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MugCostanza
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The thing to remember though is that more money for players does mean less money for others - coaches, athletic departments, peripheral sports etc. It won't be incremental.
Another interesting dynamic once schools will be paying players directly is if schools will choose to pay everybody on the team equally or pay who they perceive to be the best players more. Clearly the latter is what's likely to happen but that could get hairy in a variety of ways.
Either way, college sports is way different now than it was 5 years ago and will be an even bigger difference between now and 5 years from now.
This is akin to free agency, which means the better players will receive greater NIL money.
More importantly, this is primarily about football. It drives the bus. I think a 5-star QB (especially) and WR, will make more than a 5-star guard. The college football coach will now have to sell NIL investors on a recruit’s worth.
Does this help the BE schools, because 5-star basketball players may not want to play for less than football players?
I think it will remain a state issue, especially since it has already gone this far.
But I agree that football will end up separating itself. The Big 12 is doing everything possible to become the third mega football conference.
In think basketball is safe because March Madness is an enormous moneymaker. People watch because upsets happen.
The masses are nowhere near as excited about watching Georgia demolish its semifinal opponent.
When did the college play amateurs? I mean, what years? I guess I'm too young to remember those times
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They do this separation for the money. They don't know how to make money anymore
But I wonder what will come out of it.MugCostanza
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Agreed it's all about football. But will make for interesting dynamics.
5 star QB prospect signs big contract to play at SEC school with the assumption he'll start in his second year after current Sr QB graduates.
Going into that kid's second year the coach realizes their current 3 star SR is the better player right now and should be the starting QB over the 5 Star Sophomore but the 5 star kid makes 4x more.
Now you're in a dilemma. Pressure will come from the school and athletic department to play the 5 star kid because they don't want to pay him that much to be on the bench. Coach will get angry that he's being forced to play a kid he doesn't think is good enough. This already happens in the pros.
Same will happen in basketball and any other sport that in which the school might pay players a salary. At state schools the player salaries and contract details will have to be fully public too.
If the team can afford a better player, why not? And why should the coach go along with the public?
That's the dilemma. The public scolds the coach for lack of results. And at the same time they scold the coach for hiring the wrong player the public wants.
So maybe the public should take over the coaching duties?
"This is how you utilize NIL to sign a scholarship player when your roster is full...."
Wanted to take the NIL conversation off the Staff thread. This article from May might have been posted already. It pertains to football but it applies to basketball as well.
This is what is listed as ways that collegiate athletes can make money:
Someone please tell show where it says that they are permitted to accept donations.
This is what is listed as ways that collegiate athletes can make money:
Someone please tell show where it says that they are permitted to accept donations.
What’s everyone’s opinion on donating to NIL?
Alumni Hall
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As Deonne Sanders said, he is against just handing athletes money. ”they need to work for it. Playing sports is not working for it. That what your scholarship is about. We need to stop the culture of just handing out money to athletes /as that will lead to the feeling of entitlement and more handouts after they graduate or leave college.“
I would like to see each athlete actually work the coaches camp and teach our youth. Then pay them more than they have been given by our former sports camp directors. Not just sit in the locker room watching tv and getting paid minimum wage. I can’t see myself personally just giving a handout to any athlete and watch them drive a new BMW around. There are many opportunities for athletes to interact with the public off the court/field which can lead to added NIL money. Did any of our players attend the Carnesecca golf outing. Did any go to the SJU affair at Belmont? These are events where our players can certainly interact and get to know the alumni base and maybe get NIL or summer job internships which can have a substantial impact on their life after they graduate.
Again what are we teaching our youth when we are just giving them money for nothing? But that’s just me. I personally will wait until SJU announces new facility upgrades to the public and donate there.
I would like to see each athlete actually work the coaches camp and teach our youth. Then pay them more than they have been given by our former sports camp directors. Not just sit in the locker room watching tv and getting paid minimum wage. I can’t see myself personally just giving a handout to any athlete and watch them drive a new BMW around. There are many opportunities for athletes to interact with the public off the court/field which can lead to added NIL money. Did any of our players attend the Carnesecca golf outing. Did any go to the SJU affair at Belmont? These are events where our players can certainly interact and get to know the alumni base and maybe get NIL or summer job internships which can have a substantial impact on their life after they graduate.
Again what are we teaching our youth when we are just giving them money for nothing? But that’s just me. I personally will wait until SJU announces new facility upgrades to the public and donate there.
I don’t believe any college player deserves more than $20k-ish and believe that NIL, in its present form, will kill college athletics…with said, i hve donated and will continue to do so - as long as it translates to some recruiting success - because I bleed SJ red
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AH, I agree 100,000% with your sentiment. Personally have a strong aversion to NIL as it is currently structured. What you suggest will prepare these kids for life, and in past years, players have attended event like the golf outing, like the basketball kickoff dinner, like the President's dinner. Keep in mind that basketball is a two semester sport, and these kids practice and train 12 months a year. Unfortunately, maybe of them come to college with academic deficiencies and ask them to travel from November to March, spend Thanksgiving and sometimes Christmas away from family, and practice or play at least 6 days a week. I can't even begin to comprehend how Charles Minlend handled pharmacy school AND be a varsity starter, and many others who attained degrees in 4 years.
I agree with your logic but that isn't the current landscape. We have a HOF coach, one of the greatest ever, but without NIL money raised by a collective dedicated only to SJU, and funds raised from people who believe not only in basketball but the university as a whole, we may as well rehire Norm Roberts. If this program is to be restored, to even have a chance to be restored, players have to be paid. I don't know a single D1 athlete who has turned down NIL, and most go to the highest bidder, including some kids who committed to us and recently left to get far more money than was available at St. John's.
I haven't told anyone what to do with their money, but there is a VERY HUGE reality - competing schools raise NIL money from fans, big and small donations. Until the rules change, we either raise large sums of money, or waste this giant FINITE opportunity of having the great Coach Pitino on board. To some extent, supporting NIL repulses me, but so does the opinion that St. John's is a second or third tier school. So does making the NCAA's just 3 times since our Elite 8 team of 2002. More than ever though, I have a chance to do something about it, as we all do, to make a small dent, or tiny ding, in NIL funding of players. This isn't an opinion, it's reality, and while I understand anyone who chooses not to support it, to get angry retorts is just beyond logical comprehension.
AH, I respect you greatly, but be aware that SJU is accepting donations towards facilities, and have already raised a significant amount of the gigantic final bill. The big thing holding it up is finalizing plans for a student wellness center that will allow them to removate Tafner as basketball only. There are exciting options being discussed such as private/public investment by corporations in retail space and maybe even a national franchise gym to partner with. Great things ahead there. You can commit right now by contacting Nick Vendikos or Mike Cragg.
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