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Demo said:
My point was that it will take a few years for Pitino to recruit players and I don’t believe he’ll be around that long to coach them. Hence being a lame duck coach waiting to retire and no recruit willing to commit to that possibility.
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With NIL and immediate transfer rules, Pitino will stock the roster immediately
 
Fizzy said:
Has Pitino or any of his people even mentioned he wants to leave and coach someplace else?

Asking for Wally.
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Pitino pushed for an lifetime contract extension earlier this year and was rebuffed. So while he's still there the relationship may be a bit tenuous.
 
DaTiger said:
Not well researched, but a lot of names being thrown around, so here's one more; Tom Crean...coached at some big programs.
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Mike Anderson 2.0. A guy who was once good but for some reason lost it. Might be a consistent NIT guy with occasional tourney birth. Maybe a good hire for DePaul but would be a bad hire here.
 
adavis1 said:
As a non-Catholic who has never gone to a Catholic school I have a question I am hoping someone here can help me out with. Why would Iona hire Pitino, but not St. John's? Is St. John's particularly conservative when it comes to these things? Thanks for the help.
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I’ll assume the question was a serious one and reply according (and probably be derided).

As to why St. John’s might not (should not) venture there, it’s because despite our small number of die hard rabid fans, the basketball program is not why the university exists. In fact, it’s not essential to the mission if the school which among other things is to help propagate Christian (and specifically Catholic) mores in higher education, to teach young men and women to go forward and have careers where they can apply their Catholic faith into the world.

So, hiring a guy like Pitino, regardless of his excellence as a basketball coach, might be viewed as hypocritical to many, or at least contrary to the Catholic teaching mission of the university.

Of course, some would argue that an important tenant of the Catholic faith is forgiveness and redemption. True. But, to a university administration who seeks to be true to the mission, I think it’s a hard explanation to make when there are other men and women who would be better examples to the young men and women under the university’s charge.

Yes, a thriving program would bring revenue into the school that could be used to advance the mission of the school, but to many on the board, perhaps too high a price. It’s not just a business decision, but also a moral one.

Why another Catholic institution would act differently, I don’t know, but as someone who has spent tuition money at both the mentioned potential landing spots, I’d say that StJ is observably more adherent to its Catholic roots than GU.

IF looked at only thru the lens of big time college basketball,it’s a no brainer. If you layer on these other factors, it’s a non-starter.
 
redmanwest said:
I’ll assume the question was a serious one and reply according (and probably be derided).

As to why St. John’s might not (should not) venture there, it’s because despite our small number of die hard rabid fans, the basketball program is not why the university exists. In fact, it’s not essential to the mission if the school which among other things is to help propagate Christian (and specifically Catholic) mores in higher education, to teach young men and women to go forward and have careers where they can apply their Catholic faith into the world.

So, hiring a guy like Pitino, regardless of his excellence as a basketball coach, might be viewed as hypocritical to many, or at least contrary to the Catholic teaching mission of the university.

Of course, some would argue that an important tenant of the Catholic faith is forgiveness and redemption. True. But, to a university administration who seeks to be true to the mission, I think it’s a hard explanation to make when there are other men and women who would be better examples to the young men and women under the university’s charge.

Yes, a thriving program would bring revenue into the school that could be used to advance the mission of the school, but to many on the board, perhaps too high a price. It’s not just a business decision, but also a moral one.

Why another Catholic institution would act differently, I don’t know, but as someone who has spent tuition money at both the mentioned potential landing spots, I’d say that StJ is observably more adherent to its Catholic roots than GU.

IF looked at only thru the lens of big time college basketball,it’s a no brainer. If you layer on these other factors, it’s a non-starter.
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Geez, there is so much wrong here it's laughable.
 
redmanwest said:
I’ll assume the question was a serious one and reply according (and probably be derided).

As to why St. John’s might not (should not) venture there, it’s because despite our small number of die hard rabid fans, the basketball program is not why the university exists. In fact, it’s not essential to the mission if the school which among other things is to help propagate Christian (and specifically Catholic) mores in higher education, to teach young men and women to go forward and have careers where they can apply their Catholic faith into the world.

So, hiring a guy like Pitino, regardless of his excellence as a basketball coach, might be viewed as hypocritical to many, or at least contrary to the Catholic teaching mission of the university.

Of course, some would argue that an important tenant of the Catholic faith is forgiveness and redemption. True. But, to a university administration who seeks to be true to the mission, I think it’s a hard explanation to make when there are other men and women who would be better examples to the young men and women under the university’s charge.

Yes, a thriving program would bring revenue into the school that could be used to advance the mission of the school, but to many on the board, perhaps too high a price. It’s not just a business decision, but also a moral one.

Why another Catholic institution would act differently, I don’t know, but as someone who has spent tuition money at both the mentioned potential landing spots, I’d say that StJ is observably more adherent to its Catholic roots than GU.

IF looked at only thru the lens of big time college basketball,it’s a no brainer. If you layer on these other factors, it’s a non-starter.
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And here’s where the hypocrisy comes in……

1. The School honors Jayson Williams, a man indicted for murder. And why? Could it have to do with the sizable donation he made to the school. Surely contrary to “Catholic” values is it not?

2. Two years ago on the opening night of the basketball program, St.John’s invites a convicted repeated felon (rap artist) to entertain the fans at the event. Both Mike Cragg and the University president were well aware of the performer’s background which included pushing his pregnant girlfriend off a balcony on one of the arrests. Oh yes, not to mention the lyrics of his songs which would include sexual battery etc.

3. Do we dare mention the fiormer scandal of a university president and his boy toy? Nah, let’s leave that alone.

The hypocrisy of this University is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Mr. Pitino was punished for his indiscretions and other faults. There is absolutely no good reason why he should not be considered for hire should that become necessary.
 
Johnny Rapper said:
And here’s where the hypocrisy comes in……

1. The School honors Jayson Williams, a man indicted for murder. And why? Could it have to do with the sizable donation he made to the school. Surely contrary to “Catholic” values is it not?

2. Two years ago on the opening night of the basketball program, St.John’s invites a convicted repeated felon (rap artist) to entertain the fans at the event. Both Mike Cragg and the University president were well aware of the performer’s background which included pushing his pregnant girlfriend off a balcony on one of the arrests. Oh yes, not to mention the lyrics of his songs which would include sexual battery etc.

3. Do we dare mention the fiormer scandal of a university president and his boy toy? Nah, let’s leave that alone.

The hypocrisy of this University is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Mr. Pitino was punished for his indiscretions and other faults. There is absolutely no good reason why he should not be considered for hire should that become necessary.
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Johnny, I don’t think my response and your response are mutually exclusive. Our conclusions may be different, but the supporting arguments for the positions may not be inconsistent.
 
redmannorth said:
I thought it was an excellent well thought out response.
Would you please be so kind as to elaborate as to what is so wrong with the response ?
Thank you.
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I'm sure I'll get in trouble for diving too deep into it but the Catholic Church has proven many times over they don't give a damn about morals and values. Also, you'd have to be incredibly naive to think the actual mission of the school in 2023 is "to teach young men and women to go forward and have careers where they can apply their Catholic faith into the world" and not to make as much money as possible.
 
redmanwest said:
I’ll assume the question was a serious one and reply according (and probably be derided).

As to why St. John’s might not (should not) venture there, it’s because despite our small number of die hard rabid fans, the basketball program is not why the university exists. In fact, it’s not essential to the mission if the school which among other things is to help propagate Christian (and specifically Catholic) mores in higher education, to teach young men and women to go forward and have careers where they can apply their Catholic faith into the world.

So, hiring a guy like Pitino, regardless of his excellence as a basketball coach, might be viewed as hypocritical to many, or at least contrary to the Catholic teaching mission of the university.

Of course, some would argue that an important tenant of the Catholic faith is forgiveness and redemption. True. But, to a university administration who seeks to be true to the mission, I think it’s a hard explanation to make when there are other men and women who would be better examples to the young men and women under the university’s charge.

Yes, a thriving program would bring revenue into the school that could be used to advance the mission of the school, but to many on the board, perhaps too high a price. It’s not just a business decision, but also a moral one.

Why another Catholic institution would act differently, I don’t know, but as someone who has spent tuition money at both the mentioned potential landing spots, I’d say that StJ is observably more adherent to its Catholic roots than GU.

IF looked at only thru the lens of big time college basketball,it’s a no brainer. If you layer on these other factors, it’s a non-starter.
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Without passing judgement on the decision-making processes of StJ, I will say thank you for tackling the challenge of providing a rational answer to the question. Takes guts right now!
 
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