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[quote="Adam" post=317353]To illustrate my point, let's look at Butler last year.

They made the Tournament at 9-9 in the Big East. Now, despite the Big East being stronger last year than this year they only beat 1 ranked team (Nova) the entire year. They lost to SIX ranked Big East teams. So they mostly beat up on the bottom part of the conference.

In terms of OOC?

Impressive OOC wins:
Vs Ohio St (N- OT by 1 point)

Losses:
@ Maryland
Vs Texas (N)
Vs Purdue (N)

How would that resume be any better than ours this year? It wouldn't be, in fact it'd be significantly worse. They went 1-3 against quality OOC opponents, and only beat one ranked team the whole year. Nobody on this board would trade our OOC for theirs. Their OOC NET wouldn't be anywhere close to ours (24). So then, why did they make the Tournament while we won't?

For all the naysayers, how about you lay out an argument for why we wouldn't make it at 9-9? I'd be interested in reading it.[/quote]

Nice job man. I'm right there with you on the analytics. Unfortunately some of these stubborn fans refuse to look at reality.
 
Don´t know if we would go to the NCAA tournament being 9-9.

But I found a difference: Butler had played Tournament games the previous 3 seasons. That helps.

It is like our 87-88 team (Shelton Jones): we were 17-11 (8-8 in Big East).
 
[quote="gonzalo" post=317365]Don´t know if we would go to the NCAA tournament being 9-9.

But I found a difference: Butler had played Tournament games the previous 3 seasons. That helps.

It is like our 87-88 team (Shelton Jones): we were 17-11 (8-8 in Big East).[/quote]

People are so fixated on 9-9. It really has to do with how all of our numbers stack up against the rest of the country. Simple as that. As stated, it's a weak bubble this year.
 
[quote="gonzalo" post=317365]Don´t know if we would go to the NCAA tournament being 9-9.

But I found a difference: Butler had played Tournament games the previous 3 seasons. That helps.

It is like our 87-88 team (Shelton Jones): we were 17-11 (8-8 in Big East).[/quote]

Butler got in because they deserved to, and 100% of people like Lunardi predicting the brackets had them in:

http://bracketmatrix.com/matrix_2018.html

187/187 brackets had Butler in prior to their selection. They weren't even a bubble team.

As for St. John's this year?

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

Currently 87/87 brackets nationally have us in the Tournament, as a 9 seed on average. 100% of analysts have us easily in at 3-4 in the Big East.

I'm telling you guys, we'd make the Tournament at 9-9.
 
Yea, If we are in all brackets at 3-4 and under .500, I don’t see why we wouldn’t make it in at 9-9.

After the DePaul game, I figured we wouldn’t get the conference record I had thought we would need (11-7). So I did look into a lot of the brackets and see we aren’t even on the bubble yet. A win tomorrow we will be 4-4.

People keep freaking out about the 3 game stretch coming up. Why?

The creighton game is the only one I will be sweating. That’s a big game.

But @duke and @marquette. Why would anyone panic about these games? If we lose road games to two top 10 teams (yes marquette will most likely be in the top 10 by then)... our tourney hopes aren’t gonna get killed. Especially since we already have a game in hand against Marquette.

The duke game is literally only something that can help us. No one on the committee is gonna kill us for losing in Cameron.
 
I'm telling you guys, we'd make the Tournament at 9-9.[/quote]

Now all we need to do is get to 9-9. It is not going to be easy.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=317399]Yea, If we are in all brackets at 3-4 and under .500, I don’t see why we wouldn’t make it in at 9-9.

After the DePaul game, I figured we wouldn’t get the conference record I had thought we would need (11-7). So I did look into a lot of the brackets and see we aren’t even on the bubble yet. A win tomorrow we will be 4-4.

People keep freaking out about the 3 game stretch coming up. Why?

The creighton game is the only one I will be sweating. That’s a big game.

But @duke and @marquette. Why would anyone panic about these games? If we lose road games to two top 10 teams (yes marquette will most likely be in the top 10 by then)... our tourney hopes aren’t gonna get killed. Especially since we already have a game in hand against Marquette.

The duke game is literally only something that can help us. No one on the committee is gonna kill us for losing in Cameron.[/quote]

"People keep freaking out about the 3 game stretch coming up. Why?"

I'm adding G-Town to those 3.
We're losing @ Duke.
Lets look at the other 3. I don't see us sweeping @ Creigton, and Marquette, I see a split at best. That's 4-5
That's why to me Georgetown tomorrow is the game of the year. We win and we'll be 5-5, a loss and we're 4-6.
Being 500 and 2 under to me is huge.
With 5 of our following 6 at home, if we're 500 and go say 4-2, we'll be 9-7. If we're 2 under and go 4-2 we'll just be 8-8.

That's why I say tomorrow is the season.

Of course if we win atleast 2 in the B.E tourny (our home), we'll probably get in anyway.
 
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Gotta play the game, no wins or losses on paper count.
 
[quote="Frank61" post=317490]That game will haunt us for the rest of the season.[/quote]

Agreed Frank, could be the difference between making the tournament and not
 
[quote="Frank61" post=317490]That game will haunt us for the rest of the season.[/quote]

Had hoped we’d use it as ‘motivstion’ But Ponds’ injury and inconsistency has so far neutralized that ‘burr up the arse’.
Here’s hoping it gnaws at the team the rest of the way.
 
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Per John Fanta

Big East in the NET: Marquette 19, Villanova 22, St. John’s 48, Butler 51, Creighton 57, Seton Hall 62, Providence 72, Xavier 84, Georgetown 89, DePaul 103
 
It's actually a pretty interesting season given that 2 teams are dominating (and look like NCAA contenders) while 4 teams are on the bubble. Every game that Nova/Marquette plays against the 4 bubble teams will be huge. It's been a while since the league has had any bubble teams, the last few years we've always known prior to Selection Sunday exactly how many bids we'd get.

I think for Hall, Creighton, SJU, and Butler... 9-9 should get them in. Maybe 10-8 for Creighton. Amazing how nobody aside from Marquette/Nova is at .500 at this point. Last year we had 7 teams finish .500 or better.
 
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To me as of right now, we have five bubble teams (I'd definitely include Providence) of whom 2 (3 at most) will likely get in at the end of the day. I am not going by current NET number just by the 5 teams I think can possibly finish strongly in league play.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=318547]To me as of right now, we have five bubble teams (I'd definitely include Providence) of whom 2 (3 at most) will likely get in at the end of the day. I am not going by current NET number just by the 5 teams I think can possibly finish strongly in league play.[/quote]

Honestly if Providence, Xavier, or Georgetown finish around 11-7 they'd have a good chance to make the Dance. They're not far off the bubble.

Looking at Bracket Matrix averages (and how many analysts have them in the Dance):
Marquette: 3 seed average (98/98 analysts have them in)
Villanova: 5 seed (98/98)
St. John's: 11 seed (95/98)
Seton Hall: 11 seed (67/98)
Butler: 2nd team out (34/98)
Creighton: 3rd team out (31/98)
Providence: 2 brackets (2/98)
Georgetown: 1 bracket (1/98)
DePaul: 1 bracket (1/98)

Here's something interesting, of the 4 bubble teams:
Creighton: 3-4
Butler: 3-5
Seton Hall: 3-5
St. John's: 3-5

Because St. John's is best positioned of the 4 bubble teams, despite having the same/worse BE record, that means analysts view our OOC as the strongest of the 4. That doesn't surprise me, but it does show that our OOC is strong.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=318558][quote="NCJohnnie" post=318547]To me as of right now, we have five bubble teams (I'd definitely include Providence) of whom 2 (3 at most) will likely get in at the end of the day. I am not going by current NET number just by the 5 teams I think can possibly finish strongly in league play.[/quote]

Honestly if Providence, Xavier, or Georgetown finished around 11-7 they'd have a good chance to make the Dance. They're not far off the bubble.

Looking at Bracket Matrix averages (and how many analysts have them in the Dance):
Marquette: 3 seed average (98/98 analysts have them in)
Villanova: 5 seed (98/98)
St. John's: 11 seed (95/98)
Seton Hall: 11 seed (67/98)
Butler: 2nd team out (34/98)
Creighton: 3rd team out (31/98)
Providence: 2 brackets (2/98)
Georgetown: 1 bracket (1/98)
DePaul: 1 bracket (1/98)

Here's something interesting, of the 4 bubble teams:
Creighton: 3-4
Butler: 3-5
Seton Hall: 3-5
St. John's: 3-5

Because St. John's is best positioned of the 4 bubble teams, despite having the same/worse record, that means analysts view our OOC as the strongest of the 4. That doesn't surprise me, but it does show that our OOC is strong.[/quote]
Not necessarily it would depend on how the teams did in OOC games and we were 12-0 so that may be why. SH definitely played better teams ie. Maryland and kentucky.
 
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