NCAA corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs

So Miller will not coach tonight but the player who he was giving the ok to get paid on the wiretap Dandre Ayton is allowed to play?? Miles Bridges is playing also.
 
[quote="Knight" post=273645]Zachary reports
Chris Mullin said he isn't concerned scandal will include St. John's at some point. #sjubb[/quote]

Mullin has no clue how to "buy" talent. He banished the only guy on staff that had any experience in that area according to Logen,;)
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=273665]Mullin has no clue how to "buy" talent. He banished the only guy on staff that had any experience in that area according to Logen,;)[/quote]

Logen isn't wrong.
 
[quote="billthetruth" post=273612]Respectfully disagree GMAN. Miller ain’t only big time coach on wiretaps. FBI has NCAA by the balls in vice grip.

Many big time programs face a lot of trouble

Wire taped recording don’t lie. Ask mafia. That makes all the rats jump ship

A lot of coaches are going to be singing to try to save their own butts[/quote]

We aren’t disagreeing. I said it would only be a big deal if they had proof the coaches knew otherwise it would be slaps on the wrist for schools who could plead ignorance.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=273631]Seton Hall is hiring outside firm to conduct internal investigation[/quote]

Strange fallouts for Seton Hall?

Maybe they will have to relinguish their 2017-18 Ws and then, wow, we get two more Ws in return I suppose!
We unexpectedly become 15-13 and tourney bound lol
 
[quote="gman" post=273729][quote="billthetruth" post=273612]Respectfully disagree GMAN. Miller ain’t only big time coach on wiretaps. FBI has NCAA by the balls in vice grip.

Many big time programs face a lot of trouble

Wire taped recording don’t lie. Ask mafia. That makes all the rats jump ship

A lot of coaches are going to be singing to try to save their own butts[/quote]

We aren’t disagreeing. I said it would only be a big deal if they had proof the coaches knew otherwise it would be slaps on the wrist for schools who could plead ignorance.[/quote]


AND there are other sneaker companies yet to step up to the FBI plate with more runners, agents, coaches, kids and wiretaps. Who sang “ We’ve Only Just Begun”???
( Was it Karen Carpenter RIP )

The Sean Millers and Rick Pitinos of the world must be sooo smug and brazen that they continue to sleep well at night and continue to deny, deny, deny... maybe the Russians and Chinese hacked and fabricated the FBI wiretaps,
Yeah right :silly:
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=273320]Of this newest list I wonder how much of it actually indicts the schools since I assume these "loans" are based upon the players getting a professional contract.[/quote]


Paul, here is what the average person does not understand. Calapari and other coaches have been encouraging recruits to hook up with agents so that they can claim ignorance when the dam breaks. Miller only got caught because it is on tape..

I went to the St. Johns/Kentucky game in Lexington during Lavin's second year, when Dunlap was coaching. In the restaurant before the game, damn near every Kentucky players' family and girlfriends were there being entertained by Worldwide Wes. Now, I am not a genius, but I know all of these people could not afford to make this trip in the middle of the week. This has been going on for a very long time.
 
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[quote="panther2" post=273733][quote="Paul Massell" post=273320]Of this newest list I wonder how much of it actually indicts the schools since I assume these "loans" are based upon the players getting a professional contract.[/quote]


Paul, here is what the average person does not understand. Calapari and other coaches have been encouraging recruits to hook up with agents so that they can claim ignorance when the dam breaks. Miller only got caught because it is on tape..

I went to the St. Johns/Kentucky game in Lexington during Lavin's second year, when Dunlap was coaching. In the restaurant before the game, damn near every Kentucky players' family and girlfriends were there being entertained by Worldwide Wes. Now, I am not a genius, but I know all of these people could not afford to make this trip in the middle of the week. This has been going on for a very long time.[/quote]

Kind of ironic that Miller doesn't coach against Oregon who on scale (Nike money) might be the dirtiest program of all yet look like they are on the side of the angels in this moment against AZ. Almost seems like this is all a Nike conspiracy to take down Adidas via the FBI. Wes is a Nike friend.
 
I wouldn't suggest anyone get excited about the big boys paying a steep price. I predict the behavior will be declared "widespread" and some sort off amnesty will be granted.

Bottom line.....whatever Coach K can be found guilty of will be forgiven across the board.
 
I agree JohnnyFan. After the North Carolina travesty, it is clear that the NCAA will do whatever provides the greatest financial benefit to the NCAA. The athletes should get paid for their effort, not the NCAA. Dissolve the NCAA and start over with a new organization. If the big programs want to play in their own league with paid athletes, go for it.
 
Still don’t like the idea of paying kids. I think:
1) no minimum one year college requirement.
2) NBA should expand and pump money in to and the D league, and use it as a minor league in the same way MLB does. Let kids have the option of developing their game as professionals or in college
3) if kid commits to go to college, his compensation is his tuition, room and board, etc and a stipend for living expenses(since a part time job isn’t practical)
4) Minimum 2 or 3 year stay in college before kid is eligible for NBA or D league

I don’t personally care if the top 50-100 kids coming out of high school each year never play college ball. The product will still be great.
 
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Good thoughts Monte.
In fact, I think the baseball model a great template to follow, or at least explore. The top kids opting to play pro ball from HS—say the first 5-6 rounds—get great to ‘okay’ bonus $$$’s, but the road to the Show comprises 3-5+ years in the minors, riding buses, and living on miserly stipends.
This prevails for the vast majority of HS kids jumping to pro baseball— including many highly-touted HS kids, picked in the first 1-3 rounds.
College is the better way to aim for the pros. Your ‘game’ is refined and improved, you mature and grow stronger, you’re on scholarship, and after 3 years—you can reap much bigger $$$$-bonuses than most HS kids get—and typically have a shorter timeline of 1-3 years to the Show.
I’m ignorant of ‘how’ this would get done. Guessing it obviously starts with the NBA and Major Colleges via the NCAA or a successor org structuring a better system.
This one stinks.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=273783]Good thoughts Monte.
In fact, I think the baseball model a great template to follow, or at least explore. The top kids opting to play pro ball from HS—say the first 5-6 rounds—get great to ‘okay’ bonus $$$’s, but the road to the Show comprises 3-5+ years in the minors, riding buses, and living on miserly stipends.
This prevails for the vast majority of HS kids jumping to pro baseball— including many highly-touted HS kids, picked in the first 1-3 rounds.
College is the better way to aim for the pros. Your ‘game’ is refined and improved, you mature and grow stronger, you’re on scholarship, and after 3 years—you can reap much bigger $$$$-bonuses than most HS kids get—and typically have a shorter timeline of 1-3 years to the Show.
I’m ignorant of ‘how’ this would get done. Guessing it obviously starts with the NBA and Major Colleges via the NCAA or a successor org structuring a better system.
This one stinks.[/quote]

Agree completely CD, and also not sure about particulars. Just think that the whole concept of “student-athlete” has become a farce. If a kid wants an eduction then great, but if a kid has no interest in being in school then he shouldn’t be forced to have to go because of lack of options for honing his skills. College should not serve as the minor leagues for the NBA. The entire system is broken(and corrupt as all hell!!!) as you say. It doesn’t need some tweaking, it needs a complete overhaul.
 
I think that attitude is wrong and it is something prevalent in our society today. If you violate the regulations you should be punished for it. You should not be rewarded by saying all is forgiven, let me slap your hand. And oh yes let's change the rules so it fits what you want to do. So we teach people it is okay to violate the rules because there are no real repercussions. In fact, you get rewarded.
 
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If the NCAA does what is right and nullifies wins and removes championships, it could be the best thing for St Johns. The last 10 years and counting while all the so called top schools were winning and we were no where to be found, they won as cheats. They paid the so called students to play. We played a clean honest game and lost. We couldnt recruit because we didnt pay. When I first went to St Johns in the 60's we were the number 3 team in wins all time, we have fallen to number 9 now and a lot has to do with the way our program has been run but a lot also has to do with the other schools cheating and therefore eliminating any chance for us to recruit. I say let the chips fall where they may even if it means tarnishing the legends of some of these coaches. They should be tarnished for the way they "played" the recruiting game
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=273630]saw this on twitter which to me smacks of Collusion by the University:

Sean Miller’s contract, as written, somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. So if Miller is fired with cause, Arizona will owe him approximately $5 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if they fired for no reason.

Why else would the University setup a contract like that unless both sides knew they'd be cheating and the University was basically telling him to do so. So his smart lawyer in return says, OK we will do that BUT my guy needs protection.[/quote]

I do a lot of contract work , including employment contracts. Termination with cause almost always eliminates any severance pay whatsoever. I cannot imagine what you suggest is actually true, but we are living in extraordinary times.
 
[quote="dee" post=273789]If the NCAA does what is right and nullifies wins and removes championships, it could be the best thing for St Johns. The last 10 years and counting while all the so called top schools were winning and we were no where to be found, they won as cheats. They paid the so called students to play. We played a clean honest game and lost. We couldnt recruit because we didnt pay. When I first went to St Johns in the 60's we were the number 3 team in wins all time, we have fallen to number 9 now and a lot has to do with the way our program has been run but a lot also has to do with the other schools cheating and therefore eliminating any chance for us to recruit. I say let the chips fall where they may even if it means tarnishing the legends of some of these coaches. They should be tarnished for the way they "played" the recruiting game[/quote]

Gotta remember the "Dirty" Jarvis Era when we forfeited a lot of games.
 
What a shocker that LSU is getting investigated by both the NCAA and FBI. Anyone with a clue would tell you things have been dirty there for a while.

 
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