Next Coach?

[bamafan]

It isn't just Bobby's success at Buffalo this year that has people viewing him as a legit candidate. It is the pedigree - grew up under one of the best coaches at any level, smart and determined players (who maximized all of his tools), from the area, played under a legendary coach, etc, etc. That, plus their on-the-court success, is why people are into both Hurley brothers. And given their Dad's history, I think some view St. John's as a job that one or both would view as a long term options.

I think people are getting ahead of themselves with the Hurley's. Not saying either or both won't be very successful, I am just saying people are speculating a bit much here.

Excuse me, but didn't Bobby Hurley's team lose today? And putting that aside, what has he accomplished in the ever-powerful Mid-American Conference over the past few years that merits his even being considered as head coach of St. John's ... which, if I understand correctly, is a member of one of college basketball's elite conference?

So if a Triple A baseball player hits.350 with 50 hrs and 140 rbi s don't bring him up to majors cause he hasn't done anything at that level.

 

[we are sju]

Bobby Hurley played a closer game with SUNY Buffalo against a #5 seed than Lavin's Big East teams did against an 11 seed and an 8 seed.

Is there really a comparison here?

Yes at this point you would have to say Lavin is much more accomplished. Hurley might be great, but again...If they hired him I am sure I would be fine with it but would be the equivalent of trading away a pitcher who is a 15 game winner for a very good prospect. It is not a no brainer.

 

[speedracer]

Lavin should go back to tv.Get one of the Hurleys young passionate good x and o guy local connections it seems to be a no brainer .

 

[Marillac]

Bobby Hurley played a closer game with SUNY Buffalo against a #5 seed than Lavin's Big East teams did against an 11 seed and an 8 seed.

Is there really a comparison here?

Yes at this point you would have to say Lavin is much more accomplished. Hurley might be great, but again...If they hired him I am sure I would be fine with it but would be the equivalent of trading away a pitcher who is a 15 game winner for a very good prospect. It is not a no brainer.

I totally understand your reservations about an unproven coach, but I think you are selling Hurley's experience short. He jumped the line to get to where he was at Wagner, but three years as a lead assistant and two very successful years as a head coach is pretty good experience. He's won everywhere he's been! Undefeated in high school, two national championships at Duke, 25-6 at Wagner, and 42 wins first two seasons at Buffalo.

 

[redken]

It isn't just Bobby's success at Buffalo this year that has people viewing him as a legit candidate. It is the pedigree - grew up under one of the best coaches at any level, smart and determined players (who maximized all of his tools), from the area, played under a legendary coach, etc, etc. That, plus their on-the-court success, is why people are into both Hurley brothers. And given their Dad's history, I think some view St. John's as a job that one or both would view as a long term options.

I think people are getting ahead of themselves with the Hurley's. Not saying either or both won't be very successful, I am just saying people are speculating a bit much here.

Excuse me, but didn't Bobby Hurley's team lose today? And putting that aside, what has he accomplished in the ever-powerful Mid-American Conference over the past few years that merits his even being considered as head coach of St. John's ... which, if I understand correctly, is a member of one of college basketball's elite conference?

So if a Triple A baseball player hits.350 with 50 hrs and 140 rbi s don't bring him up to majors cause he hasn't done anything at that level.

If you can't see the lack of logic in your metaphor -- and an extremely poor one at that, especially given the absurdly ridiculous numbers you cited (Hurley's comparable numbers are no where near there; not even close!) -- then there's no way I can explain it to you. Please!

 

[Marillac]

If we somehow landed Bobby Hurley and it didn't work out, I could live with that. Everything in his past says he will not only do well, but he will excel in this role. He is the exact opposite of Norm Roberts.

He might be a guy we see on the sidelines for twenty years.

 

[romiSJU]

If we somehow landed Bobby Hurley and it didn't work out, I could live with that. Everything in his past says he will not only do well, but he will excel in this role. He is the exact opposite of Norm Roberts.

He might be a guy we see on the sidelines for twenty years.

That would be great.

 

[Marillac]

It isn't just Bobby's success at Buffalo this year that has people viewing him as a legit candidate. It is the pedigree - grew up under one of the best coaches at any level, smart and determined players (who maximized all of his tools), from the area, played under a legendary coach, etc, etc. That, plus their on-the-court success, is why people are into both Hurley brothers. And given their Dad's history, I think some view St. John's as a job that one or both would view as a long term options.

I think people are getting ahead of themselves with the Hurley's. Not saying either or both won't be very successful, I am just saying people are speculating a bit much here.

Excuse me, but didn't Bobby Hurley's team lose today? And putting that aside, what has he accomplished in the ever-powerful Mid-American Conference over the past few years that merits his even being considered as head coach of St. John's ... which, if I understand correctly, is a member of one of college basketball's elite conference?

So if a Triple A baseball player hits.350 with 50 hrs and 140 rbi s don't bring him up to majors cause he hasn't done anything at that level.

If you can't see the lack of logic in your metaphor -- and an extremely poor one at that, especially given the absurdly ridiculous numbers you cited (Hurley's comparable numbers are no where near there; not even close!) -- then there's no way I can explain it to you. Please!

Holtmann was coaching Gardner-Webb last season with only three years of experience as a head coach (two awful losing years) and never reached an NCAA tournament. He's about to go to the Sweet 16 out of the mighty Big East.

 

[bamafan]

It isn't just Bobby's success at Buffalo this year that has people viewing him as a legit candidate. It is the pedigree - grew up under one of the best coaches at any level, smart and determined players (who maximized all of his tools), from the area, played under a legendary coach, etc, etc. That, plus their on-the-court success, is why people are into both Hurley brothers. And given their Dad's history, I think some view St. John's as a job that one or both would view as a long term options.

I think people are getting ahead of themselves with the Hurley's. Not saying either or both won't be very successful, I am just saying people are speculating a bit much here.

Excuse me, but didn't Bobby Hurley's team lose today? And putting that aside, what has he accomplished in the ever-powerful Mid-American Conference over the past few years that merits his even being considered as head coach of St. John's ... which, if I understand correctly, is a member of one of college basketball's elite conference?

So if a Triple A baseball player hits.350 with 50 hrs and 140 rbi s don't bring him up to majors cause he hasn't done anything at that level.

If you can't see the lack of logic in your metaphor -- and an extremely poor one at that, especially given the absurdly ridiculous numbers you cited (Hurley's comparable numbers are no where near there; not even close!) -- then there's no way I can explain it to you. Please!

Bottom line is the same. You don't want to give someone a chance whose track record is from a lower level. Did not mean to equate those numbers with Hurleys, those his are still very good. Since you said please I say you are welcome.

 

[Poeman]

If we somehow landed Bobby Hurley and it didn't work out, I could live with that. Everything in his past says he will not only do well, but he will excel in this role. He is the exact opposite of Norm Roberts.

He might be a guy we see on the sidelines for twenty years.

I just want to see good team basketball that raises the bar of the team overall...We don't need the most talented players, just the right players.

Which is why I love seeing mid-majors and smaller schools with good coaches find ways to take players and turn them into stars.

 

[MJDinkins]

No Masiello, No Amaker, and still not quite sure about the Hurley's.

Greg Marshall, Archie Miller, or even Ben Howland, if the powers that be decides to move on from Lavin.

 

[Class of 72]

Lavin should go back to tv.Get one of the Hurleys young passionate good x and o guy local connections it seems to be a no brainer .

First, let me welcome you to our asylum. Your 2nd post and you summarized in one sentence what a few here would take up bandwidth with Fun length essays. Most would agree with you tonight or this morning wherever you are since we experts don't take losing easy and I am sure one or two have beaten their wives, kicked their dogs or worse. I am sure the crew that is in Charlotte are still getting shit faced and having the same conversation about the next coach who, by our experts consensus, seems to be Bobby Rat Face Hurley, a rat face protégé and famous alum of Dooke, a hated rival that is everything we are not nor ever will be. While not as passionate as brother Danny and more of a horse gambling million dollar loan defaulting business man (failed), Bobby does appear to know his x's and o's having learned from the best while Danny was psychologically abused by PJ Carlesimo at Seton Hall, and who had a similar meteoric rise to coaching fame having coached at Wagner College. What a small coincidental world indeed!
Though it may appear that either Hurley is a "no brainer" as you so technically put it, I think the search committee, that thankfully will not be comprised of any of us numbsculls, may look to the national stage before they hire "the local guy" with "local connections" to grow the brand Steve Lavin started after Norm Roberts discounted our basketball image to the point fans would throw the free tee shirts thrown to them back to the poor pep squad. Some are already thinking mid-major salary range with their mid-major choice of coach. Paultzman imitator Mr. Knight asked "Is Bobby Hurley a cheap get? Ie. 5 yrs/500k ea." ? Now that's thinking BIG in the new Big East where the better coaches are earning over $1 million already. As much as Bobby would want to leave that sewer of a city Buffalo in a New York City minute, I don't think that salary will buy him his new stable of horses.
As for all the hope Bobby will fill our roster with future Jersey boys, I think we will have better luck hiring Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons. You see newbie, Bobby Hurley will be going into his 3rd year at SUNY Buffalo and his current team had not one Jersey boy and the only New York kid, Will Regan, from Buffalo, who was a senior who was recruited by his predecessor. His recruiting of NY/NJ talent has been [strike]not so impressive[/strike] horrendous. This of course leads us all back to the great job he has done in the one-seed MAC. The competition there has been at a level only a "Hurley " could have succeeded in and his 23-10 record is all the proof I need to convince me he will be a huge upgrade to Steve Lavin in the 2nd toughest league in America and whose 5 man team only had a 21-12 record compared to Bobby's phenomenal achievement at Buffalo. ....in the MAC, with their incredible OOC schedule. They achieved major recognition losing to Kentucky early before losing to the likes of St. Bonaventure, Akron, Eastern & Western Michigan etc.
Count me as one of the non-conformists here when I say PASS even though my idol here Paultzman has already changed his avatar to one ugly ass muttafkr who looks like he missed a few Prozac dosages.
I feel bad for the wizard. Nothing but bad luck has followed his tenure here what with cancer, top 50 recruits lost to vultures' rumors he was dying and a crack Compliance Office that wouldn't know a transcript from a Transgender. Yes, I am implying that the loss of Keith Thomas made us small and vulnerable and Chris [strike]Marley[/strike] Obekpa screwed his coach and his teammates and sabotaged their dreams.
I only hope if Steve Lavin is to be replaced we at St. John's don't think small in the Big East because we would not want Val (I am neutral) Ackerman staying "disappointed" with what she and the new Big East were hoping would be a flagship program in the capital of the Big East and Madison Square Garden.

Again, welcome aboard and enjoy the insanity. Our motto is "I am right and everybody else is a schmuck".

 

[22057]

Who is evaluating Steve Lavin ? Hope it isn't the athletic dept. heads.

 

[paultzman]

Assuming Lavin leaves, I believe we will have some quality guys to choose from. There is always is risk in any selection. Although I changed my Avi to Bobby Hurley, I am not fixated on him & acknowledge, despite his pedigree & recent HC success, he would be no sure thing either.

We've been bit in the rear in the past choosing the right coach, so I would be very interested in who would lead the selection process. With the 24/7 rigors of modern day coaching, I believe in taking a reasonable chance with rising coaches, not retreads. That said, bring in guys from various points along the spectrum & go from there. We can argue endlessly about "flavors of the month", former coaches, etc., but at the end of the day all we can hope for is that the selection process is professionally administered to mitigate risk & maximize our chances for success.

First things first, let's see what administration decides to do with our current coach. At the end of the day I will support that decision & continue to take years off my life as a SJU fan.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Assuming Lavin leaves, I believe we will have some quality guys to choose from. There is always is risk in any selection. Although I changed my Avi to Bobby Hurley, I am not fixated on him & acknowledge, despite his pedigree & recent HC success, he would be no sure thing either.

We've been bit in the rear in the past choosing the right coach, so I would be very interested in who would lead the selection process. With the 24/7 rigors of modern day coaching, I believe in taking a reasonable chance with rising coaches, not retreads. That said, bring in guys from various points along the spectrum & go from there. We can argue endlessly about "flavors of the month", former coaches, etc., but at the end of the day all we can hope for is that the selection process is professionally administered to mitigate risk & maximize our chances for success.

First things first, let's see what administration decides to do with our current coach. At the end of the day I will support that decision & continue to take years off my life as a SJU fan.

Amen, Paultz. Well said. Reflects my feelings well, now that I have had time to get past what happened last night.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

Bobby Hurley played a closer game with SUNY Buffalo against a #5 seed than Lavin's Big East teams did against an 11 seed and an 8 seed.

Is there really a comparison here?

Yes at this point you would have to say Lavin is much more accomplished. Hurley might be great, but again...If they hired him I am sure I would be fine with it but would be the equivalent of trading away a pitcher who is a 15 game winner for a very good prospect. It is not a no brainer.

I totally understand your reservations about an unproven coach, but I think you are selling Hurley's experience short. He jumped the line to get to where he was at Wagner, but three years as a lead assistant and two very successful years as a head coach is pretty good experience. He's won everywhere he's been! Undefeated in high school, two national championships at Duke, 25-6 at Wagner, and 42 wins first two seasons at Buffalo.

I can't give him credit for the Wagner numbers, they belong to Danny. One thing both Hurleys have that you did not mention is paternity. These guys have probably forgotten more about basketball strategy than most of us will ever know.

 

[mkras99]

Assuming Lavin leaves, I believe we will have some quality guys to choose from. There is always is risk in any selection. Although I changed my Avi to Bobby Hurley, I am not fixated on him & acknowledge, despite his pedigree & recent HC success, he would be no sure thing either.

We've been bit in the rear in the past choosing the right coach, so I would be very interested in who would lead the selection process. With the 24/7 rigors of modern day coaching, I believe in taking a reasonable chance with rising coaches, not retreads. That said, bring in guys from various points along the spectrum & go from there. We can argue endlessly about "flavors of the month", former coaches, etc., but at the end of the day all we can hope for is that the selection process is professionally administered to mitigate risk & maximize our chances for success.

First things first, let's see what administration decides to do with our current coach. At the end of the day I will support that decision & continue to take years off my life as a SJU fan.

Amen, Paultz. Well said. Reflects my feelings well, now that I have had time to get past what happened last night.

Either way they go, let's hope the admin makes their decision shortly (this week). Only hurts the program to let this drag out.

 

[we are sju]

Assuming Lavin leaves, I believe we will have some quality guys to choose from. There is always is risk in any selection. Although I changed my Avi to Bobby Hurley, I am not fixated on him & acknowledge, despite his pedigree & recent HC success, he would be no sure thing either.

We've been bit in the rear in the past choosing the right coach, so I would be very interested in who would lead the selection process. With the 24/7 rigors of modern day coaching, I believe in taking a reasonable chance with rising coaches, not retreads. That said, bring in guys from various points along the spectrum & go from there. We can argue endlessly about "flavors of the month", former coaches, etc., but at the end of the day all we can hope for is that the selection process is professionally administered to mitigate risk & maximize our chances for success.

First things first, let's see what administration decides to do with our current coach. At the end of the day I will support that decision & continue to take years off my life as a SJU fan.

I am feeling Miller right now but something tells me he might have bigger expectation for himself at this point.
For what it is worth:
1. Miller
2. Howland
3. Keep Lavin / Bobby Hurley tie

Bielein in trouble?

 

[kranmars]

No Masiello, No Amaker, and still not quite sure about the Hurley's.

Greg Marshall, Archie Miller, or even Ben Howland, if the powers that be decides to move on from Lavin.

I agree. Howland is my first choice, followed by Marshall and Miller (who are both 1A to me). Howland is on no way a retread.

Built the Pittsburgh program. Made UCLA a top program again, which is not as easy as it sounds.

I think Howland would still be able to sell a couple of big to come here because he has done well developing them in the past. His Pitt teams always had lunch pail bigs who excelled in their roles. Plus, he will get the best of the players we already have. That alone means next season is not a lost one.

I am still nervous anout the Hurleys. Although it would make for an amusing reality show. Imagine watching how uncomfortable Thanksgiving dinner would be at the Hurleys when Bobby tries to get an explanation from dad as to why he can't get any kids from St. Anthony's to SJU.

In the end, I will support the next coach. I may even make a couple of appearances at the Garden with the kids. But I am not going to bother if things remain the same. In that case, I will just continue on my merry apathetic ways. It saved me this year.

 

[Red2395]

Coach Lavin has my support. I hope he gets the extension.

Go St. John's