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Tim Cluess

Suffolk CC: 22-10

CW Post: 19-11, 25-5, 30-1, 23-6. Winning pct: .810

Iona: 25-12,25-8, 20-14, 22-11, 26-9 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT apparrances. Winning pct: .686
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No disputing the fact he has won everywhere he has been including his St. Mary's HS days.
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Truly impressive. The one thing that gives me pause is that until Iona, his previous jobs set him up to dominate at the following job. A roster of St. Mary's kids on either CW Post or Nassau is just unfair and would dominate both leagues. It's not just the St. Mary's kids either, over the years he built relationships with coaches at other powerhouses and getting the 2nd or third best players on those teams would be more than enough to win 20+ games each year at either school. Off the top of my head I know his one of his best players at Post was Gil Montalvo from St. Mary's.

Iona is a different story entirely, but he inherited a 21-win team from a coach that performed well enough to be hired in the Big East.

I like his creative recruiting approach--something Lavin sorely lacked--of transfers and JUCOs, but is that sustainable at the Big East level?

The one thing you can say is that he's never lost. That is pretty damn impressive. I wouldn't be upset if he came on board. I don't think he'd have the national recruiting prowess of Lavin, but we would become transfer U.
 
Absolutely crazy day. I no doubt posted more times today than in any other day before ... all at the expense of getting zero work done. Time to call it a day; days, if not weeks, of bitching, moaning, lamenting, debating, pleading, praying, and hoping to come.
 
Tim Cluess

Suffolk CC: 22-10

CW Post: 19-11, 25-5, 30-1, 23-6

Iona: 25-12,25-8, 20-14, 22-11, 26-9 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT appearrances
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Has won 85% and 77% of his conference games. He worked full time in a real job while coaching till he was hired by Nova.

Beast, do you think he would leave Iona, or would he remain there out of loyalty to them?
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It's a good question. My impression of him is that he's a very high integrity guy, with a strong internal moral compass. After just being extended he may be off the market. Then again, in coaching, you have to strike when a great opportunity presents itself.

Despite a not so easy commute and a nice bump in income, TC has lived a relatively modest life in the same home 10 minutes from SJU. I can't think of a more perfect situation for him than SJU, but then again, he is secure as heck at Iona without the headaches that go with our job.

Bottom line, if offered, I think he comes here. What do you think?
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I don't know. There are people who turn down money and stay put. Hurley's father for one
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One more Cluess story. Omitted from his record is his one quarter of coaching my FP indians 4th grade team to a championship in the finals. I got tossed for correctly keeping track of our opponent who had played his best players too many minutes (against the rules). Cluess stepped in when they threw us both out of the gym, and our boys won against steep odds. that should count in his record, although I do think I deserved that win.
 
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Tim Cluess

Suffolk CC: 22-10

CW Post: 19-11, 25-5, 30-1, 23-6. Winning pct: .810

Iona: 25-12,25-8, 20-14, 22-11, 26-9 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT apparrances. Winning pct: .686
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No disputing the fact he has won everywhere he has been including his St. Mary's HS days.
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Truly impressive. The one thing that gives me pause is that until Iona, his previous jobs set him up to dominate at the following job. A roster of St. Mary's kids on either CW Post or Nassau is just unfair and would dominate both leagues. It's not just the St. Mary's kids either, over the years he built relationships with coaches at other powerhouses and getting the 2nd or third best players on those teams would be more than enough to win 20+ games each year at either school. Off the top of my head I know his one of his best players at Post was Gil Montalvo from St. Mary's.

Iona is a different story entirely, but he inherited a 21-win team from a coach that performed well enough to be hired in the Big East.

I like his creative recruiting approach--something Lavin sorely lacked--of transfers and JUCOs, but is that sustainable at the Big East level?

The one thing you can say is that he's never lost. That is pretty damn impressive. I wouldn't be upset if he came on board. I don't think he'd have the national recruiting prowess of Lavin, but we would become transfer U.
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He could be like Louie with one or two transfers a year. I think the difference is that there are not as many top local kids coming back home.
 
Cluess will only be an option if Mullin, both Hurleys, and then several second-tier candidates are unavailable or uninterested. For whatever reason, he is not viewed as a realistic candidate for the SJU job (except by some posters here and elsewhere).
 
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Tim Cluess

Suffolk CC: 22-10

CW Post: 19-11, 25-5, 30-1, 23-6. Winning pct: .810

Iona: 25-12,25-8, 20-14, 22-11, 26-9 2 NCAA appearances, 2 NIT apparrances. Winning pct: .686
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No disputing the fact he has won everywhere he has been including his St. Mary's HS days.
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Truly impressive. The one thing that gives me pause is that until Iona, his previous jobs set him up to dominate at the following job. A roster of St. Mary's kids on either CW Post or Nassau is just unfair and would dominate both leagues. It's not just the St. Mary's kids either, over the years he built relationships with coaches at other powerhouses and getting the 2nd or third best players on those teams would be more than enough to win 20+ games each year at either school. Off the top of my head I know his one of his best players at Post was Gil Montalvo from St. Mary's.

Iona is a different story entirely, but he inherited a 21-win team from a coach that performed well enough to be hired in the Big East.

I like his creative recruiting approach--something Lavin sorely lacked--of transfers and JUCOs, but is that sustainable at the Big East level?

The one thing you can say is that he's never lost. That is pretty damn impressive. I wouldn't be upset if he came on board. I don't think he'd have the national recruiting prowess of Lavin, but we would become transfer U.
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He could be like Louie with one or two transfers a year. I think the difference is that there are not as many top local kids coming back home.
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He'd figure it out. I don't think he'd be recruiting many Kellenberg or Chaminade kids - the immature Marianists refused to play St. Mary's after he repeatedly beat them by 50-80 points. Other than that, he'd resonate with NYC area HS coaches, with whom there would be mutual respect since he was one of them, played in the same gyms.

Cluess actually quit coaching St, Mary's for a week or two one season. The Marianists complained to St. Mary's principal after a Cluess led team beat Chaminade or Kellenberg (I don't remember) by about 75 points. The principal put a note in Cluess' mailbox dressing him down for winning by so much. Cluess was incensed that the principal didn't have the courtesy to speak to him in person, and that he was given a directive to keep the scores closer. So he quit for a couple of weeks, but came to all their games and rooted for them from the stands.
 
Cluess will only be an option if Mullin, both Hurleys, and then several second-tier candidates are unavailable or uninterested. For whatever reason, he is not viewed as a realistic candidate for the SJU job (except by some posters here and elsewhere).
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Cluess in conference record: Post: 67-12 (.848) Iona: 73-21 (.777) Pretty sick.
 
Cluess will only be an option if Mullin, both Hurleys, and then several second-tier candidates are unavailable or uninterested. For whatever reason, he is not viewed as a realistic candidate for the SJU job (except by some posters here and elsewhere).
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Cluess in conference record: Post: 67-12 (.848) Iona: 73-21 (.777) Pretty sick.
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My rec league coaching record: 11-1 (my star player wanted to go on a date with his girlfriend).
 
Mike Vacc for Danny H;

http://nypost.com/2015/03/27/st-johns-should-hire-danny-hurley-to-rebuild-the-program/
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No doubt Danny's done well at both Wagner and URI. The question is: How will he do when he's recruiting higher-level talent against the likes of Cal (whose signing of Briscoe dealt a crucial blow to Lavin's goal of building a program here), Pitino, Coach K, etc. -- the talent level he's going to need if St. John's is to be a perennial power in the BE?
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Who are the candidates being mentioned that have experience in recruiting higher level talent? Oh, right, no one. Which is why a big name like Mullin or two rebuilding jobs at the relatively highest level of the candidates for Dan Hurley makes them the most attractive candidates. Just seems like small minded thinking to me.
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If I'm "small-minded," austour, it's because I have a head the size of a fist. For the record, all I was doing was questioning whether Danny was up to recruiting at this level. A legitimate question I would think, and one we won't know the answer to until that time comes, when and if it does. Mullin, of course, would certainly be a draw for a lot of kids, at least initially, but, as I've noted in other posts, I don't see him taking the job -- not to be misconstrued as my being against his taking it; I think it would make a huge splash to have Mullin as the face of our program. FWIW, I think I'd prefer Bobby to Danny -- same coaching tree, no great disparity in coaching experience, similar connections to talent-rich NJ programs, greater name recognition; plus I'm not a big fan of Danny's sideline temper tantrums. Whatever. Hopefully, we'll know soon enough.
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I was talking about small minded thinking in the administration, but if the shoe fits you . . .
 
If the school is going to spend big $$$, I hope it's Billy Donovan.

I'd rather the school not break the bank on a coach. Therefore I want Danny Hurley.

Danny already has established NJ HS and AAU ties. He already has relationships with current NBA players. He has already landed an NBA prospect in EC Matthews. And he will bring sorely lacking discipline to the program.

Does he want a bigger job? Sure, who doesn't? But leave us in a good position before you leave is all that I ask.

Give him the keys and a solid Xs & Os guy and see what he can do within 5 years.

Cluess- No. Can't sustain winning and can't get guys to the NBA
Mullin- Nice, but no. I'd love him as an AD but not as a coach.
Bobby Hurley- I could see him falling into depression after the honeymoon phase wears off
Masiello- NO. I see him as a lesser version of Lavin. Big talk. Would be ready to bolt ASAP.
Mark Jackson- Yes, but won't happen.
McKillop- Yes, but won't happen.

It's gotta be Danny.
 
Cluess will only be an option if Mullin, both Hurleys, and then several second-tier candidates are unavailable or uninterested. For whatever reason, he is not viewed as a realistic candidate for the SJU job (except by some posters here and elsewhere).
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I agree that the job probably won't got to Cluess. Seems eerily similar to the Bob McKillop situation overs the years.
 
Cluess will only be an option if Mullin, both Hurleys, and then several second-tier candidates are unavailable or uninterested. For whatever reason, he is not viewed as a realistic candidate for the SJU job (except by some posters here and elsewhere).
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I agree that the job probably won't got to Cluess. Seems eerily similar to the Bob McKillop situation overs the years.
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Can't possibly see how either Hurley has a better resume than Cluess. I'd like to see what either does when key players leave and they have to restock. One good year does not make a sustainable program. Cluess' programs have all been sustainable
 
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