Next Coach?

Ok, so, someone just suggested to me that we look at Jeff Capel. I'm thinking he might be a better choice than Isaiah. (Btw, this one I'm serious about, Beast)
 
If the school is going to spend big $$$, I hope it's Billy Donovan.

I'd rather the school not break the bank on a coach. Therefore I want Danny Hurley.

Danny already has established NJ HS and AAU ties. He already has relationships with current NBA players. He has already landed an NBA prospect in EC Matthews. And he will bring sorely lacking discipline to the program.

Does he want a bigger job? Sure, who doesn't? But leave us in a good position before you leave is all that I ask.

Give him the keys and a solid Xs & Os guy and see what he can do within 5 years.

Cluess- No. Can't sustain winning and can't get guys to the NBA
Mullin- Nice, but no. I'd love him as an AD but not as a coach.
Bobby Hurley- I could see him falling into depression after the honeymoon phase wears off
Masiello- NO. I see him as a lesser version of Lavin. Big talk. Would be ready to bolt ASAP.
Mark Jackson- Yes, but won't happen.
McKillop- Yes, but won't happen.

It's gotta be Danny.

I'd like 2 things in the next coach.

1- A lifer. Someone who wants this job bad and will not leave for another job. The candidate you said above who would bolt ASAP would NOT bolt from this job. (Provided we continue to pay him if he succeeds). His failed move last year was because he knew this season would be a struggle at Manhattan and with a new AD he didn't get along with. His mindset was take USF and if his dream job opens up he can easily come home.

2- I want someone who can be embraced by the NYC community both fans and the bball people. For far too long its been divided and fractured. This is NYC's team and we need NYC bball people behind it.

Agree on point #2. Regarding a lifer, I just don't think you can ever count on that. That said factoring in likelihood the candidate would stick around a while is fair. I know I beat the Xavier model to death, but they do well, prepare for ascendency, but have coaching changes with reasonable frequency. If our coach hits it out of the park & gets a big offer, I will be content with the success we had under his direction and hope the job is so attractive, based on that success, to entice other quality folks.

Regarding our search, It appears that Mullin & Dan Hurley may be at the top of the shopping list. Assuming Chris comes with a great recruiter & other quality assistants, I would be happy. Danny Hurley, despite his temperament, would also work Imo. I also respect Bobby Hurley, but his name for the moment does not seem front & center. Lastly, although I often criticize his teams' porous defense, Cluess seems like a good candidate. He & his buddy Grasso obviously do well attracting guards & transfers, essentials in today's game. Kids love his up tempo style. If he can recruit at a higher level, perhaps it is worth a chance. Certainly he knows SJU & I sense this would be his last job.

All in all, I feel optimistic about the future with any of the above guys & for some reason feel this will unfold quickly.
 
Ok, so, someone just suggested to me that we look at Jeff Capel. I'm thinking he might be a better choice than Isaiah. (Btw, this one I'm serious about, Beast)
Capel? really ? I hear Steve Lavin is free, Id rather look at him.
Mullin or Bust!!!
 
I am hoping like everyone else here thst if mullin is the next coach that he will be very successful. But I still have serious doubts about yet another coaching change. I think many here simply live in the past and think that just by hiring mullin we will be a top 10 team. mullin won't be doing the shooting or passing. It looks like we already lost Sampson who will probably end up haunting us a la polle . The clock won't be turned back to 1985 by hiring someone who never coached before. I compare it to a baseball manager. People announcing or watching games often second guess moves but when you are in the hot seat it isn't that easy to manage. Mullin despite his background will have a lot to learn and will probably wind up being outsmarted by experienced coaches. this program is all.but dead and the school is counting on the mullin name to keep fans in the seats. We will soon be on the level of fordham or wagner.

The pessimism is unreal. Let's see how this plays out. Sometimes change bring good results. We haven't hired a coach and so many are scared. Don't lose the faith.

I agree keep the faith and somewhat related, for years schools (eg small non football Catholic etc) like Gonzaga could only dream of becoming the St Johns of the West! Now whomever the coach I wish St Johns can become the Gonzaga of the East!

Is there any reason we cannot be on a par w/ Gonzaga, Villanova et al?!? With a wise choice of coach we can.

All the best
 
Ok, so, someone just suggested to me that we look at Jeff Capel. I'm thinking he might be a better choice than Isaiah. (Btw, this one I'm serious about, Beast)
Capel? really ? I hear Steve Lavin is free, Id rather look at him.
Mullin or Bust!!!

Sorry Cappy, but knowing St. John's I think they are going to bust.
 
Capel narrowly escaped an NCAA mess and ran home to papa. A big state school like ASU could risk investing in him, St Johns could not.
 
There's two tiers.

Tier 2: the Hurleys, Mullin, Jackson, etc. The names listed often. They MAY be successful.

Tier 1: the unlikely big timers like Smart, Donovan, Pitino, Miller, etc. They WILL be successful.

We don't have the roster or time for an experiment. If they want guaranteed success, tier 1 is the only option.

I have no idea if Miller would come or not but the others on your Tier 1 list are not coming for multiple reasons.
 
Danny Hurley.

The game threads will be interesting after each tech he gets :)

do you really seeing this program sticking with this hot head for half-a-decade or more?

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.
Think we should go with Bobby instead of Jan Brady.

Interesting. Would be thrilled with either. But actually prefer Danny because he was the Jan Brady of players in the family; think he's that much more invested in being the Marsha of college coaches in the fam.

It was mostly a joke. I'd also be thrilled with either. I do think Bobby has the higher ceiling. Danny's temper scares me. Bobby is fiery but under control. Danny seems combustible to me.

If you were a recruit and you had back to back visits from Danny and Bobby (assuming equal caliber schools), what pitch would convince you as a player or father/coach? Danny, built largely as a coach, or Bobby, a winner through and through who has done it himself and can show the recruit how he did it personally? I know who I'd choose.

Mostly agree but watching Danny on the URI sidelines was bringing back memories of Fran decompensating all the way from STJ to New Mexico. I don't think one note guys handle big time Big East pressure in the media capital of the world and they certainly don't know how to avoid power struggles with players and they certainly don't make room for their players who are going through growing pains to come out the other side with grace and lifetime relationships with the people who helped guide them to adulthood. My Danny vibe is fair weather high energy go-getter and foul weather punitive jerk. No thanks.
 
Danny Hurley.

The game threads will be interesting after each tech he gets :)

do you really seeing this program sticking with this hot head for half-a-decade or more?

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.
Think we should go with Bobby instead of Jan Brady.

Interesting. Would be thrilled with either. But actually prefer Danny because he was the Jan Brady of players in the family; think he's that much more invested in being the Marsha of college coaches in the fam.

It was mostly a joke. I'd also be thrilled with either. I do think Bobby has the higher ceiling. Danny's temper scares me. Bobby is fiery but under control. Danny seems combustible to me.

If you were a recruit and you had back to back visits from Danny and Bobby (assuming equal caliber schools), what pitch would convince you as a player or father/coach? Danny, built largely as a coach, or Bobby, a winner through and through who has done it himself and can show the recruit how he did it personally? I know who I'd choose.

Mostly agree but watching Danny on the URI sidelines was bringing back memories of Fran decompensating all the way from STJ to New Mexico. I don't think one note guys handle big time Big East pressure in the media capital of the world and they certainly don't know how to avoid power struggles with players and they certainly don't make room for their players who are going through growing pains to come out the other side with grace and lifetime relationships with the people who helped guide them to adulthood. My Danny vibe is fair weather high energy go-getter and foul weather punitive jerk. No thanks.

That was my question about Danny Hurley. For those of you who have followed him and/or interacted with him in recent years what do you think?

I remember him as a player being mercurial and his on court demeanor as a coach is pretty tense. I welcome intensity over yoga and granola but there should be some safe zone between the extremes. Aside from worrying about him stroking out if he were our coach, how does this translate with players and working well with other staff and administration? high school coaches and parents?
 
I am not breaking a big "scoop" here as we have other posters who are very good at that but all you have to do is Google "Rick pitino sex scandal" to see why he would never get the SJU job, whether Repole is willing to pay his salary, or not. It won't matter with that against him.

And I would be all for pitino. You would be crazy not to be. But with that against him SJU won't pull the trigger.
 
HEARD ON MICHAEL KAY SHOW THE NEXT COACH COULD BE RICK PITINO,PATRICK EWING.. I NEARLY VOMITED... RICKS TOO OLD AND TOO MUCH=$5 MIL....EWING WAS JOHN THOMPSON STOOGE ,HENCHMAN,PLAYED DIRTY... BUT THAT ASIDE, THIS GUY TOOK UNTIMED TESTS AT G-TOWN... HE CANT THINK ON HIS FEET..WOULDN'T TAKE MULLIN...HASN'T COACHED BEFORE....AND WHEN IT COMES TIME TO FIRE HIM,WHO WANTS TO GET RID OF THIS SCHOOL'S GREATEST PLAYER(?)...PREFER DANNY OVER BOBBY HURLEY...WHEN COACH K JOB OPENS UP,BOBBY WILL JUMP,AS WELL AS AMAKER,CAPEL,ETC... DANNY WONT MAKE LATERAL TRANSFER TO THE HALL WHERE HE HAD SOME PROBLEMS..
 
I feel like some on here aren't willing to accept that it will be 2-3 years before we are competitive again. I don't mind it, we are rebuilding. I am fine with Danny or Mullin to come in and rebuild the program
 
I feel like some on here aren't willing to accept that it will be 2-3 years before we are competitive again. I don't mind it, we are rebuilding. I am fine with Danny or Mullin to come in and rebuild the program

a lot easier to say when you're in high school :) the rest of us could have dementia by then
 
I feel like some on here aren't willing to accept that it will be 2-3 years before we are competitive again. I don't mind it, we are rebuilding. I am fine with Danny or Mullin to come in and rebuild the program

I am willing to wait if that's what it takes to restore stability and sustained success to the program, however something tells me its going to happen sooner then many expect.
 
I feel like some on here aren't willing to accept that it will be 2-3 years before we are competitive again. I don't mind it, we are rebuilding. I am fine with Danny or Mullin to come in and rebuild the program

a lot easier to say when you're in high school :) the rest of us could have dementia by then
I would say an easy 73% of the people on here have dementia... or as they would like to say 'realists'.
 
Im sorry but the longer this goes on the more pissed I get. If your ridding yourself of a good guy ( Lavin ), you better have a plan in place already. If its Mullin or Danny Hurley, I saw MOST of us would be happy. Other than that, anyone else would be a let down imho. Now, whats taking so long ?
 
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