he thinks the event may have run it's course to me when you raise 6 million for a good cause then that's fine by me

Agree with everything you said. That is why it so frustrating, though. The Wikileaks stuff has made clear that Hillary can't even compose a Tweet by herself so her speech was locked in and I agree it was poor in many parts. So he had a golden opportunity to show off his more humorous, likeable side (which does exist). But no.....

It's amazing this wikileaks stuff isn't getting more play. Look at what came out today or yesterday with morocco and yet all I see on tv is trump talking at the dinner on the news channels

 

[Red.Fans]

You have me reconsidering my vote. I was going to go with Alfred E. Neuman but I like the sound of Jim from Taxi. We share the same values...

This country has a bad case of ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION

 

[beast of the east]

Quite possibly the least funny, least light-hearted, Al Smith dinner ever. Didn't either of these two at least hire a comedy writer or rehearse their delivery. It was painful to even watch the clips of it on the news.


Maybe it's time to end it anyways. When the Bishop is sitting across from candidates whose operatives have been caught sending a bunch of e-mails about undermining the authority of Catholic Church leadership, when they favor the brutal horrific practice of crushing the skulls and drilling holes into the brains of near term babies as they brown during labor, when their actions are far from Church teachings, the Cardinal's attendance at this event only confuses Catholics that these practices and positions are really not that important to the Church, when in fact they are.

I am about as opposed to a Hillary presidency as anyone. But Trump's performance at the dinner last night was horrific. Absolutely cringeworthy. It is just so frustrating to see the Republican candidate blow himself up against a candidate who would otherwise be so beatable.

I thought he started off fine and I thought that Pardon like was really funny but oh man after that it went downhill

But to be fair some of Hillary's stuff wasn't good either but hers overall had more levity

But the news reports that I watched made it sound like Trump was the only one that the crowd reacted negatively to but I watched it and Hillary had groans from the crowd also. Liberal media bias of course

Personally while I understand Beasts POV on why he thinks the event may have run it's course to me when you raise 6 million for a good cause then that's fine by me

Agree with everything you said. That is why it so frustrating, though. The Wikileaks stuff has made clear that Hillary can't even compose a Tweet by herself so her speech was locked in and I agree it was poor in many parts. So he had a golden opportunity to show off his more humorous, likeable side (which does exist). But no.....

I thought Obama was the most thin skinned politician I had ever seen, and although Trump is not a politician at all, really cannot take a joke at all.

Both these candidates are disgusting in that traditionally the Al Smith dinner has been an opportunity for one night at least to lay the gloves down and gently poke fun at each other and themselves.

 

[beast of the east]