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[quote="Beast of the East" post=273881][quote="Class of 72" post=273874][quote="gman" post=273849][quote="Beast of the East" post=273810][quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:
Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for
Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]
I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]
My dad would say Miller's lawyers were smart enough to ask and Arizona's lawyers were dumb enough to sign the deal.[/quote]
Kind of like Slice's agent and lawyers and St. John's Oliva. All with the support, if not insistence, of a head coach who lobbied for the job while the incumbent head coach was dancing toward an NCAA bid.[/quote]
I don't think it actually went down that way. The people who make the decisions were really on the fence about Lavin. I think that if Lavin had won one or two NCAA games, he would have been back, impossible to fire. I was at the HOF induction for Mullin, CJ Nitkowski, Kia Wright, and a few others. It was long overdue for Mullin, and the first time his schedule would allow it. That was way before any decision to terminate Lavin was made. Chris did spend a pretty long time privately chatting with Coach C. at the event. Don't know the content, of course. I just think that someone could have floated the idea then that weekend. If you want to pervert that into Chris lobbying for the job, it's your prerogative, but I think it's pretty reckless of you to do so, and is just vitriol for your anger over our poor record under Mullin.
It was also pretty clear that Lavin wasn't having a stellar recruiting class coming in, and when we went out quickly in the tourney along with Obekpa's suspension, the change was made. I don't know what the obsession is with Mullin's $2 million salary. Very few people at SJU can say that their support of the team is helping to pay significantly (unless you want to count your season tix). It was a lot easier to spend that amount once Lavin was paid that. Whether Mullin demanded it, or SJU offered it, the fact is, it's his salary, and if he was making more or less wouldn't change our record or anyone's life on here.[/quote]
Let me this say again as I have stated in the past, going back to the Lavin era - I do not root for St. John’s because of who the coach may be but because I support the kids that wear our uniform. If the coach had any influence over my support I would have stopped buying tickets when Brian Mahoney was selected as coach. Although I, like most fans, whether they want to admit it or not, was flabbergasted when St. John's hired Chris Mullin 48 hours after Lavin's departure, once he became our coach along with the Slice and Matt hires, I was on board with the change. Is that crystal clear to you??
You want to sound holier than thou, be my guest!
YOU think that someone could have floated the idea then that weekend.??? NO SHIT SHERLOCK! That was long before we had any issues or final recruiting concerns. That's when it was "floated". Odd when you consider that 2015 season refusing to meet with Lavin regarding any contract extension that had hamstrung his recruiting since the previous season. Odd in that until that game on March 20th with Obekpa out, we had spent 8 weeks nationally ranked or receiving votes. Odd, that the preceeding three months of Chris Mullin's busy schedule, he and his agent had time to work out all the details of his becoming the $2 million coach, sans experience, that many here, maybe you too, criticized as being too rich for what we were getting. Odd in that Mullin was walking a fine line with that house cards that eventually fell called the Sacramento Kings.
So, when you sarcastically say "you want to pervert that into Chris lobbying for the job, it's your prerogative, but I think it's pretty reckless of you to do so, and is just vitriol for your anger over our poor record under Mullin.", it's your prerogative to accuse my opinion as reckless and being vitriolic when the circumstances, even to the most naive Homer such as yourself, dictate otherwise. Be my guest! Be defensive. Deny, deny, and doubt. It's your prerogative!
You, and your cadre, can think had Lavin won ONE NCAA game he would be renewed as coach, can continue imagining. Mullin was already on board before the Big East Tournament and before the pot smoking kid was tested. Good thing they didn't test Sheed also. Lavin’s fate was sealed on November 13, 2014. That's the day Briscoe verballed to Kentucky. No contract, no Briscoe, his days became numbered. By the start of that season fans here has written him off, he had little dialog with the administration and a few sociopaths masquerading as "supporters" privately and publicly started "vitriolic" assaults that only ended with the hire of our saviour Chris Mullin.
We'll buddy, right now it is Chris Mullin that needs saving.
I detest fake fans knocking my team, like that guy Marco Baldi, but I could give a flying fck if anyone wants to be critical of coaches because that's where the BUCK $ STOP.
Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for
Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]
I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]
My dad would say Miller's lawyers were smart enough to ask and Arizona's lawyers were dumb enough to sign the deal.[/quote]
Kind of like Slice's agent and lawyers and St. John's Oliva. All with the support, if not insistence, of a head coach who lobbied for the job while the incumbent head coach was dancing toward an NCAA bid.[/quote]
I don't think it actually went down that way. The people who make the decisions were really on the fence about Lavin. I think that if Lavin had won one or two NCAA games, he would have been back, impossible to fire. I was at the HOF induction for Mullin, CJ Nitkowski, Kia Wright, and a few others. It was long overdue for Mullin, and the first time his schedule would allow it. That was way before any decision to terminate Lavin was made. Chris did spend a pretty long time privately chatting with Coach C. at the event. Don't know the content, of course. I just think that someone could have floated the idea then that weekend. If you want to pervert that into Chris lobbying for the job, it's your prerogative, but I think it's pretty reckless of you to do so, and is just vitriol for your anger over our poor record under Mullin.
It was also pretty clear that Lavin wasn't having a stellar recruiting class coming in, and when we went out quickly in the tourney along with Obekpa's suspension, the change was made. I don't know what the obsession is with Mullin's $2 million salary. Very few people at SJU can say that their support of the team is helping to pay significantly (unless you want to count your season tix). It was a lot easier to spend that amount once Lavin was paid that. Whether Mullin demanded it, or SJU offered it, the fact is, it's his salary, and if he was making more or less wouldn't change our record or anyone's life on here.[/quote]
Let me this say again as I have stated in the past, going back to the Lavin era - I do not root for St. John’s because of who the coach may be but because I support the kids that wear our uniform. If the coach had any influence over my support I would have stopped buying tickets when Brian Mahoney was selected as coach. Although I, like most fans, whether they want to admit it or not, was flabbergasted when St. John's hired Chris Mullin 48 hours after Lavin's departure, once he became our coach along with the Slice and Matt hires, I was on board with the change. Is that crystal clear to you??
You want to sound holier than thou, be my guest!
YOU think that someone could have floated the idea then that weekend.??? NO SHIT SHERLOCK! That was long before we had any issues or final recruiting concerns. That's when it was "floated". Odd when you consider that 2015 season refusing to meet with Lavin regarding any contract extension that had hamstrung his recruiting since the previous season. Odd in that until that game on March 20th with Obekpa out, we had spent 8 weeks nationally ranked or receiving votes. Odd, that the preceeding three months of Chris Mullin's busy schedule, he and his agent had time to work out all the details of his becoming the $2 million coach, sans experience, that many here, maybe you too, criticized as being too rich for what we were getting. Odd in that Mullin was walking a fine line with that house cards that eventually fell called the Sacramento Kings.
So, when you sarcastically say "you want to pervert that into Chris lobbying for the job, it's your prerogative, but I think it's pretty reckless of you to do so, and is just vitriol for your anger over our poor record under Mullin.", it's your prerogative to accuse my opinion as reckless and being vitriolic when the circumstances, even to the most naive Homer such as yourself, dictate otherwise. Be my guest! Be defensive. Deny, deny, and doubt. It's your prerogative!
You, and your cadre, can think had Lavin won ONE NCAA game he would be renewed as coach, can continue imagining. Mullin was already on board before the Big East Tournament and before the pot smoking kid was tested. Good thing they didn't test Sheed also. Lavin’s fate was sealed on November 13, 2014. That's the day Briscoe verballed to Kentucky. No contract, no Briscoe, his days became numbered. By the start of that season fans here has written him off, he had little dialog with the administration and a few sociopaths masquerading as "supporters" privately and publicly started "vitriolic" assaults that only ended with the hire of our saviour Chris Mullin.
We'll buddy, right now it is Chris Mullin that needs saving.
I detest fake fans knocking my team, like that guy Marco Baldi, but I could give a flying fck if anyone wants to be critical of coaches because that's where the BUCK $ STOP.
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