Next Coach?

They went in Cooley's huddle a few times and it's not like the guy is a professor. One huddle he only repeated "challenge every shot" at different volumes, with different tones, and in different ways.
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

Zach shouldn't be brought back. Journalists are supposed to report in a neutral fashion. Zach's bias is clear and he panders to the anti-Lavin crowd which he mistakenly believes is the majority just because they are the most vocal on WFAN, Redmen, and JJ.

That quote by Zach is just absurd. We missed 3rd place by a four point loss to Butler due to Rysheed not playing.

When you say that he "mistakenly believes is the majority.....", do you have some statistics to show that it's not the majority? Or is that just your "unbiased" opinion?

It is clearly my opinion. Does that really need to be qualified? It's a message board so you should assume every post begins with "In my opinion...."

When you proclaim that he panders to the anti-lavin crowd because he mistakenly thinks they're the majority, I am just wondering where you came up with that? I have no idea one way or the other what the split is. If I had to guess I would put it at 50//50. And when I say that I mean people who think Lavin is the long term answer and those who don't. Of course then there's the proverbial "don't know" group.

Monte, I have no idea what the % split is. I know that some very good fans and very good posters have been driven away by the constant negativity on these boards. I personally know several.

The tone of the tweets to Zach and posts on JJ and Redmen is very negative, but most negative people seem to be the most vocal and many have multiple screen names. I think the fans that show up to games is generally pro-Lavin while it is probably closer to 50/50 on Redmen and JJ, but after a loss it feels a lot more like 95/5 anti-Lavin.

Easy way to handle this. Run a poll.
But wait till after the season to do it. I don't want people's heads to explode.
But I guarantee you the majority doesn't want to extend SL.

By the way, you to send me the link to those red shoes on ebay. I'm a man of my word, and ill buy them when our name is announced on sunday.
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

I wouldn't classify it as a resounding success Jack.
Considering the circumstances, our most talented team in awhile, and senior laden with experience, it was a mediocre regular season.

Most talented team in a while???
This is exactly the same team that had a mental breakdown against Robert Morris and you should pay attention when folks post these seniors stats. None are great shooters and they lost most of their interior height. This team lost more talent than they gained and experience is an overblown wives tale. Talent wins not experience. Kentucky has two platoons of it. We have 5 players and two are not seniors. The rest of the team is walk on caliber.

Most talented team in a while? Drink up!
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

I wouldn't classify it as a resounding success Jack.
Considering the circumstances, our most talented team in awhile, and senior laden with experience, it was a mediocre regular season.

Desco. the regular season is what is projected to get this team to the NCAA - despite the poor showing yesterday. Mediocre does not get you a bid. Stick your other points. This one does not help your argument.

As for Zach, it is well known to any reader of this board that he and Lavin dislike each other since at least last year when Zach ran his piece that Lavin is not supported by influential supporters of the program - their poor relationship probably goes back further. I do think Lavin made a mistake going against the hoops writer of the one of the few local papers that cover local teams.
Accurate assessment of Zach/Lavin relationship. That said, they remain on the same SoHo bowling team. Go figure!

Lavin should buy him a new bowling ball.

And a new pocket protector. Braziller needs to stfu and quick.
Or what?

On a professional level not everyone at the Post is happy with the way he is letting his personal bias towards Lavin color the way he covers the team. I'll leave it at that.

I call BS on that.
And I can verify it real easily.

But the bigger issue is that somebody doesn't like reading things he disagrees with.
I didn't see you complaining about Megdal's story last week when he was praising Lavin. Now that someone is holding him accountable you're crying for unbiased journalists.
The next edition of the Post that is unbiased (or even qualifies as "journalism"), will be the first.

Check PM, Desco.
The Post is a joke...no argument there. As I have posted many times, they quoted me by name once about SJU from a personal conversation I had with a reporter who I was friends with (at the time). There is a line, though. Vaccaro is hard on Lavin, and I have nothing but respect for the guy. Braziller has an axe to grind and his act is getting very old. I don't mind puff pieces or critical stories, but Braziller piles in on Lavin and it is blatant and is clearly personal.
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

Zach shouldn't be brought back. Journalists are supposed to report in a neutral fashion. Zach's bias is clear and he panders to the anti-Lavin crowd which he mistakenly believes is the majority just because they are the most vocal on WFAN, Redmen, and JJ.

That quote by Zach is just absurd. We missed 3rd place by a four point loss to Butler due to Rysheed not playing.

I thought it was that close but we finished 10-8. The second and third place teams finished 12-6

Losing to DePaul and Creighton ring a bell?
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

Zach shouldn't be brought back. Journalists are supposed to report in a neutral fashion. Zach's bias is clear and he panders to the anti-Lavin crowd which he mistakenly believes is the majority just because they are the most vocal on WFAN, Redmen, and JJ.

That quote by Zach is just absurd. We missed 3rd place by a four point loss to Butler due to Rysheed not playing.

I thought it was that close but we finished 10-8. The second and third place teams finished 12-6

Well, if Sheed played and we beat Butler instead of losing by four, we would both then be 11-7. It just shows how close everything was 2-6 this year in the Big East. His tweet was pointless. To make it seem like there was some huge discrepancy between 3rd in 5th is disingenuous at best.
 


Zach has a personal problem with Lavin. How does he know that no one has spoken to Lavin about an extension ? Did our President call up Zach and say he was not talking about Lavin's future at St Johns. Zach continues to look for anything to complain about regarding. He still hasn't gotten over not hearing from Rysheed, smh.
I lost respect for Zach at the beginning of the year when he wrote a column stating that Lavin wanted to leave St Johns and go back to ESPN. He allowed himself to be used as a tool by others who had their own agenda regarding Lavin. Sometimes I think that Avon and his Daddy proof read Zach's columns before they go to print.
 


Zach has a personal problem with Lavin. How does he know that no one has spoken to Lavin about an extension ? Did our President call up Zach and say he was not talking about Lavin's future at St Johns. Zach continues to look for anything to complain about regarding. He still hasn't gotten over not hearing from Rysheed, smh.
I lost respect for Zach at the beginning of the year when he wrote a column stating that Lavin wanted to leave St Johns and go back to ESPN. He allowed himself to be used as a tool by others who had their own agenda regarding Lavin. Sometimes I think that Avon and his Daddy proof read Zach's columns before they go to print.

On that I think he has a real source. I've heard that Monasch has told people all year that no talks are ongoing and the situation will be evaluated after the season. That appears to be the official sju line. So there's no reason to think zach is making that part up.

His anti Lavin streak? Eh, I don't see it. But reasonable minds can disagree on that.
 
It is funny to me how a week ago, people were saying this thread should be locked or deleted because everything was so great with the team. A week later and its almost like it was with Norm where SJU fans were actively rooting for us to lose so he would be fired. I wouldnt be surprised if some Xtreme Lavin haters out there hope we get crushed in the opening round just to make him look bad.
 
Honestly, this job sucks. Who would coach here? We have awful attendance. Providence fans take off two days of work, pay for airfare or gas, and hotels to support their team. We have guys who really believe that it is harder to take 1/2 day for STJ fans.

We kill every coach we have as fans. The AAU and high school coaches have personal agendas and feel slighted at the smallest of issues. Do we really need "reporters" doing the same to our coach?
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

Zach shouldn't be brought back. Journalists are supposed to report in a neutral fashion. Zach's bias is clear and he panders to the anti-Lavin crowd which he mistakenly believes is the majority just because they are the most vocal on WFAN, Redmen, and JJ.

That quote by Zach is just absurd. We missed 3rd place by a four point loss to Butler due to Rysheed not playing.

When you say that he "mistakenly believes is the majority.....", do you have some statistics to show that it's not the majority? Or is that just your "unbiased" opinion?

Let's face it boys (and Linda Mirabella) there are dozens of vocal Steve Lavin haters that mimic each other like copy cat killers on social media. Many are pathological head cases while some have sincere concerns over the St. John's basketball program. There are a handful that are both and they are mounting a holy crusade to dislodge this infidel from Lou Carnesecca's mythical throne. 
Quite a cast of characters with most hiding behind multiple screen names except for the ever intrepid Sammy who doesn't give a fck what anyone thinks and who is the leader of the crusaders.  Sammy religiously attends Sunday Mass before proceeding to vilify his arch enemy Steve (but it's nothing personal) Lavin.  He sees himself as the ultimate judge of good character.  The problem is he has been such a poor judge of character in the past that relying on his opinion on Lavin is not for the faint of heart.  You see, this is the same Maven know it all that befriended Bob Oliva for years, kissed Ernie Lorch's ring and still is friends with the blowhard Mike Jarvis and family.  Now everyone I know who knew Bob Oliva knew he was a creepy guy but not Sammy. 
 His heir apparent, formerly Hit the Gym Slob, formerly Avon Barksdale, now "The Party's Over" on Twitter uses the exact same words and phraseology as the big fella.  He too has "forgotten more about basketball than" blah, blah, blah.      Hit/Avon/Party is fond of calling fellow fans out for hiding behind screen names. Go figure but all crusaders use shields to defend themselves against non believers and to block counter attacks.  In their insulated world of world-wide Web social media these social misfits also are so self-righteous that they cannot tolerate dissent from their views and proceed to block others from the discussion. They conveniently take a page out of the North Korean form of "social" media to manipulate the media to seem like they are the majority. This insular group of crusaders follow each others cues and retweet each others anti Lavin propaganda with little originality.
They occasionally resurface on Johnny Jungle and Redmen.com to rub salt into the wounds of the non believers then retreat at the sign of any good news regarding the team, the coach or future recruits. 
So, if that crusading group of Marco/Ricky/Baldi/Theo/Avon/Sammy/Gonzo appears like the majority that interact with Zach it may be because Zach has been annointed the media voice of the crusaders and should Lavin be given an extension or have any level of success, they will retreat to their Malta and live on a rocky relationship island for years to come. No visitors welcome! When the old king eventually dies they will have no reason to interact with any St. John's supporters any longer.  They will still live their basketball alter egos by making believe that they are part of some "wildcat" nation but they will be dead to us.
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"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

Zach shouldn't be brought back. Journalists are supposed to report in a neutral fashion. Zach's bias is clear and he panders to the anti-Lavin crowd which he mistakenly believes is the majority just because they are the most vocal on WFAN, Redmen, and JJ.

That quote by Zach is just absurd. We missed 3rd place by a four point loss to Butler due to Rysheed not playing.

When you say that he "mistakenly believes is the majority.....", do you have some statistics to show that it's not the majority? Or is that just your "unbiased" opinion?

It is clearly my opinion. Does that really need to be qualified? It's a message board so you should assume every post begins with "In my opinion...."

When you proclaim that he panders to the anti-lavin crowd because he mistakenly thinks they're the majority, I am just wondering where you came up with that? I have no idea one way or the other what the split is. If I had to guess I would put it at 50//50. And when I say that I mean people who think Lavin is the long term answer and those who don't. Of course then there's the proverbial "don't know" group.

Monte, I have no idea what the % split is. I know that some very good fans and very good posters have been driven away by the constant negativity on these boards. I personally know several.

The tone of the tweets to Zach and posts on JJ and Redmen is very negative, but most negative people seem to be the most vocal and many have multiple screen names. I think the fans that show up to games is generally pro-Lavin while it is probably closer to 50/50 on Redmen and JJ, but after a loss it feels a lot more like 95/5 anti-Lavin.

See Marillac I still don't get how good posters let negative posts drive them away. We all have certain posters who get under our skin. Why not just take what they say with a grain of salt, or completely ignore then all together? There is one in particular poster who I tend to avoid. Almost all of his posts are criticisms of how others post and seem to only intend to provoke. He's got absolutely nothing of any substance to add here. So whenever I see his name I skip over his post or give it a quick glance. There are far far more great posters on here than bad ones. No offense to those who bailed, but maybe they ought to lighten up a little.
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

Zach shouldn't be brought back. Journalists are supposed to report in a neutral fashion. Zach's bias is clear and he panders to the anti-Lavin crowd which he mistakenly believes is the majority just because they are the most vocal on WFAN, Redmen, and JJ.

That quote by Zach is just absurd. We missed 3rd place by a four point loss to Butler due to Rysheed not playing.

When you say that he "mistakenly believes is the majority.....", do you have some statistics to show that it's not the majority? Or is that just your "unbiased" opinion?

Let's face it boys (and Linda Mirabella) there are dozens of vocal Steve Lavin haters that mimic each other like copy cat killers on social media. Many are pathological head cases while some have sincere concerns over the St. John's basketball program. There are a handful that are both and they are mounting a holy crusade to dislodge this infidel from Lou Carnesecca's mythical throne. 
Quite a cast of characters with most hiding behind multiple screen names except for the ever intrepid Sammy who doesn't give a fck what anyone thinks and who is the leader of the crusaders.  Sammy religiously attends Sunday Mass before proceeding to vilify his arch enemy Steve (but it's nothing personal) Lavin.  He sees himself as the ultimate judge of good character.  The problem is he has been such a poor judge of character in the past that relying on his opinion on Lavin is not for the faint of heart.  You see, this is the same Maven know it all that befriended Bob Oliva for years, kissed Ernie Lorch's ring and still is friends with the blowhard Mike Jarvis and family.  Now everyone I know who knew Bob Oliva knew he was a creepy guy but not Sammy. 
 His heir apparent, formerly Hit the Gym Slob, formerly Avon Barksdale, now "The Party's Over" on Twitter uses the exact same words and phraseology as the big fella.  He too has "forgotten more about basketball than" blah, blah, blah.      Hit/Avon/Party is fond of calling fellow fans out for hiding behind screen names. Go figure but all crusaders use shields to defend themselves against non believers and to block counter attacks.  In their insulated world of world-wide Web social media these social misfits also are so self-righteous that they cannot tolerate dissent from their views and proceed to block others from the discussion. They conveniently take a page out of the North Korean form of "social" media to manipulate the media to seem like they are the majority. This insular group of crusaders follow each others cues and retweet each others anti Lavin propaganda with little originality.
They occasionally resurface on Johnny Jungle and Redmen.com to rub salt into the wounds of the non believers then retreat at the sign of any good news regarding the team, the coach or future recruits. 
So, if that crusading group of Marco/Ricky/Baldi/Theo/Avon/Sammy/Gonzo appears like the majority that interact with Zach it may be because Zach has been annointed the media voice of the crusaders and should Lavin be given an extension or have any level of success, they will retreat to their Malta and live on a rocky relationship island for years to come. No visitors welcome! When the old king eventually dies they will have no reason to interact with any St. John's supporters any longer.  They will still live their basketball alter egos by making believe that they are part of some "wildcat" nation but they will be dead to us.
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LoL!! This is hilarious!
 
If we go after another coach, it NEEDS to be a major impact big name coach. Not a coach at these mid majors who will have mid major recruits lined up for the next couple years. At least Lavin has Sampson and possibly a couple other major recruits.

I'm not saying Lavin is a fantastic coach but this is a grass is always greener situation. If we wanted to take a shot on a mid major coach it would've been this year when we had a formidable roster.
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

I wouldn't classify it as a resounding success Jack.
Considering the circumstances, our most talented team in awhile, and senior laden with experience, it was a mediocre regular season.
Considering we had a 6 man team with no size, we did as well as can be expected...you can ssign blame to the coach for only having 6 serviceable players but that is a different issue...
 
"Despite being picked by the league’s coaches to finish third, Lavin led the Johnnies (21-11) to a fifth-place finish."

Come on zach, are you really gonna try to make it sound like the regular season was a failure ??

I wouldn't classify it as a resounding success Jack.
Considering the circumstances, our most talented team in awhile, and senior laden with experience, it was a mediocre regular season.
Considering we had a 6 man team with no size, we did as well as can be expected...you can ssign blame to the coach for only having 6 serviceable players but that is a different issue...
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Agreed, but a poor showing in our first game of the tourney and IMO this season cannot be viewed as much of a success. Yes its great that we're going to be dancing, but ending the season with three straight poor performances(if in fact we don't show up next week) will all but negate whatever success we've achieved this year.
 
I am not sure how I feel about Lavin. It's very up and down. I do like the fact that if we make a change, having our new President involved should be an asset. I'm not sure if this was posted, but last week on Twitter I saw President Gempesaw taking selfie photos with the women's team at the Big East tournament. Nice to see that he made the effort and hopefully shows that he realizes the importance of our sports program.
 
They went in Cooley's huddle a few times and it's not like the guy is a professor. One huddle he only repeated "challenge every shot" at different volumes, with different tones, and in different ways.

They just went in to Wright's huddle and he said "lets just keep on doing what we do". He actually said that twice. Any coach with half a brain isn't going to say much when they know the mic is on them.
 
Honestly, this job sucks. Who would coach here? We have awful attendance. Providence fans take off two days of work, pay for airfare or gas, and hotels to support their team. We have guys who really believe that it is harder to take 1/2 day for STJ fans.

We kill every coach we have as fans. The AAU and high school coaches have personal agendas and feel slighted at the smallest of issues. Do we really need "reporters" doing the same to our coach?
Who would want to be a fan here when fellow fans like you are always bitchin about the fans? :unsure:
 
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