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room112 said:
Just to take what you're saying a step further, a winning basketball team can help propel the school as a whole to new heights. Which is why it's important for the school to invest in the program (which it appears they are at this point).

UConn recently announced they hit an all time high for applications this year. You have to credit the increased interest to the success of the basketball program. When I went there, I remember countless students mentioning they only wanted to go there because they were fans of the team.
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I hear what you're saying 112, but in this current climate the rich are getting richer like never before. So, for every kid that UCONN poaches away from a mid major with more NIL money, that's a mid major program and school that takes a big hit. Maybe a mid major who has historically relied on its basketball program to give the school a higher profile. Hofstra for instance. Maybe their enrollment will suffer by virtue of the fact that they can no longer sustain any kind of success.

But, in this current climate, the prevailing wisdom is "screw the little guy, I gotta do what's best for me and my program". Now, that mindset has always existed, but now it's at a whole other level and it feels completely unethical and immoral to me.
 
monte said:
Here where? On the message board? If you'll notice, I am posting less and less. I assure you I ain't renewing my season tickets next season and will not stop whatever I'm doing to watch an SJU game.

I didn't stop following pro sports completely overnight. I probably won't stop following college basketball completely overnight either. But unless this NIL thing is reigned in somehow, I put college sports in the same category as the other pro leagues(maybe even worse since there are no contracts) and will gradually turn my back on it.
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One point, I have no idea what my rooting interest will be next year but I can truthfully say I have very little interest in the portal, NIL activity. But I do enjoy the board, I tell myself to read, not post, and then I post. I love ball but I have also loved woman that I got over but it didn’t happen with the flip of a switch.
 
logen said:
One point, I have no idea what my rooting interest will be next year but I can truthfully say I have very little interest in the portal, NIL activity. But I do enjoy the board, I tell myself to read, not post, and then I post. I love ball but I have also loved woman that I got over but it didn’t happen with the flip of a switch.
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Hope Mrs Logen doesn’t have your login :)
 
logen said:
One point, I have no idea what my rooting interest will be next year but I can truthfully say I have very little interest in the portal, NIL activity. But I do enjoy the board, I tell myself to read, not post, and then I post. I love ball but I have also loved woman that I got over but it didn’t happen with the flip of a switch.
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I've made many friends on this board over the years, and love the banter. I will probably always keep connected to our program to some degree just so I can come on the board and engage.

Totally agree with you, could care less about the portal/NIL. Have never had any interest in it other than to despise it. I think it's a total farce and am certainly never going to donate a penny.

As other have said "just wake me up when the roster is set and the balls are being rolled out", then I'll see how I feel.
 
The leagues / college game is arguably more popular and valuable than the NBA. It is older and has more history and probably more fans. The G league is not even on the same page as major college basketball - there is no interest or value in it. Now with betting legalized in most states there is a lot more money to be made by people invested in the college game. I don't see the money going down. I would expect that the overdue player compensation will evolve into a better and more controlled process.

The fans who are turned off will be replaced by dozens more betting on the action.

The real threat to this sport - and to the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL - is the legalized, and now wide-spread gambling. Especially, the wagers on individual stats. It is difficult to trust the players. I would wager a bet that the monitoring controls are not detecting all the players on the take.
 
I agree with Monte. College sports are broken, not broke. These so-called amateur teams we follow and support are really minor league teams for the major sports, with no team affiliation.

Financial remuneration for college athletes needs to be controlled and transparent, or the sport is done. It will be like all but a few schools will be the Washington Generals, awaiting slaughter by the Globetrotters.

Maybe we need a special Division for the big schools that have access to bottomless purse. Put them in their own minor league. Enough of leading the prey to slaughter in the colosseum.

Transparent sports budgets and athletes compensation with team salary caps might help to even the field. I'm pretty sure that will drive the schools to hide their payments (including NIL) to players. So much for my venting. College sports are doomed unless there is federal legislation to control the industry, and that won't happen.
 
Beast - with NIL, do you know what kind of impact it's having on direct donations to athletic dept (Red White) and how university is looking at that? Pocket shift or incremental to NIL?
 
RedStormNC said:
Beast - with NIL, do you know what kind of impact it's having on direct donations to athletic dept (Red White) and how university is looking at that? Pocket shift or incremental to NIL?
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I definitely think it's impacting capacity to raise athletic department funds. Right now for men's basketball nothing is more important than nil. It's hard to support both without increasing your giving. Add to the mix a new basketball practice facility as part of a broader capital campaign and the demand for donations for NIL, athletic department operations, and capital projects has never been greater. This is a big gamble by Shanley to invest in Pitino, fire a coach w 4 years remaining, expand the schedule at major arenas, and build a new practice facility - all with the hope that winning will generate millions in donations to pay for it all.
 
Knight said:
I agree with Monte. College sports are broken, not broke. These so-called amateur teams we follow and support are really minor league teams for the major sports, with no team affiliation.

Financial remuneration for college athletes needs to be controlled and transparent, or the sport is done. It will be like all but a few schools will be the Washington Generals, awaiting slaughter by the Globetrotters.

Maybe we need a special Division for the big schools that have access to bottomless purse. Put them in their own minor league. Enough of leading the prey to slaughter in the colosseum.

Transparent sports budgets and athletes compensation with team salary caps might help to even the field. I'm pretty sure that will drive the schools to hide their payments (including NIL) to players. So much for my venting. College sports are doomed unless there is federal legislation to control the industry, and that won't happen.
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Great post Knight. I'm not normally big on (more)Government intervention in private business(although many are state schools), but in this case I believe it's needed since clearly the involved parties can't control it. Nor do they even have a desire to control it because they're all making so much money with it just the way it is.
 
Knight said:
I agree with Monte. College sports are broken, not broke. These so-called amateur teams we follow and support are really minor league teams for the major sports, with no team affiliation.

Financial remuneration for college athletes needs to be controlled and transparent, or the sport is done. It will be like all but a few schools will be the Washington Generals, awaiting slaughter by the Globetrotters.

Maybe we need a special Division for the big schools that have access to bottomless purse. Put them in their own minor league. Enough of leading the prey to slaughter in the colosseum.

Transparent sports budgets and athletes compensation with team salary caps might help to even the field. I'm pretty sure that will drive the schools to hide their payments (including NIL) to players. So much for my venting. College sports are doomed unless there is federal legislation to control the industry, and that won't happen.
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Disagree with the federal government intervention, what makes anyone think that some of the big money that rules college sports now just won’t be used to help generate favorable legislation to the “haves”?
I guarantee that approach will make a situation most couldn’t dream could get worse, worse.
 
logen said:
Disagree with the federal government intervention, what makes anyone think that some of the big money that rules college sports now just won’t be used to help generate favorable legislation to the “haves”?
I guarantee that approach will make a situation most couldn’t dream could get worse, worse.
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What's your alternative?
 
monte said:
Great post Knight. I'm not normally big on (more)Government intervention in private business(although many are state schools), but in this case I believe it's needed since clearly the involved parties can't control it. Nor do they even have a desire to control it because they're all making so much money with it just the way it is.
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Mark, I was trying to figure a way to level the playing field, but Logen had a point in that big money would influence the legislation.

I view NCAA like another governmental body, doing harm while thinking its doing good.
 
Knight said:
I agree with Monte. College sports are broken, not broke. These so-called amateur teams we follow and support are really minor league teams for the major sports, with no team affiliation.

Financial remuneration for college athletes needs to be controlled and transparent, or the sport is done. It will be like all but a few schools will be the Washington Generals, awaiting slaughter by the Globetrotters.

Maybe we need a special Division for the big schools that have access to bottomless purse. Put them in their own minor league. Enough of leading the prey to slaughter in the colosseum.

Transparent sports budgets and athletes compensation with team salary caps might help to even the field. I'm pretty sure that will drive the schools to hide their payments (including NIL) to players. So much for my venting. College sports are doomed unless there is federal legislation to control the industry, and that won't happen.
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Transparency really cannot do much here. Not sure of exactly how these contracts are structured but athletes are compensated by individual companies on a fee for service basis. I don't think it's reasonable to share how much a restaurant owner is paying players to make appearances and other promotional considerations, or how much a major corporation (say Nike) is paying a Caitlin Clark. If what you are saying was done, teams would scour the NIL compensation list to simply offer more than competing schools.

Except for public sector jobs that get published or union wage scales, would you want to be a small business owner and have all your salaries disclosed. Or your neighbors to know how much you are paid?

There really are no easy answers to the problems that clearly exist in NIL. In essence all team sports where athletes are paid are not on a level competitive playing field. Teams with the capacity to pay more can sign the best athletes, which gives their teams a distinct advantage.

College sports are so lopsided even between public and private schools where taxpayers foot the bill for great facilities and high priced coaches.

With NIL, even having a great coach doesn't mean that much when athletes can pick a new school every single year that can guarantee a higher NIL wage.

Competitively it's like lightweight and middleweight boxers competing against heavyweights.
 
Beasts of the East said:
This is a big gamble by Shanley to invest in Pitino, fire a coach w 4 years remaining, expand the schedule at major arenas, and build a new practice facility - all with the hope that winning will generate millions in donations to pay for it all.
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An equally large gamble is the fact that in the process of dismissing CMA SJU tarnished Mike Anderson’s name which was totally unnecessary.
He could have been dismissed and SJU could have publicly said we are going in a different direction. But that was not what was done and now the school is facing a huge lawsuit which it brought on itself. Instead of owing Anderson’s salary they face punitive damages far in excess of the salary owed. I have not read the suit so I apologise if I used the incorrect term. Unfortunately for us, Anderson who had been gainfully employed in bball for roughly 40 years, and half that time as a head coach, is now heading into his second season of unemployment. I scour the news daily in the hope of seeing that he has accepted another head coaching position in order to lessen SJÛ’s potential burden. It would be an unpleasant stain on SJU if they lost the arbitration with Anderson and had to pay in excess of his unpaid salary. And I am sure that would not go over well with donors.
 
I've forgotten why St. John's took the litigious path. Did the Administration believe CMA grossly mismanaged the team or, more cynically , an attempt to save some $-coin to defray CRP's expensive deal?
 
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