If the kid really wants to be somewhere, they could be afraid to miss out on the school/coach if they wait too long. But if their #1 priority is money and you're a big man, it's a no brainer to wait.
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for TOP top transfers- this makes sense...there will always be a Market/ Room made on a roster for them.
For guys considered outside the Top100... they wait too long... a lot of wells might be dry...
I don’t believe this at all. I’m sure there are guys giving discounts but nothing significant.
The 600k example seemed egregious to me, but I'd need to know the specific player/coaches to call BS or not.
For example, if you're a player who's probably a starter on a P5 team but no NBA prospects, going to Kenny Payne's Louisville-run program for 1 mill may actually cost you money in the long run because of the lack of player development, being in a horrible position to succeed, etc. That would make sense to me.
Similarly, this is why some guys are worth way more than we might think they are. For a guy like Sprinkle, adding Osobar could be huge to him in terms of getting off on the right foot. As we know HM fan bases do not have patience. That could lead to Millions and Millions in salary either coming or going to him down the line.
Larry Wright
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I really don’t think that is the case in this climate. Think go for NIL, potential PT before coach comes into play.
ST John’s finally gets top tier coach just in time for the NCAA to blow up the landscape.
Think every player's priorities are different, and every situation is.
A guy like Mitchell could cost himself millions by going to the wrong coach for the highest NIL.
Larry Wright
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But that is what most will do. Mitchell is not a definitive pro, going to go for the sure thing pay day.
Again Pitino is a great coach but that doesn’t guarantee kids who play for him will make the pros.
Definitely no guarantee and our NIL needs to be competitive/close enough. We aren't going to get huge discounts
Silly Donovan
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Let’s get real here. In essence, Mutchel’s recruitment is all about the bucks period. The more money he gets the more his handlers get. College ball is really becoming a cesspool. Hoping Ledlum gets his waiver.
Also I don’t believe for one minute that these kids care much about “developing”. If one school offers so many thousand more then another, the only thing these kids will care about is how much they can develop their buying power. Saying that they care about “developing” is an attempt to humanize the decision and make it not look like a money grab which we all know it is.
Also I don’t believe for one minute that these kids care much about “developing”. If one school offers so many thousand more then another, the only thing these kids will care about is how much they can develop their buying power. Saying that they care about “developing” is an attempt to humanize the decision and make it not look like a money grab which we all know it is.
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Don't understand your logic there unless you are implying that a coach like CRP could make someone with no NBA prospects an NBA prospect, in which case the no NBA prospects is a misnomer. If you look at any NBA roster nowadays they're stuffed with guys who made no impact in college, many for no name coaches. Imagine it's all about the work, athleticism and versatility. There were 1,600 guys in the portal? Maybe 2-3% ever sniff an NBA contract. The rest should be looking to set themselves up for the future financially. The top guys will make more than 2 way G League/NBA contracted players which is what most of them will become at best.
I'm thinking in both maybe getting a sniff of the NBA, but also overseas basketball salaries. Huge difference playing in a lower tier league vs. not -- both in pay and even reliability of a pay check.
Well unless you're playing in China or Euro League even the top leagues only average around $200-350K per year. With limited international spots in most leagues to boot. Not a lot of jobs for US players. NIL is a sure thing. Interesting aside Shane Larkin is the highest paid player in Euro League. Or was in 2023. And of course the 2nd highest paid US player is Kevin Punter. Kevin who???
My nephew is in the portal, played at a school in the south last season. Played a lot over the summer in open runs with the local D1 guys in the city, told me over the weekend that last year guys were happy to make whatever they could, this portal season for 99% of the guys it is all about making the most money. I am not buying what that guy is saying.
Rocket
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There lies the magic number..........the 1 percent that are talented but with the desire to become better players in a better system.
Mike Zaun Returns
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It was always going to happen this way. Those who see ahead & talk about slippery slopes are always mocked, ridiculed, and put down as “out of touch” at best. Then they turn out to be right. I recall proponents of NIL claiming players were literally “starving” as if they weren’t already the royalty of their schools if in a P6 conf. As if they weren’t getting $ under tables. As if a $300k degree(s) for free meant nothing. We just ended up making big football public schools even more powerful. I refuse to pay a kid to come play here. Very weird dynamic & exclusive to college. After Pitino we should be very scared about our program’s standing in this new world. Pretty soon it will literally only be about $ and kids won’t even care about winning or the coach. Insane times.
Then we hear how much $ they make their schools & TV networks $ deserve big pieces of pie, yet you can make same arguments for many other jobs. Teens working at King Kullen as cashiers are helping the executives make more money yet don’t see much of that. Head hunters help companies find employees and thus the execs get to make more $ but the head hunters won’t see much of it. What about the guy driving Amazon van for $20/ hr? He probably makes the company tons. But doesn’t see it. These arguments were never made publicly & it was all based on emotion & rushing. This is the result-a mess.
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I'm a head hunter and I don't follow you re: the last couple of sentences. Can you pls elaborate?
Mike Zaun Returns
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NIL was rushed & it was never thought out reasonably. Many people screeching that kids would starve. In other words, emotional arguments not realistic ones.
79 just a guage of your opinion to show where the market has gone this year. Upper echelon players what would you give the ballpark of rumored numbers of what they went for ?
They really should just cap it. If the whole point was that schools were taking advantage of these kids by using them to generate profit for themselves; then fair pay to the players generating that profit is reasonable. I fully support capitalism, but this has gotten out of hand with kids just shopping themselves around to the highest bidder year over year. They are no longer student athletes if they not invested in at least the illusion of an education.
Pick a number in the hundreds of thousands and let that be the max a school can give per player. It levels the playing field, eliminates this nonsense of kids leveraging one school against another and satisfies the original intent of compensating the kids for their contributions to the revenues they generate. Plus, if a kid can only make the same amount of money regardless of where they play it likely leads to longer term commitments to the teams that invested in their development. And that leads to better basketball and a better experience for the kids playing, the kids in the stands, the universities and us as fans.