New York Mets-2018

[quote="Marillac" post=305506][quote="SI1996" post=305474][quote="Marillac" post=305467]Kelenic looks like the closest to a sure thing as is possible at Low A ball. The kid has a dynamic arm, was on pace for like 60 steals, has power already, and the ability to hit for average. He looks like a Trout type to me. He'll be in the bigs within two years on any team that isn't overly conservative.

Cano will either get suspended for PEDs again or his career will fall off a cliff. He will not be in the majors those last two seasons.

On the plus side, Swaezak and Bruce were done and waste of space and money. The young closer has 4 years left until free agency. That fits in with our window to dominate with the young pitching more than Kelenic's trajectory.[/quote] While I do think Kelenic will be a good prospect, his current progress is well overstated. He didn't make it past Rookie league and hit .253 after his promotion to Kingsport. Whereas the Gorman kid (also from HS in same draft) who the Cards selected 19th overall really did make it to Low A ball and hit 6 homers while there.[/quote]

Two points there: as I understand it the jump to Kingsport from GCL is much bigger than the jump from Kingsport to low-A.

The Mets have one of the worst staffs for developing position players at low end of the minors, whereas the Cards are known for it. Also, the Mets are basically the slowest and conservative team in baseball for promoting players.

Even Conforto struggled until he was promoted to AA and he was regarded aa top 2-3 college bat in the draft.[/quote] Now that I will agree with. The Mets have to do a better job of player development.
 
[quote="SI1996" post=305474][quote="Marillac" post=305467]Kelenic looks like the closest to a sure thing as is possible at Low A ball. The kid has a dynamic arm, was on pace for like 60 steals, has power already, and the ability to hit for average. He looks like a Trout type to me. He'll be in the bigs within two years on any team that isn't overly conservative.

Cano will either get suspended for PEDs again or his career will fall off a cliff. He will not be in the majors those last two seasons.

On the plus side, Swaezak and Bruce were done and waste of space and money. The young closer has 4 years left until free agency. That fits in with our window to dominate with the young pitching more than Kelenic's trajectory.[/quote] While I do think Kelenic will be a good prospect, his current progress is well overstated. He didn't make it past Rookie league and hit .253 after his promotion to Kingsport. Whereas the Gorman kid (also from HS in same draft) who the Cards selected 19th overall really did make it to Low A ball and hit 6 homers while there.[/quote]
In fairness, Gorman hit .202 at Low A. He also k'd 76 times in only 237 ABs overall. As rated after this season Gorman is rated #73 and Kelenic #62 in Top 100 prospects. Source:http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=prospects
 
If we gave to take CaNOOOO they better be eating a shitload if that money because that was one of the worst contracts that normally I’d expect from the Mets. God damn I don’t want him and it’s not even because he was a Yankee ( and an excellent Yankee )
 
If you don't love Wilmer when you are 20 you have no heart and if you still love Wilmer when you are 30 you have no brain.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=305573]If you don't love Wilmer when you are 20 you have no heart and if you still love Wilmer when you are 30 you have no brain.[/quote]

Mets whittling away payroll to balance Cano net gain. The thing is, if cano deal doesnt happen I think Wilmer is great insurance at 1st and 2nd. I'd prefer him over Bruce, and I could see him blossoming with the right team.

And ya, Fuschia, hard not to love him and his dozen or so walk off at bats.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=305573]If you don't love Wilmer when you are 20 you have no heart and if you still love Wilmer when you are 30 you have no brain.[/quote]
Spot on, although he’s still a fave. (One) Problem with the Mets is that they have too many Wilmers on their team. Guys who play hard and are gritty, but not quite good enough to be everyday major league ball players. Probable residents in this sphere include Lagares, McNeil, Plawecki, Kelly, and den Decker. Previous inhabitants were Nieuwenhuis, [strike]Turner,[/strike], Wiggington, McEwing...
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=305578][quote="fuchsia" post=305573]If you don't love Wilmer when you are 20 you have no heart and if you still love Wilmer when you are 30 you have no brain.[/quote]

Mets whittling away payroll to balance Cano net gain. The thing is, if cano deal doesnt happen I think Wilmer is great insurance at 1st and 2nd. I'd prefer him over Bruce, and I could see him blossoming with the right team.

And ya, Fuschia, hard not to love him and his dozen or so walk off at bats.[/quote]
Clutch Wilmer! Unfortunately, the Mets did not play well enough to get him more big at bats last year.
 
[quote="gman" post=305476][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305460][quote="gman" post=305444]The new deal, according to Passan, includes Bruce, Swarzak, Kelenic, Dunn and one more minor leaguer. Mcneil is no longer included. I really don't like the idea of giving up Kelenic, but our scouts have been pretty crappy on picking prospects. How many of our 5 tool outfielders have actually come to fruition? We still have 5 tool Desmond Lindsey in the organization to save the day...

I'm not a huge fan of the deal, but it does give us a viable middle of the order player and a stud reliever. The org needs to refill the propsects. Our prospects suck because we keep whiffing on high round picks.[/quote]
Is that a reference to Alex Ochoa or Ryan Thompson? To be fair, it extends past the outfield - for example, David West. An excellent point though on Mets prospects.

Some more “feel good” here
https://nypost.com/2018/11/29/brodie-van-wagenen-not-scared-of-making-unpopular-deal/[/quote]

How about Lastings Miledge and F-Mart[/quote]

Lastings Thrillage!

From the Internet’s version of the Junior Woodchucks' Guidebook and Reservoir of Inexhaustible Knowledge:

On June 4, 2006 against the San Francisco Giants, Milledge hit a solo home run – his first major league career homer – off Giants closer Armando Benítez to tie up the game 6–6 in the bottom of the tenth inning. When the Mets returned to the field the following inning, Milledge, still excited, high-fived the home fans in attendance at Shea as he returned to his position, inciting the ire of his manager and some teammates, not to mention the national sports media. In late September, one of Milledge's Mets teammates placed a sign on his locker which read, "Know Your Place, Rook!"

Of course, not a shock that he hit that homerun, given the pitcher... oh the pain!

Lastings currently plays for the Tokyo Yakult Swallows.
 
Wilmer seems like a good kid. But if you are evaluating without your heart he has lead feet and hands of stone. In addition, he has arthritis in his knees. Not good for anyone, really not good for a professional athlete who isn't quite 30 (?). He will/should look for a DH role which will prolong his career.
My only regret from yesterday was I cannot figure out why T-DH (aka D'arnaud) he was tendered. He is a noodle armed catcher NOW coming off TJ surgery. He might not even be ready for ST and who knows if his career is in jeopardy with a setback. That would save $3.5M?!! Why tender him? Why?
 
Flores will be 27 most of next season so I don't think its an age issue. Will find work as a reserve or platoon player somewhere if his knees hold up. D'Arnaud who will be 30 is always hurt. Giving him 3.5 million seems a little odd as SJC88 mentioned.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=305588]D'Arnaud who will be 30 is always hurt. Giving him 3.5 million seems a little odd as SJC88 mentioned.[/quote]
Given your fan experience, is it really an odd move?
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305596][quote="Andrew" post=305588]D'Arnaud who will be 30 is always hurt. Giving him 3.5 million seems a little odd as SJC88 mentioned.[/quote]
Given your fan experience, is it really an odd move?[/quote]

Of course not:)
 
We didn’t get enough money back for Cano. We got taken to the woodshed IMO by a GM who is in love with his former client.

As for TDA, how many better catching options are there without trading significant assets?
 
[quote="gman" post=305944]We didn’t get enough money back for Cano. We got taken to the woodshed IMO by a GM who is in love with his former client.

As for TDA, how many better catching options are there without trading significant assets?[/quote]

Article last night said 20 million but closing deal contingent on mets getting more
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=305956][quote="gman" post=305944]We didn’t get enough money back for Cano. We got taken to the woodshed IMO by a GM who is in love with his former client.

As for TDA, how many better catching options are there without trading significant assets?[/quote]

Article last night said 20 million but closing deal contingent on mets getting more[/quote]

I read it was a done deal with the $20mm number
 
[quote="gman" post=305957][quote="Beast of the East" post=305956][quote="gman" post=305944]We didn’t get enough money back for Cano. We got taken to the woodshed IMO by a GM who is in love with his former client.

As for TDA, how many better catching options are there without trading significant assets?[/quote]

Article last night said 20 million but closing deal contingent on mets getting more[/quote]

I read it was a done deal with the $20mm number[/quote]

I'm using mlb at bat app for info
 
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