NIL’s

Which side are you on lol. What a hot debate.
Let's all just try to remember that there are great people and great fans on both sides of this topic, and the unifying opinion is we all agree that NIL money is necessary in this space and time to run a winning major D1 program. Nothing else, including who gives what and why, doesn't matter.
 
When college sports becomes pro sports(we're pretty much there already), not only do I stop contributing, I stop going and watching on TV. Just like I stopped watching pro sports many years ago. And no one grew up a bigger pro sports fan than me, especially the Yanks and Knicks. I could care less about both teams now. At a certain point I'll go back to following local high school sports or find some other form of entertainment.
 
AH, I agree 100,000% with your sentiment. Personally have a strong aversion to NIL as it is currently structured. What you suggest will prepare these kids for life, and in past years, players have attended event like the golf outing, like the basketball kickoff dinner, like the President's dinner. Keep in mind that basketball is a two semester sport, and these kids practice and train 12 months a year. Unfortunately, maybe of them come to college with academic deficiencies and ask them to travel from November to March, spend Thanksgiving and sometimes Christmas away from family, and practice or play at least 6 days a week. I can't even begin to comprehend how Charles Minlend handled pharmacy school AND be a varsity starter, and many others who attained degrees in 4 years.

I agree with your logic but that isn't the current landscape. We have a HOF coach, one of the greatest ever, but without NIL money raised by a collective dedicated only to SJU, and funds raised from people who believe not only in basketball but the university as a whole, we may as well rehire Norm Roberts. If this program is to be restored, to even have a chance to be restored, players have to be paid. I don't know a single D1 athlete who has turned down NIL, and most go to the highest bidder, including some kids who committed to us and recently left to get far more money than was available at St. John's.

I haven't told anyone what to do with their money, but there is a VERY HUGE reality - competing schools raise NIL money from fans, big and small donations. Until the rules change, we either raise large sums of money, or waste this giant FINITE opportunity of having the great Coach Pitino on board. To some extent, supporting NIL repulses me, but so does the opinion that St. John's is a second or third tier school. So does making the NCAA's just 3 times since our Elite 8 team of 2002. More than ever though, I have a chance to do something about it, as we all do, to make a small dent, or tiny ding, in NIL funding of players. This isn't an opinion, it's reality, and while I understand anyone who chooses not to support it, to get angry retorts is just beyond logical comprehension.

AH, I respect you greatly, but be aware that SJU is accepting donations towards facilities, and have already raised a significant amount of the gigantic final bill. The big thing holding it up is finalizing plans for a student wellness center that will allow them to removate Tafner as basketball only. There are exciting options being discussed such as private/public investment by corporations in retail space and maybe even a national franchise gym to partner with. Great things ahead there. You can commit right now by contacting Nick Vendikos or Mike Cragg.
Beast the elite eight team was 1999.
 
When college sports becomes pro sports(we're pretty much there already), not only do I stop contributing, I stop going and watching on TV. Just like I stopped watching pro sports many years ago. And no one grew up a bigger pro sports fan than me, especially the Yanks and Knicks. I could care less about both teams now. At a certain point I'll go back to following local high school sports or find some other form of entertainment.
Maybe start with Little League because many HS kids are already being paid also.
 
When college sports becomes pro sports(we're pretty much there already), not only do I stop contributing, I stop going and watching on TV. Just like I stopped watching pro sports many years ago. And no one grew up a bigger pro sports fan than me, especially the Yanks and Knicks. I could care less about both teams now. At a certain point I'll go back to following local high school sports or find some other form of entertainment.
I think viewers should be paid to watch. 🙂
 
I think viewers should be paid to watch. 🙂
I gotta be honest, if it wasn't for this forum and all the friends I've made and all the other lunatics(besides me) that I engage with on a daily basis, I may have written off SJU basketball a long time ago. So, again, thank you Paul and the mods for keeping us all together during the last couple of decades of (mostly) futility.
 
There ya go, starting trouble again lol. First of all, I'm not sure how you establish enough rules to govern all of this. And even if you establish enough rules, how do you enforce them? As has been said before, it's the wild west, and IMO it'll just keep getting wilder. Where's Robert Conrad when you need him.
 
If the state of Texas is truly going as far as specifically providing a statutory remedy for a school to pursue a claim against the NCAA if it prohibits certain NIL activity, that is wild and the NCAA is soon to be dead.
 

The Athletic ( paid subscription)

NCAA rules should supersede contradictory state laws, according to the NCAA, as the governing body reminded member schools in a memo yesterday. This comes as a response to states passing expansive NIL regulations that allow collectives to directly pay athletes. Many school administrators have said state law — not NCAA guidelines — will govern how they operate. Get more on the upcoming battle here.
 
The Athletic ( paid subscription)

NCAA rules should supersede contradictory state laws, according to the NCAA, as the governing body reminded member schools in a memo yesterday. This comes as a response to states passing expansive NIL regulations that allow collectives to directly pay athletes. Many school administrators have said state law — not NCAA guidelines — will govern how they operate. Get more on the upcoming battle here.
Yea, that will go well. Sounds like a Federal matter.
 
The Athletic ( paid subscription)

NCAA rules should supersede contradictory state laws, according to the NCAA, as the governing body reminded member schools in a memo yesterday. This comes as a response to states passing expansive NIL regulations that allow collectives to directly pay athletes. Many school administrators have said state law — not NCAA guidelines — will govern how they operate. Get more on the upcoming battle here.


The feckless NCAA will allege that membership in the NCAA is "voluntary" and as such the member schools have agreed (likely by written membership agreements) to comply with uniformly enforced NCAA rules.

The power football conference schools will allege that the NCAA rules cannot override state law and cannot abridge the rights of its student athletes.

The NCAA should be careful that the NCAA's position does not cause the power football schools to bolt to a new affiliation.

This is the sorts that lawsuits are made of.


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The feckless NCAA will allege that membership in the NCAA is "voluntary" and as such the member schools have agreed (likely by written membership agreements) to comply with uniformly enforced NCAA rules.

The power football conference schools will allege that the NCAA rules cannot override state law and cannot abridge the rights of its student athletes.

The NCAA should be careful that the NCAA's position does not cause the power football schools to bolt to a new affiliation.

This is the sorts that lawsuits are made of.


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Which is one of the reasons I have mentioned as to why the NCAA is reluctant to put out more definitive rules and put a cap on it.
 
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