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[beast of the east]

This was reported in multiple news outlets as misdemeanor assault, which is described as threatening to cause bodily harm. From what I can determine no blows were struck. I don't know many/any programs that would take a player out off the court for a misdemeanor charge as opposed to a felony assault.

Thanks for adding your expertise to the matter. It was inferred in this discussion that the player in question caused bodily harm, but by the charge it appears a threat was made and nothing more. The direct inference here was that Cluess was somehow dirty or negligent by letting the kid play after a one game suspension.

Sorry, you're incorrect. There is no such crime as "misdemeanor assault." There is a crime called Assault 3rd, which is a misdemeanor. Assault 3 requires proof that the accused caused physical injury. There's nothing in the statute about threats. If no blow was struck he would have been charged with menacing or harassment.

As with anyone with a professional knowledge I yield to your expertise. However,

http://misdemeanorguide.com/Misdemeanor-assault.php

This and other references refer to the term misdemeanor assault. Thank you for clarifying and presenting NYS law.

This is why sometimes relying on the internet can be dangerous. To all, please don't use it to self diagnose.

It doesn't warrant any more discussion, but here is a NYS criminal defense firm who describe misdemeanor assault:

http://assaultdefenselawyer.com/assault-resources/felony-assault-vs-misdemeanor-assault/

I do believe that Fun accurately defined NYS penal code, but it appears that the term misdemeanor assault is used in NYS criminal law.

 

[simplyred]

This was reported in multiple news outlets as misdemeanor assault, which is described as threatening to cause bodily harm. From what I can determine no blows were struck. I don't know many/any programs that would take a player out off the court for a misdemeanor charge as opposed to a felony assault.

Thanks for adding your expertise to the matter. It was inferred in this discussion that the player in question caused bodily harm, but by the charge it appears a threat was made and nothing more. The direct inference here was that Cluess was somehow dirty or negligent by letting the kid play after a one game suspension.

Sorry, you're incorrect. There is no such crime as "misdemeanor assault." There is a crime called Assault 3rd, which is a misdemeanor. Assault 3 requires proof that the accused caused physical injury. There's nothing in the statute about threats. If no blow was struck he would have been charged with menacing or harassment.

As with anyone with a professional knowledge I yield to your expertise. However,

http://misdemeanorguide.com/Misdemeanor-assault.php

This and other references refer to the term misdemeanor assault. Thank you for clarifying and presenting NYS law.

This is why sometimes relying on the internet can be dangerous. To all, please don't use it to self diagnose.

It doesn't warrant any more discussion, but here is a NYS criminal defense firm who describe misdemeanor assault:

http://assaultdefenselawyer.com/assault-resources/felony-assault-vs-misdemeanor-assault/

I do believe that Fun accurately defined NYS penal code, but it appears that the term misdemeanor assault is used in NYS criminal law.

Beware of firms with 800- numbers, with no local number. They are likely an out of state firm that will refer the case to a local attorney and take a cut of the fee. It is common practice in the Negligence sphere but I guess it is expanding to other areas of law.

 

[JohnnyFan]

If this was anti-Lavin talk, people would be screaming that the thread has been hijacked.

 

[Jack Williams]

If this was anti-Lavin talk, people would be screaming that the thread has been hijacked.

Buddy, you're in a next coach thread. Talking about this is anti Lavin within itself. Please

 

[beast of the east]

If this was anti-Lavin talk, people would be screaming that the thread has been hijacked.

It's funny, you are one of the posters that gets more animated, more active, when it comes to accentuating everything that's wrong as opposed to celebrating what's right.

Everything posted regarding the criminality of a Cluess player who was allowed to resume play after a brief suspension. The entire matter is germane since Cluess would be among the candidates seriously considered, and the issue was raised in a manner that discredited Cluess. When we are discussing potential new coaches it is relevant and not hijacked.

Then again, it's a lot more fun for some to simply repeat all the ways in which you perceive Lavin to suck, which in effect is lack of wins attributed to 3 or 4 major categories of his deficiencies and character assassinations.

 

[monte]

I can't believe some of you think Willard's recruiting has been great. If it wasn't for hiring kids coaches he never would have landed this freshmen crop. He got desperate and did what he needed to do.

I didn't mean to say Willard was great I was just trying to prove that NY recruits are in fact good and seton hall is proof of that because carrington, Delgado, whitehead, Rodriguez have all looked good.

There are at least 4 or 5 Division 1 recruits every year in the NY metro area. Last year the best we did was an ineligible Adonis. Lavin likes out of area recruits, especially if it means a trip to New Orleans, LA, Miami, Rome or San Francisco. From Myles Davis to Kenton Facey we got not a one. Embarrassing is the only word that comes to mind.

You talking high D1 or just D1? Because there's got to be a lot more than just 4 or 5 D1 every year. FWIW there were probably 15-20 D1 kids playing at CTK yesterday. Granted it was spread out over 4 classes, but it was only 6 schools.

 

[beast of the east]

I can't believe some of you think Willard's recruiting has been great. If it wasn't for hiring kids coaches he never would have landed this freshmen crop. He got desperate and did what he needed to do.

I didn't mean to say Willard was great I was just trying to prove that NY recruits are in fact good and seton hall is proof of that because carrington, Delgado, whitehead, Rodriguez have all looked good.

There are at least 4 or 5 Division 1 recruits every year in the NY metro area. Last year the best we did was an ineligible Adonis. Lavin likes out of area recruits, especially if it means a trip to New Orleans, LA, Miami, Rome or San Francisco. From Myles Davis to Kenton Facey we got not a one. Embarrassing is the only word that comes to mind.

You talking high D1 or just D1? Because there's got to be a lot more than just 4 or 5 D1 every year. FWIW there were probably 15-20 D1 kids playing at CTK yesterday. Granted it was spread out over 4 classes, but it was only 6 schools.

Monte, how many of those kids would be on our radar? Was Lavin there in person, or was St. John's represented by an assistant. I don't get all the criticism when Lavin isn't present but an assistant is. Most big programs don't roll out their head coach in person except to close the deal on a major recruit. Granted this is Queens, and it's in our backyard, warranting his attention without spending travel time. I don't think if this tourney was in California, for example, that we'd expect our head coach to attend during the season.

 

[gman]

I can't believe some of you think Willard's recruiting has been great. If it wasn't for hiring kids coaches he never would have landed this freshmen crop. He got desperate and did what he needed to do.

I didn't mean to say Willard was great I was just trying to prove that NY recruits are in fact good and seton hall is proof of that because carrington, Delgado, whitehead, Rodriguez have all looked good.

There are at least 4 or 5 Division 1 recruits every year in the NY metro area. Last year the best we did was an ineligible Adonis. Lavin likes out of area recruits, especially if it means a trip to New Orleans, LA, Miami, Rome or San Francisco. From Myles Davis to Kenton Facey we got not a one. Embarrassing is the only word that comes to mind.

You talking high D1 or just D1? Because there's got to be a lot more than just 4 or 5 D1 every year. FWIW there were probably 15-20 D1 kids playing at CTK yesterday. Granted it was spread out over 4 classes, but it was only 6 schools.

Monte, how many of those kids would be on our radar? Was Lavin there in person, or was St. John's represented by an assistant. I don't get all the criticism when Lavin isn't present but an assistant is. Most big programs don't roll out their head coach in person except to close the deal on a major recruit. Granted this is Queens, and it's in our backyard, warranting his attention without spending travel time. I don't think if this tourney was in California, for example, that we'd expect our head coach to attend during the season.

Lavin was there in a bright yellow UA half zip

 

[Class of 72]

I can't believe some of you think Willard's recruiting has been great. If it wasn't for hiring kids coaches he never would have landed this freshmen crop. He got desperate and did what he needed to do.

I didn't mean to say Willard was great I was just trying to prove that NY recruits are in fact good and seton hall is proof of that because carrington, Delgado, whitehead, Rodriguez have all looked good.

There are at least 4 or 5 Division 1 recruits every year in the NY metro area. Last year the best we did was an ineligible Adonis. Lavin likes out of area recruits, especially if it means a trip to New Orleans, LA, Miami, Rome or San Francisco. From Myles Davis to Kenton Facey we got not a one. Embarrassing is the only word that comes to mind.

You talking high D1 or just D1? Because there's got to be a lot more than just 4 or 5 D1 every year. FWIW there were probably 15-20 D1 kids playing at CTK yesterday. Granted it was spread out over 4 classes, but it was only 6 schools.

I was referring to graduating seniors in the metro area for high D1 schools. In over 4 years we are batting close to zero. It would be nice to have just one per year to give SJU a NY flavor.

 

[1and1sju]

This was reported in multiple news outlets as misdemeanor assault, which is described as threatening to cause bodily harm. From what I can determine no blows were struck. I don't know many/any programs that would take a player out off the court for a misdemeanor charge as opposed to a felony assault.

Thanks for adding your expertise to the matter. It was inferred in this discussion that the player in question caused bodily harm, but by the charge it appears a threat was made and nothing more. The direct inference here was that Cluess was somehow dirty or negligent by letting the kid play after a one game suspension.

Sorry, you're incorrect. There is no such crime as "misdemeanor assault." There is a crime called Assault 3rd, which is a misdemeanor. Assault 3 requires proof that the accused caused physical injury. There's nothing in the statute about threats. If no blow was struck he would have been charged with menacing or harassment.

As with anyone with a professional knowledge I yield to your expertise. However,

http://misdemeanorguide.com/Misdemeanor-assault.php

This and other references refer to the term misdemeanor assault. Thank you for clarifying and presenting NYS law.

This is why sometimes relying on the internet can be dangerous. To all, please don't use it to self diagnose.

It doesn't warrant any more discussion, but here is a NYS criminal defense firm who describe misdemeanor assault:

http://assaultdefenselawyer.com/assault-resources/felony-assault-vs-misdemeanor-assault/

I do believe that Fun accurately defined NYS penal code, but it appears that the term misdemeanor assault is used in NYS criminal law.

Beware of firms with 800- numbers, with no local number. They are likely an out of state firm that will refer the case to a local attorney and take a cut of the fee. It is common practice in the Negligence sphere but I guess it is expanding to other areas of law.

This is very true. That site is not referring to NYS law.
The confusion comes because the Model Penal Code, which many other states follow, I believe includes misdemeanor assault, and defines assault as including causing a reasonable person to fear imminent bodily harm.
New York has no such provision, instead they have Menacing and Harassment.

 

[cappy105]

Lav is not going anywhere. Just landed Sampson, need to keep Obekpa and Jordan and land Diallo. He needs to be secure

 

[monte]

I can't believe some of you think Willard's recruiting has been great. If it wasn't for hiring kids coaches he never would have landed this freshmen crop. He got desperate and did what he needed to do.

I didn't mean to say Willard was great I was just trying to prove that NY recruits are in fact good and seton hall is proof of that because carrington, Delgado, whitehead, Rodriguez have all looked good.

There are at least 4 or 5 Division 1 recruits every year in the NY metro area. Last year the best we did was an ineligible Adonis. Lavin likes out of area recruits, especially if it means a trip to New Orleans, LA, Miami, Rome or San Francisco. From Myles Davis to Kenton Facey we got not a one. Embarrassing is the only word that comes to mind.

You talking high D1 or just D1? Because there's got to be a lot more than just 4 or 5 D1 every year. FWIW there were probably 15-20 D1 kids playing at CTK yesterday. Granted it was spread out over 4 classes, but it was only 6 schools.

Monte, how many of those kids would be on our radar? Was Lavin there in person, or was St. John's represented by an assistant. I don't get all the criticism when Lavin isn't present but an assistant is. Most big programs don't roll out their head coach in person except to close the deal on a major recruit. Granted this is Queens, and it's in our backyard, warranting his attention without spending travel time. I don't think if this tourney was in California, for example, that we'd expect our head coach to attend during the season.

Agree about tourney in Cal, wouldn't expect him to be there. Frankly as long as we are represented I have no problem if the assistants do most of the scouting, but I do think that if Lavin is going to continue here, that he needs to establish local ties. And the only way he's going to do that is to make himself visible at these events. Yesterday was a start, sort of. As for yesterday's talent, I would say that the following kids either are or definitely should be on our radar:
Salnave
Ponds
Wilson
Washington
Pearson
Green
Alkins
Alvarado

There were a bunch of other really talented kids who could develop in to mid-high D1 talent, but the kids I mentioned stood out. I listed Ponds in spite of the fact that he's an undersized 2G, because we're already on him.

 

[1and1sju]

Lav is not going anywhere...

Signing one recruit doesn't change the overall situation.
He'll be in the announcing booth next season.

 

[Jack Williams]

Lav is not going anywhere...

Signing one recruit doesn't change the overall situation.
He'll be in the announcing booth next season.

Realistically I think you are wrong. Many want that next year and I've gone on and on that he he needs to do some things before he deserves to be back, but it is clear to me that he will be back. If it was your or my decision, or any of our decisions, he'd probably be gone. But he is returning next season most likely.

 

[redfazed]

Lav is not going anywhere...

Signing one recruit doesn't change the overall situation.
He'll be in the announcing booth next season.

Realistically I think you are wrong. Many want that next year and I've gone on and on that he he needs to do some things before he deserves to be back, but it is clear to me that he will be back. If it was your or my decision, or any of our decisions, he'd probably be gone. But he is returning next season most likely.

 

[redfazed]

Lav is not going anywhere...

Signing one recruit doesn't change the overall situation.
He'll be in the announcing booth next season.

Realistically I think you are wrong. Many want that next year and I've gone on and on that he he needs to do some things before he deserves to be back, but it is clear to me that he will be back. If it was your or my decision, or any of our decisions, he'd probably be gone. But he is returning next season most likely.

I think it depends on what transpires over the next month. We start 0-5 again and then all bets are off.

 

[Jack Williams]

Lav is not going anywhere...

Signing one recruit doesn't change the overall situation.
He'll be in the announcing booth next season.

Realistically I think you are wrong. Many want that next year and I've gone on and on that he he needs to do some things before he deserves to be back, but it is clear to me that he will be back. If it was your or my decision, or any of our decisions, he'd probably be gone. But he is returning next season most likely.

I think it depends on what transpires over the next month. We start 0-5 again and then all bets are off.

We will be 3-3 or 2-4 very soon

 

[paultzman]

I feel great Lavin landed Sampson, but new President, in my opinion, will render a contract decision at season's end after a thorough evaluation of the program.
Sampson joining us is a positive, but I am not going to assume it has any marked impact on the big picture at this point. Hopefully SL leads us to the NCAA Tourney & lands a high quality class. Both are daunting challenges. Getting Brandon is a positive step in that journey.

 

[Marillac]

Lav is not going anywhere...

Signing one recruit doesn't change the overall situation.
He'll be in the announcing booth next season.

He could very well have a better team next season. I think we get Diallo and if they can pickup Freeman that would be huge. The key is retaining Obekpa first and Jordan second. Jordan seriously has nowhere to go...even this day in age with the delusional hangers on, nobody can make a case for him to have even a chance to be drafted.

 

[monte]

If he does not want to be in school, it doesn't matter if he's drafted or not. He'll find a place(D league, Europe) to play. Hopefully that's not the case ,but its a distinct possibility.