New York Mets-2018

The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.
 
[quote="Logen" post=281809][quote="JackofVirginia" post=281785][quote="Paultzman" post=281705]Harvey fading I suspect[/quote]



Wouldn't be surprised if he is the first to go down to Vegas. Boras will be livid.[/quote]

Going to be interesting, he should be the one but he can refuse to go and I believe he will. Remember getting serious flack when a couple of years ago (pre injuries) I insisted Mets should trade him.[/quote]



Agree. When interviewed after the game and questioned about going to the bullpen he adamantly insisted he was a starter. Got quite a kick out of his comments regarding his porous start last night - It was a step in the right direction and a huge positive. Really?
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=282036][quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.[/quote]

The good news is that Callaway and Eiland don’t appear to give a damn about Harvey’s ego, his walk year or his excuses; they care about winning. A really fresh breath of air, at least so far. And Andrew, your stats say it all; post game he always has “figured it out” until his next start rolls around. Full disclosure, can’t stand the guy, never could.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=282036][quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.[/quote] Great to finally meet you today at the SJU game Andrew !
 
[quote="Logen" post=282066][quote="Andrew" post=282036][quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.[/quote]

The good news is that Callaway and Eiland don’t appear to give a damn about Harvey’s ego, his walk year or his excuses; they care about winning. A really fresh breath of air, at least so far. And Andrew, your stats say it all; post game he always has “figured it out” until his next start rolls around. Full disclosure, can’t stand the guy, never could.[/quote]


I love Callaway and Eiland, no bull shit You either perform or sit. When a reporter commented to Eiland about Harvey's scoreless innings he replied, the first inning also counts.
 
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[quote="JackofVirginia" post=282115][quote="Logen" post=282066][quote="Andrew" post=282036][quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.[/quote]

The good news is that Callaway and Eiland don’t appear to give a damn about Harvey’s ego, his walk year or his excuses; they care about winning. A really fresh breath of air, at least so far. And Andrew, your stats say it all; post game he always has “figured it out” until his next start rolls around. Full disclosure, can’t stand the guy, never could.[/quote]


I love Callaway and Eiland, no bull shit You either perform or sit. When a reporter commented to Eiland about Harvey's scoreless innings he replied, the first inning also counts.[/quote]

Jack, to your point no bull shit. Harvey officially to the pen. Performance counts and it is long past time. At least Callaway/Eiland are making guys accountable.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=282115][quote="Logen" post=282066][quote="Andrew" post=282036][quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.[/quote]

The good news is that Callaway and Eiland don’t appear to give a damn about Harvey’s ego, his walk year or his excuses; they care about winning. A really fresh breath of air, at least so far. And Andrew, your stats say it all; post game he always has “figured it out” until his next start rolls around. Full disclosure, can’t stand the guy, never could.[/quote]


I love Callaway and Eiland, no bull shit You either perform or sit. When a reporter commented to Eiland about Harvey's scoreless innings he replied, the first inning also counts.[/quote]

Jack -I think it went Harvey was talking about how well he pitched in the 4th through 6th innings after he had given ups runs and Eiland said the game doesn't start in the fourth inning. Either way it was one of the best quotes in years.
 
Mets pen just pissing away the great start. Get hit, part of the game and then at least the team earns a comeback. Ramos walks two that score in the 8th and Familia one to lead off the 9th? Set the 8th up for Freeman just like Lugo did walking Kendrick in front of Harper against the Nats. Poor
 
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The Braves have definitely knocked at least 3 years off my life over the years
 
After the 900th playing of the tomahawk chop chant I have had about enough.

Our bullpen gift wrapped the victory. How do you walk two guys in front of Freddie Freeman on 9 pitches... then lead off the 9th by walking the 1st batter...I could rationalize a HR but the walks are pathetic.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=282177]After the 900th playing of the tomahawk chop chant I have had about enough.

Our bullpen gift wrapped the victory. How do you walk two guys in front of Freddie Freeman on 9 pitches... then lead off the 9th by walking the 1st batter...I could rationalize a HR but the walks are pathetic.[/quote]


And how about the poor job from Blevins thus far. BTW, don't tell anyone but Freeman kicks the sh.. out of him.
 
A couple of seasons ago Mets intentionally carried two lefties since divisional teams were stacked with big lefty bats. I think it was Ryan Howard/Chase Utley in Philly, Harper in Washington, Freeman in Atlanta etc. Somehow they have not been able to fill that role effectively. Blevins has been ok in spots but recently he can't get LHH out. This is a major problem since that is his exclusive role. In addition, no excuse exists as to why that second left handed pitcher was not identified and signed this offseason. Their were plenty that went unsigned for months.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=282303]A couple of seasons ago Mets intentionally carried two lefties since divisional teams were stacked with big lefty bats. I think it was Ryan Howard/Chase Utley in Philly, Harper in Washington, Freeman in Atlanta etc. Somehow they have not been able to fill that role effectively. Blevins has been ok in spots but recently he can't get LHH out. This is a major problem since that is his exclusive role. In addition, no excuse exists as to why that second left handed pitcher was not identified and signed this offseason. Their were plenty that went unsigned for months.[/quote]

Don't disagree but as you and I pointed out, the walks before those "studs" came to bat are what killed the Mets. Payers the level of Harper and Freeman are obviously going to get theirs regardless of the pitcher. Paraphrasing Seaver,- strike one is the most important pitch in baseball. Walks kill you, pitching from behind kills you.
 
[quote="Logen" post=282307][quote="sjc88" post=282303]A couple of seasons ago Mets intentionally carried two lefties since divisional teams were stacked with big lefty bats. I think it was Ryan Howard/Chase Utley in Philly, Harper in Washington, Freeman in Atlanta etc. Somehow they have not been able to fill that role effectively. Blevins has been ok in spots but recently he can't get LHH out. This is a major problem since that is his exclusive role. In addition, no excuse exists as to why that second left handed pitcher was not identified and signed this offseason. Their were plenty that went unsigned for months.[/quote]

Don't disagree but as you and I pointed out, the walks before those "studs" came to bat are what killed the Mets. Payers the level of Harper and Freeman are obviously going to get theirs regardless of the pitcher. Paraphrasing Seaver,- strike one is the most important pitch in baseball. Walks kill you, pitching from behind kills you.[/quote]


When you think about it Ramos entered the game with a 3 - 0 lead, didn't have to be fancy just throw strikes. Have the opposition put the ball in play.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=282036][quote="Beast of the East" post=281892]The only way he would go down is with the assurance that he would work things out in 2 or 3 starts max and be back with the team in the rotation.

In his walk year, he has to be with the club, turn it around minimally to close to a .500 record and ERA is the low to mid 4's to command a salary in the $7-10mm range. If he's not on an MLB roster his prospects dim considerably.[/quote]

Harvey has an ERA of 6.00 and a WHIP over 1.50 in his last 40 starts. He would need to drastically improve to receive anything more then a small 1 year contract next season, and there is no evidence that this is going to happen. The $15 million he will have made for the 2016-18 seasons may be the most money he makes playing baseball. The NL and our division have many good teams this year and the Mets should only carry Harvey if he is helping the team win.[/quote]

Hey Andrew, Wow, I was unaware that Harvey has been that bad. That's Oliver PErez territory.
 
Good win tonight. Weird challenge by the Cardinals, they must've thought Jay Bruce was Marv Throneberry as they challenged whether he had missed first base on the HR trot. No luck as Bruce touched dead center on the bag. As bad as Familia looked the other night he was throwing some nasty stuff tonight. Amazing how a guy can look like he can't pitch and then dominates the next outing.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=282553]Good win tonight. Weird challenge by the Cardinals, they must've thought Jay Bruce was Marv Throneberry as they challenged whether he had missed first base on the HR trot. No luck as Bruce touched dead center on the bag. As bad as Familia looked the other night he was throwing some nasty stuff tonight. Amazing how a guy can look like he can't pitch and then dominates the next outing.[/quote]very nasty stuff in the 10th
 
[quote="sjc88" post=282553]Good win tonight. Weird challenge by the Cardinals, they must've thought Jay Bruce was Marv Throneberry as they challenged whether he had missed first base on the HR trot. No luck as Bruce touched dead center on the bag. As bad as Familia looked the other night he was throwing some nasty stuff tonight. Amazing how a guy can look like he can't pitch and then dominates the next outing.[/quote]

You must be a great Mets fan to recall Marvelous Marv lore.

For those who don't have the reference, when Throneberry was called out after missing first on a triple, casey stengel stormed put of the dugout to argue.

The other umpire then told him to forget about arguing, he not only missed first, but second also.
 
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Beast, thankfully Marv was a little before my time but like many here, grew up on Bob Murphy, Ralph Kiner and Lindsay Nelson. Ralph Kiner loved to tell that story. It was funny every time he told it.
 
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