NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs

[quote="Beast of the East" post=273810][quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for no reason.

Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]

I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]

My dad would say Miller's lawyers were smart enough to ask and Arizona's lawyers were dumb enough to sign the deal.
 
[quote="gman" post=273848]What a shocker that LSU is getting investigated by both the NCAA and FBI. Anyone with a clue would tell you things have been dirty there for a while.

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Here is the problem gman, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, and Michigan State have all been mentioned by the FBI. However, they have Hall of Fame coaches. It is easy to go after a young coach like Will Wade especially since he is at LSU.

Thee NCAA should have been blown up after they let North Carolina get away with rampant cheating.
 
[quote="panther2" post=273851][quote="gman" post=273848]What a shocker that LSU is getting investigated by both the NCAA and FBI. Anyone with a clue would tell you things have been dirty there for a while.

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Here is the problem gman, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, and Michigan State have all been mentioned by the FBI. However, they have Hall of Fame coaches. It is easy to go after a young coach like Will Wade especially since he is at LSU.

Thee NCAA should have been blown up after they let North Carolina get away with rampant cheating.[/quote]

I 100% agree
 
Zach's column links the dirty agent Miller, Tiny Morton, Pitino and Willard in getting Sebastian Talfair to Louisville. You would have to really search to find a more dishonest group than this. But I'm sure Seton Hall's internal investigation will find Willard lily pure.
 
Does anyone know what college or high school Tiny Morton is now coaching at ?
 
Not sure if the NCAA is more corrupt or incompetent.
 
[quote="gman" post=273849][quote="Beast of the East" post=273810][quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for

Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]

I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]

My dad would say Miller's lawyers were smart enough to ask and Arizona's lawyers were dumb enough to sign the deal.[/quote]

Kind of like Slice's agent and lawyers and St. John's Oliva. All with the support, if not insistence, of a head coach who lobbied for the job while the incumbent head coach was dancing toward an NCAA bid.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273874][quote="gman" post=273849][quote="Beast of the East" post=273810][quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for

Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]

I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]

My dad would say Miller's lawyers were smart enough to ask and Arizona's lawyers were dumb enough to sign the deal.[/quote]

Kind of like Slice's agent and lawyers and St. John's Oliva. All with the support, if not insistence, of a head coach who lobbied for the job while the incumbent head coach was dancing toward an NCAA bid.[/quote]

I don't think it actually went down that way. The people who make the decisions were really on the fence about Lavin. I think that if Lavin had won one or two NCAA games, he would have been back, impossible to fire. I was at the HOF induction for Mullin, CJ Nitkowski, Kia Wright, and a few others. It was long overdue for Mullin, and the first time his schedule would allow it. That was way before any decision to terminate Lavin was made. Chris did spend a pretty long time privately chatting with Coach C. at the event. Don't know the content, of course. I just think that someone could have floated the idea then that weekend. If you want to pervert that into Chris lobbying for the job, it's your prerogative, but I think it's pretty reckless of you to do so, and is just vitriol for your anger over our poor record under Mullin.

It was also pretty clear that Lavin wasn't having a stellar recruiting class coming in, and when we went out quickly in the tourney along with Obekpa's suspension, the change was made. I don't know what the obsession is with Mullin's $2 million salary. Very few people at SJU can say that their support of the team is helping to pay significantly (unless you want to count your season tix). It was a lot easier to spend that amount once Lavin was paid that. Whether Mullin demanded it, or SJU offered it, the fact is, it's his salary, and if he was making more or less wouldn't change our record or anyone's life on here.
 
If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.
 
As frank61 stated the purpose of the NCAA should be to ensure as close as possible a level playing field for its' members. What we have now is all the elite programs cheating because they know their competitives are all cheating and to stay at the top of their profession they feel they have to cheat. And it is so easy to do because of the ineptness and lack of power in the NCAA.
If the sport became a totally honest sport tomorrow these elite programs would remain the top programs because of their facilities, league, tradition etc. but because the NCAA turns a blind eye to the illegal payments which just about everyone involved in the sport admits is going on the sport becomes a farce which has s what it is now.
 
[quote="frank61" post=273890]If the NCAA does the investigation, and does not treat all schools and coaches the same way, then it would be a great time to shred the organization and start with an entire new organization. The time for 'FAVORITE COACHES OR SCHOOLS must end. Until then there will never be a level playing field. To continue knowing those things would be an act of stupidity. All schools should insist on a NEW ORGANIZATION.[/quote]

What makes you think a new organization would be better? It is bound to be football-centric for one thing and billions of dollars at stake will not lead to a more level playing field.
 
I am guessing Sean Miller never watched an episode of the Wire or Goodfellas. Why would you discuss those things over a phone? At least use a burner.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=273897]I am guessing Sean Miller never watched an episode of the Wire or Goodfellas. Why would you discuss those things over a phone? At least use a burner.[/quote]


He is not the only one that will be caught by wiretaps. This is just tip of iceberg.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=273810][quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for no reason.


Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]

I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]

While I do not do employment contracts, none of the contracts I have worked on include clauses for termination for cause where the terminated party actually gets “serverance” pay. The concept itself is ridiculous.
 
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IF the Hall is guilty, this must stick. And I’m not being vindictive. Any school or current college player proved guilty of these payoffs must pay the penalty.
Yeah, I know that’s NOT the case—and may never be, but for the good of college sports it should be.
 
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[quote="SJU85" post=273902][quote="Beast of the East" post=273810][quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for no reason.


Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]

I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.[/quote]

While I do not do employment contracts, none of the contracts I have worked on include clauses for termination for cause where the terminated party actually gets “serverance” pay. The concept itself is ridiculous.[/quote]

The only possible thing I can think of that makes sense, is that Miller wanted protection against others in the program committing an offense that he would take the fall for. I cannot think that he would get severance for being fired with cause for his own offense. Whenever you begin with thinking that something ridiculous has happened, there is usually what appears to be a plausible reason behind it.
 
Schools caught should be severely punished. Loss of all scholarships for one year, three year ban on post season, clean players free to leave the program with unrestricted transfer to schools of their choice. Put some TEETH in the penalties.
 
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