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Even if they lost Tuesday night if they win their remaining home games and get at least 1 of DePaul/Providence/Xavier that should be enough.
Right now the PAC 12 is going to be lucky to get 2 teams in. If you look at the projections the bubble is so weak that many prognostications still had Indiana (who before they beat Mich St had lost 7 in a row and was 3-7 in conference) and Nebraska (who has lost 5 in a row) either in or just out. Lots of weakness.
Right now the PAC 12 is going to be lucky to get 2 teams in. If you look at the projections the bubble is so weak that many prognostications still had Indiana (who before they beat Mich St had lost 7 in a row and was 3-7 in conference) and Nebraska (who has lost 5 in a row) either in or just out. Lots of weakness.
[quote="Marillac" post=319378][
Buffalo must be the worst #18 team in the history of #18 teams if they don't turn this around lolololol hahaha lmao silly silly[/quote]
You said it. I agree with it. Buffalo has done well but let's not pretend they were really one of the best 25 teams in the country. Not bad but their OOC SOS was pretty abysmal as well.
Listen I never said Bowling Green was a cupcake, but let's not pretend they are the kind of quality wins that would put STJ over the top on selection Sunday is STJ can get into the conversation on selection Sunday. STJ didn't play anyone of that ilk in the OOC except Duke. The fact that STJ only schedule one team that was a sure thing Quad 1 win OOC is telling. Luckily there are multiple opportunities in conference.
Buffalo must be the worst #18 team in the history of #18 teams if they don't turn this around lolololol hahaha lmao silly silly[/quote]
You said it. I agree with it. Buffalo has done well but let's not pretend they were really one of the best 25 teams in the country. Not bad but their OOC SOS was pretty abysmal as well.
Listen I never said Bowling Green was a cupcake, but let's not pretend they are the kind of quality wins that would put STJ over the top on selection Sunday is STJ can get into the conversation on selection Sunday. STJ didn't play anyone of that ilk in the OOC except Duke. The fact that STJ only schedule one team that was a sure thing Quad 1 win OOC is telling. Luckily there are multiple opportunities in conference.
[quote="austour" post=320053][quote="Marillac" post=319378][
Buffalo must be the worst #18 team in the history of #18 teams if they don't turn this around lolololol hahaha lmao silly silly[/quote]
You said it. I agree with it. Buffalo has done well but let's not pretend they were really one of the best 25 teams in the country. Not bad but their OOC SOS was pretty abysmal as well.
Listen I never said Bowling Green was a cupcake, but let's not pretend they are the kind of quality wins that would put STJ over the top on selection Sunday is STJ can get into the conversation on selection Sunday. STJ didn't play anyone of that ilk in the OOC except Duke. The fact that STJ only schedule one team that was a sure thing Quad 1 win OOC is telling. Luckily there are multiple opportunities in conference.[/quote]
Bingo. If you want to make the case that Bowling Green is not awful or has turned out to be a little better than initially thought that's fine. Fair.
But stop posting day after day wins against Rutgers, Bowling Green and Georgia Tech as if the committee is sitting there impressed by those 3 wins and the fact that in two of them SJU was in a big struggle for most of the game.
Buffalo must be the worst #18 team in the history of #18 teams if they don't turn this around lolololol hahaha lmao silly silly[/quote]
You said it. I agree with it. Buffalo has done well but let's not pretend they were really one of the best 25 teams in the country. Not bad but their OOC SOS was pretty abysmal as well.
Listen I never said Bowling Green was a cupcake, but let's not pretend they are the kind of quality wins that would put STJ over the top on selection Sunday is STJ can get into the conversation on selection Sunday. STJ didn't play anyone of that ilk in the OOC except Duke. The fact that STJ only schedule one team that was a sure thing Quad 1 win OOC is telling. Luckily there are multiple opportunities in conference.[/quote]
Bingo. If you want to make the case that Bowling Green is not awful or has turned out to be a little better than initially thought that's fine. Fair.
But stop posting day after day wins against Rutgers, Bowling Green and Georgia Tech as if the committee is sitting there impressed by those 3 wins and the fact that in two of them SJU was in a big struggle for most of the game.
Let's all at least agree the VCU win, assuming it stays Q1, is an excellent victory. Q1 victories are very tough to get OOC, and there is obviously no category above it. Nobody preseason projected VCU to be a Q1 game.
I would consider our multiple Q2 OOC as good wins as well, but at least the VCU win shouldn't be debated.
I would consider our multiple Q2 OOC as good wins as well, but at least the VCU win shouldn't be debated.
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Just as I expected you guys spinning those teams as you like. But the bottom line is we need to take care of our own business from here on out. Those teams mean nothing if we don’t win more than we lose from this point forward. 2 out of 3 on this road trip would be excellent. I think we win at Marquette.
Those teams performance matters because it effects out bottom line. You don’t have to think the schedule is tough or not tough to understand that.
[quote="Adam" post=320051]Room- I actually think MSG BET counts as home games for us unfortunately. Or at best, semi-home games or something like that. Not sure how NET will categorize them, but I'm guessing they'll be home.
That means we'd need to beat Nova or Marquette.[/quote]
Kenpom considers it semi-home.
I believe NET considers any game that is not part of either teams' season ticket plan to be neutral.
That means we'd need to beat Nova or Marquette.[/quote]
Kenpom considers it semi-home.
I believe NET considers any game that is not part of either teams' season ticket plan to be neutral.
[quote="SJU61982" post=320114][quote="Adam" post=320051]Room- I actually think MSG BET counts as home games for us unfortunately. Or at best, semi-home games or something like that. Not sure how NET will categorize them, but I'm guessing they'll be home.
That means we'd need to beat Nova or Marquette.[/quote]
Kenpom considers it semi-home.
I believe NET considers any game that is not part of either teams' season ticket plan to be neutral.[/quote]
Last year, the NCAA considered our games in the Big East Tournament as home games.
That means we'd need to beat Nova or Marquette.[/quote]
Kenpom considers it semi-home.
I believe NET considers any game that is not part of either teams' season ticket plan to be neutral.[/quote]
Last year, the NCAA considered our games in the Big East Tournament as home games.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25923557/welcome-start-madness
I don't think anybody needs to worry about Q1 wins. Other bubble teams like NC State, VCU, Florida, and Temple only have 1 currently.
I don't think anybody needs to worry about Q1 wins. Other bubble teams like NC State, VCU, Florida, and Temple only have 1 currently.
[quote="Room112" post=320647]Bowling Green won again tonight. They're on top in the Mid America conference still. Their next game is a big one at home against Toledo on 2/9. Toledo is ranked 42 in RPI.[/quote]
Lot of people into travails of BG. Don't hope they get too good they may upset us in a 7-10 matchup in the NCAA T.
Lot of people into travails of BG. Don't hope they get too good they may upset us in a 7-10 matchup in the NCAA T.
[quote="fordham96" post=320080][quote="austour" post=320053][quote="Marillac" post=319378][
Buffalo must be the worst #18 team in the history of #18 teams if they don't turn this around lolololol hahaha lmao silly silly[/quote]
You said it. I agree with it. Buffalo has done well but let's not pretend they were really one of the best 25 teams in the country. Not bad but their OOC SOS was pretty abysmal as well.
Listen I never said Bowling Green was a cupcake, but let's not pretend they are the kind of quality wins that would put STJ over the top on selection Sunday is STJ can get into the conversation on selection Sunday. STJ didn't play anyone of that ilk in the OOC except Duke. The fact that STJ only schedule one team that was a sure thing Quad 1 win OOC is telling. Luckily there are multiple opportunities in conference.[/quote]
Bingo. If you want to make the case that Bowling Green is not awful or has turned out to be a little better than initially thought that's fine. Fair.
But stop posting day after day wins against Rutgers, Bowling Green and Georgia Tech as if the committee is sitting there impressed by those 3 wins and the fact that in two of them SJU was in a big struggle for most of the game.[/quote]
First of all, almost every program in the country keeps track of the performance of past opponents.
Second, Bowling Green is not just “a little better than initially thought.” They were picked for dead last in the MAC and they are in first place...they are much better and one of the surprises of this college basketball season.
Third, selection Sunday comes down to team sheets. The committee can’t remember the full resumes of 100 teams. Just like any intense endeavor such as studying for the medical boards or the bar exam, you start with a large amount of information and then you almost solely rely on short, tight outlines with no extra fat in crunch time. For the selection committee it will be NET ranking, rankings in the other metrics, key wins, bad losses, and record against Q1 and Q2 opponents.
Right now we have 4 Quad1 wins. We benefit from Georgia Tech and Rutgers remaining Q2 wins. It will balance out some of our Q2 losses.
It’s comical to think that the committee will consider us “struggling for most of the game” against Ga Tech and Bowling Green.
Buffalo must be the worst #18 team in the history of #18 teams if they don't turn this around lolololol hahaha lmao silly silly[/quote]
You said it. I agree with it. Buffalo has done well but let's not pretend they were really one of the best 25 teams in the country. Not bad but their OOC SOS was pretty abysmal as well.
Listen I never said Bowling Green was a cupcake, but let's not pretend they are the kind of quality wins that would put STJ over the top on selection Sunday is STJ can get into the conversation on selection Sunday. STJ didn't play anyone of that ilk in the OOC except Duke. The fact that STJ only schedule one team that was a sure thing Quad 1 win OOC is telling. Luckily there are multiple opportunities in conference.[/quote]
Bingo. If you want to make the case that Bowling Green is not awful or has turned out to be a little better than initially thought that's fine. Fair.
But stop posting day after day wins against Rutgers, Bowling Green and Georgia Tech as if the committee is sitting there impressed by those 3 wins and the fact that in two of them SJU was in a big struggle for most of the game.[/quote]
First of all, almost every program in the country keeps track of the performance of past opponents.
Second, Bowling Green is not just “a little better than initially thought.” They were picked for dead last in the MAC and they are in first place...they are much better and one of the surprises of this college basketball season.
Third, selection Sunday comes down to team sheets. The committee can’t remember the full resumes of 100 teams. Just like any intense endeavor such as studying for the medical boards or the bar exam, you start with a large amount of information and then you almost solely rely on short, tight outlines with no extra fat in crunch time. For the selection committee it will be NET ranking, rankings in the other metrics, key wins, bad losses, and record against Q1 and Q2 opponents.
Right now we have 4 Quad1 wins. We benefit from Georgia Tech and Rutgers remaining Q2 wins. It will balance out some of our Q2 losses.
It’s comical to think that the committee will consider us “struggling for most of the game” against Ga Tech and Bowling Green.
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GoldenLeaf
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Toledo will win.
Ok guys, get ready for some fun...
I've been saying since end of December that 9-9 would get us in while a lot of people said we needed 11 or 12. Now that we have 4 Q1 wins I'm going to revise that.
8-10, with perhaps 1 BET win, most likely gets us in. I hinted at this weeks ago, but now I feel confident in saying it given the quality of our wins. Hear me out.
Right now our NET is #40 at .500 in the Big East. Now, granted most remaining Big East games (plus BET) are at home so that will drop some if we finish 4-6 (3-5 in conference and 1-1 BET). However, I don't think we'd drop enough to move out of the top 50.
2 arguments against this that I'll get ahead of:
1. 8-10 isn't good enough for a major conference team to make the Tournament- completely false. Last year alone there were 5 teams that finished 8-10 in conference who made the Dance.
2. Well maybe some teams with great SOS could at 8-10, but not us- this may be true, but for the most part I disagree. SOS doesn't matter nearly as much as actually winning against the best. The thing about St. John's is we've done REALLY well against Q1 teams. That is what the Committee cares about when evaluating bubble teams. I posted yesterday that at least 4 other bubble teams only have 1 Q1 win. NC State for example has played a bunch of Q1 ACC+OOC games, but only has 1 W. Temple has only 1 and I'm not even sure if they'll have another opportunity on their schedule. I could go on, but overall our resume would be pretty good even at 8-10.
Would I feel comfortable at 8-10 with a BET win? Of course not, but I do think most likely we'd make it. That said, this post probably won't matter as I think we'll go 9-9 or better.
I've been saying since end of December that 9-9 would get us in while a lot of people said we needed 11 or 12. Now that we have 4 Q1 wins I'm going to revise that.
8-10, with perhaps 1 BET win, most likely gets us in. I hinted at this weeks ago, but now I feel confident in saying it given the quality of our wins. Hear me out.
Right now our NET is #40 at .500 in the Big East. Now, granted most remaining Big East games (plus BET) are at home so that will drop some if we finish 4-6 (3-5 in conference and 1-1 BET). However, I don't think we'd drop enough to move out of the top 50.
2 arguments against this that I'll get ahead of:
1. 8-10 isn't good enough for a major conference team to make the Tournament- completely false. Last year alone there were 5 teams that finished 8-10 in conference who made the Dance.
2. Well maybe some teams with great SOS could at 8-10, but not us- this may be true, but for the most part I disagree. SOS doesn't matter nearly as much as actually winning against the best. The thing about St. John's is we've done REALLY well against Q1 teams. That is what the Committee cares about when evaluating bubble teams. I posted yesterday that at least 4 other bubble teams only have 1 Q1 win. NC State for example has played a bunch of Q1 ACC+OOC games, but only has 1 W. Temple has only 1 and I'm not even sure if they'll have another opportunity on their schedule. I could go on, but overall our resume would be pretty good even at 8-10.
Would I feel comfortable at 8-10 with a BET win? Of course not, but I do think most likely we'd make it. That said, this post probably won't matter as I think we'll go 9-9 or better.
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[quote="Adam" post=320714]Ok guys, get ready for some fun...
I've been saying since end of December that 9-9 would get us in while a lot of people said we needed 11 or 12. Now that we have 4 Q1 wins I'm going to revise that.
8-10, with perhaps 1 BET win, most likely gets us in. I hinted at this weeks ago, but now I feel confident in saying it given the quality of our wins. Hear me out.
Right now our NET is #40 at .500 in the Big East. Now, granted most remaining Big East games (plus BET) are at home so that will drop some if we finish 4-6 (3-5 in conference and 1-1 BET). However, I don't think we'd drop enough to move out of the top 50.
2 arguments against this that I'll get ahead of:
1. 8-10 isn't good enough for a major conference team to make the Tournament- completely false. Last year alone there were 5 teams that finished 8-10 in conference who made the Dance.
2. Well maybe some teams with great SOS could at 8-10, but not us- this may be true, but for the most part I disagree. SOS doesn't matter nearly as much as actually winning against the best. The thing about St. John's is we've done REALLY well against Q1 teams. That is what the Committee cares about when evaluating bubble teams. I posted yesterday that at least 4 other bubble teams only have 1 Q1 win. NC State for example has played a bunch of Q1 ACC+OOC games, but only has 1 W. Temple has only 1 and I'm not even sure if they'll have another opportunity on their schedule. I could go on, but overall our resume would be pretty good even at 8-10.
Would I feel comfortable at 8-10 with a BET win? Of course not, but I do think most likely we'd make it. That said, this post probably won't matter as I think we'll go 9-9 or better.[/quote]
What also benefits your argument is how soft the bubble is around the country. There simply is not a lot of separation once you get past the top 10 or so teams, with ranked teams and teams receiving votes often losing each week.
I'd also be curious to see how many teams around the country have 4 Q1 wins at this point.
I've been saying since end of December that 9-9 would get us in while a lot of people said we needed 11 or 12. Now that we have 4 Q1 wins I'm going to revise that.
8-10, with perhaps 1 BET win, most likely gets us in. I hinted at this weeks ago, but now I feel confident in saying it given the quality of our wins. Hear me out.
Right now our NET is #40 at .500 in the Big East. Now, granted most remaining Big East games (plus BET) are at home so that will drop some if we finish 4-6 (3-5 in conference and 1-1 BET). However, I don't think we'd drop enough to move out of the top 50.
2 arguments against this that I'll get ahead of:
1. 8-10 isn't good enough for a major conference team to make the Tournament- completely false. Last year alone there were 5 teams that finished 8-10 in conference who made the Dance.
2. Well maybe some teams with great SOS could at 8-10, but not us- this may be true, but for the most part I disagree. SOS doesn't matter nearly as much as actually winning against the best. The thing about St. John's is we've done REALLY well against Q1 teams. That is what the Committee cares about when evaluating bubble teams. I posted yesterday that at least 4 other bubble teams only have 1 Q1 win. NC State for example has played a bunch of Q1 ACC+OOC games, but only has 1 W. Temple has only 1 and I'm not even sure if they'll have another opportunity on their schedule. I could go on, but overall our resume would be pretty good even at 8-10.
Would I feel comfortable at 8-10 with a BET win? Of course not, but I do think most likely we'd make it. That said, this post probably won't matter as I think we'll go 9-9 or better.
[/quote]What also benefits your argument is how soft the bubble is around the country. There simply is not a lot of separation once you get past the top 10 or so teams, with ranked teams and teams receiving votes often losing each week.
I'd also be curious to see how many teams around the country have 4 Q1 wins at this point.
JohnnyFever
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Indiana had just beaten #6 MSU, and they're one of the last teams in along with us, so that helps big time. Indiana is also 2 games below .500 in their conference and we are now .500. We completely control our own destiny now...we have to realize that and play accordingly. Want to dance? Win most of the home games. Simple as that. By the way, Jordan Tucker of Butler has been awful since demolishing us from 3. If he's still cold when they come to NY there's no reason we can't get revenge.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=320723]Indiana had just beaten #6 MSU, and they're one of the last teams in along with us, so that helps big time. Indiana is also 2 games below .500 in their conference and we are now .500. We completely control our own destiny now...we have to realize that and play accordingly. Want to dance? Win most of the home games. Simple as that. By the way, Jordan Tucker of Butler has been awful since demolishing us from 3. If he's still cold when they come to NY there's no reason we can't get revenge.[/quote]
We will spank Butler at home. That game was a clunker for us, they shot the lights out, Tucker played over his ability and they had home court. We will get the W. Lets first concentrate on Providence. One game focus.
We will spank Butler at home. That game was a clunker for us, they shot the lights out, Tucker played over his ability and they had home court. We will get the W. Lets first concentrate on Providence. One game focus.
[quote="Adam" post=320714]Ok guys, get ready for some fun...
I've been saying since end of December that 9-9 would get us in while a lot of people said we needed 11 or 12. Now that we have 4 Q1 wins I'm going to revise that.
8-10, with perhaps 1 BET win, most likely gets us in. I hinted at this weeks ago, but now I feel confident in saying it given the quality of our wins. Hear me out.
Right now our NET is #40 at .500 in the Big East. Now, granted most remaining Big East games (plus BET) are at home so that will drop some if we finish 4-6 (3-5 in conference and 1-1 BET). However, I don't think we'd drop enough to move out of the top 50.
2 arguments against this that I'll get ahead of:
1. 8-10 isn't good enough for a major conference team to make the Tournament- completely false. Last year alone there were 5 teams that finished 8-10 in conference who made the Dance.
2. Well maybe some teams with great SOS could at 8-10, but not us- this may be true, but for the most part I disagree. SOS doesn't matter nearly as much as actually winning against the best. The thing about St. John's is we've done REALLY well against Q1 teams. That is what the Committee cares about when evaluating bubble teams. I posted yesterday that at least 4 other bubble teams only have 1 Q1 win. NC State for example has played a bunch of Q1 ACC+OOC games, but only has 1 W. Temple has only 1 and I'm not even sure if they'll have another opportunity on their schedule. I could go on, but overall our resume would be pretty good even at 8-10.
Would I feel comfortable at 8-10 with a BET win? Of course not, but I do think most likely we'd make it. That said, this post probably won't matter as I think we'll go 9-9 or better.[/quote]
Conference tournament games aren’t considered home games by the NCAA regardless where they take place.
I’m not sure how KenPom and other rankings treat them. I wouldn’t be shocked if KenPom ruled them semi-home.
I've been saying since end of December that 9-9 would get us in while a lot of people said we needed 11 or 12. Now that we have 4 Q1 wins I'm going to revise that.
8-10, with perhaps 1 BET win, most likely gets us in. I hinted at this weeks ago, but now I feel confident in saying it given the quality of our wins. Hear me out.
Right now our NET is #40 at .500 in the Big East. Now, granted most remaining Big East games (plus BET) are at home so that will drop some if we finish 4-6 (3-5 in conference and 1-1 BET). However, I don't think we'd drop enough to move out of the top 50.
2 arguments against this that I'll get ahead of:
1. 8-10 isn't good enough for a major conference team to make the Tournament- completely false. Last year alone there were 5 teams that finished 8-10 in conference who made the Dance.
2. Well maybe some teams with great SOS could at 8-10, but not us- this may be true, but for the most part I disagree. SOS doesn't matter nearly as much as actually winning against the best. The thing about St. John's is we've done REALLY well against Q1 teams. That is what the Committee cares about when evaluating bubble teams. I posted yesterday that at least 4 other bubble teams only have 1 Q1 win. NC State for example has played a bunch of Q1 ACC+OOC games, but only has 1 W. Temple has only 1 and I'm not even sure if they'll have another opportunity on their schedule. I could go on, but overall our resume would be pretty good even at 8-10.
Would I feel comfortable at 8-10 with a BET win? Of course not, but I do think most likely we'd make it. That said, this post probably won't matter as I think we'll go 9-9 or better.
[/quote]Conference tournament games aren’t considered home games by the NCAA regardless where they take place.
I’m not sure how KenPom and other rankings treat them. I wouldn’t be shocked if KenPom ruled them semi-home.