My apologies to team and staff

[quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.
 
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I think Jarvis was a disgrace. We had to forfeit 43 wins in games that Abe Keita played.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]
He is a wizard and, as you already mentioned, a victim of our high expectations.

He has always been the focal point of opposition game plans. Not easy unless you can jump over people or speed by them. The fact that he does what he does without those physical skills is amazing. And all tha5vaside, doubt there are many, if any, better finishers at the rim with either hand.
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=323729][quote="JohnnyFan" post=323588]Apparently this board is not so unique. Nova board is killing Gillespie, some critical posts of Jay Wright and many declaring they won't get out of the first round in March. I guess it's all relative.[/quote]

As, I've said many times before.... This board isn't any different than most message boards. The hyperbolic posts believing this board is so different from other boards is funny. I occasionally read other message boards, and trust me when I say there's some outlandish stuff said on those respective boards.[/quote]

Our board is very timid compared to some. Kentucky fans fire Cal after every loss or big time recruit going to a different school.
 
[quote="Section3" post=323773][quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]
He is a wizard and, as you already mentioned, a victim of our high expectations.

He has always been the focal point of opposition game plans. Not easy unless you can jump over people or speed by them. The fact that he does what he does without those physical skills is amazing. And all tha5vaside, doubt there are many, if any, better finishers at the rim with either hand.[/quote]


I think Ponds spent too much time in the summer hanging out with Melo. He reminds me of him with the Knicks. Awful attitude, and has no interest in playing defense on most possessions. I was at the game yesterday and just watched him on defense. When SJU was in man to man he lazily stood in the paint while his man stood wide open on the perimeter. There were countless times when the ball got swung to his man in the corner and he either had a wide open 3 or Ponds tried to close out and got blown by causing the defense to collapse on his man and lead to a kick out to a wide open shooter. If I was an NBA GM I wouldn’t consider him anything else but summer league fodder at this point. Shame because he’s so talented offensively, and a capable defender when he’s actually engaged.
 
In a perfect Redmen world, Ponds would stay for his senior yr. Everyone else returns and Precious signs to come here to play. With that, WE would be ranked preseason and would continue the progression of this program. We cant have anymore players leaving to transfer to other schools.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]

Ponds has the physical talent for the college game. Certainly more than Marcus Howard who will be poy. It's his decision making with the ball in his hands that has hurt him and his in game attitude. Ja Morant is valued for his incredible passing in traffic and size. He's an adequate shooter and plays smarter in game than Shamorie. You teach attitude. You instill discipline and control. That's where our staff has failed Slick.
Jaquan played with Slick only one year and Bud Pollard used the 5-9 guard mostly at pg to showcase him for colleges. He was not the overall talent Shamorie was and in Slick's senior year he played both positions. Tony Chiles was not impressed with Jaquan whose size and speed were going to be issues in college.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=323726][quote="Paul Massell" post=323717][quote="Marillac" post=323716]
The shittiesr inheritance in SJU coaching history was Mullin by a mile. If Mullin started with Lamont Hamton and Showtime we’d wuldnhave danced two years ago.[/quote]

Hamilton was too big and skilled of a big man for Mullin. (kidding)[/quote]

Not defending Roberts, but Showtime's bad knees set the program back. Had he stayed healthy, they may have enjoyed some early success.[/quote]
True. Hill missed 11 games as junior and 15 as senior because injuries
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=323748] ... Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]
Amen to that! The kid -- along with LJ -- has been a God-send. ... I may well be one of the pessimists (or as I prefer to call it, "realists") on this board, but I'm confident that with him suiting up against PC, we'll more than compensate for the loss we suffered without him.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=323787][quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]

Ponds has the physical talent for the college game. Certainly more than Marcus Howard who will be poy. It's his decision making with the ball in his hands that has hurt him and his in game attitude. Ja Morant is valued for his incredible passing in traffic and size. He's an adequate shooter and plays smarter in game than Shamorie. You teach attitude. You instill discipline and control. That's where our staff has failed Slick.
Jaquan played with Slick only one year and Bud Pollard used the 5-9 guard mostly at pg to showcase him for colleges. He was not the overall talent Shamorie was and in Slick's senior year he played both positions. Tony Chiles was not impressed with Jaquan whose size and speed were going to be issues in college.[/quote]

95% of your post is inaccurate or irrelevant to your original argument that Shamorie didn’t improve greatly as a PG. It doesn’t matter why McKinnon played PG or how good or bad he was...he played PG all year and Shamorie was a SH. As a senior Sham played both spot but was overwhelmingly used as a scorer. He a split time at PG with Lovett as well as Mussini and Ellison his first year.

Ponds is slightly better better off physically than Howard...that’s true but neither can compare at all to Ja Morant ans nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player.

We are who we are as a team because Shamorie can get in the lane, draw 2-3 guys, and kick to WIDE OPEN shooters. He leads the conference in assists without a big man.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

I missed this. This is 1st ballot hall of fame negativity! Prolific stuff. Things are going so well you have remove players in hypothetical situations to stay negative. Wow. hahahahah

What if Lovett’s dad wasn’t over-involved and he played the second half last year and this year? We would have danced last year and we’d be better this year.

What if Brooks stayed committed here? The kid is very skilled and playing behind teo projected draft picks at USC. He would have been starting next to Clark. The conversation would be Elite Eight.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

Love the kid, but IMO Shamorie will never realize his full potential unless he decides that he wants to “bring it” for an entire 40 minutes. Know I’m probably in the minority here, but I look upon Shamorie as a very good college player, not as one of the great ones who played here. Just can’t put him in the same class as Mullin, Berry, Sealy, Artest, etc.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=323808][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

Love the kid, but IMO Shamorie will never realize his full potential unless he decides that he wants to “bring it” for an entire 40 minutes. Know I’m probably in the minority here, but I look upon Shamorie as a very good college player, not as one of the great ones who played here. Just can’t put him in the same class as Mullin, Berry, Sealy, Artest, etc.[/quote]

I agree. He answered some questions like running the offense more and shooting better but he also created some questions with his lack of hustle, bad body language, perceived lack of effort, and questionable run-ins with officials. Not to mention struggling against better athletes like McKnight and Tre Jones. I think he will go undrafted unkess Mullin as a favor to call in.
 
Watching the Nova game again . I could watch it 100 times ! Just a comment , the Announcers Sunday , Spanarkel and the other guy , made a comment that I had over looked as we were clawing back into the game . It was with both, Simon and Clark on the Bench with 4 fouls . I think it was Spanarkel who said Mullin should bring them both back in around the 5 minute mark . But , he also said , St.,John’s has gotten back into this game with Keita and Trimble playing with Figgy, Heron and Ponds , without Justin and Marvin . I thought nothing of it at the time but, it’s true . Having more of the Offense flow through Figgy and Heron might have been a game changer . While I like the contributions that Simon and Marvin make , it’s possible Figgy and Heron seeing the ball more at Crunch time ought to be a consideration going forward . I like Simon for all his good talents . I dislike his holding the ball, often monopolizing it and not distributing it as well as Ponds or even , Heron and Figgy . Plus , his drives to the hoop are often out of control and he misses way too many Bunnies . Clark often picks inopportune Times to launch that 3 , especially when a drive to the hoop is called for , late in the game . Plus , he’s not the one who should be taking it to the hoop . Ponds, Heron or Figgy need to be the Crunch time guys, as the Nova game showed .Ponds made a incredible pass to Keita during the run but, the kid missed everything when he should have dunked it . He was wide open . He did contribute though . As did Trimble .,Simon and Clark , absolutely make significant contributions to our Team and where would we be without them ? But, in the best interests of the Team scoring , late in the game , we saw who the best options are .
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323794][quote="Class of 72" post=323787][quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]

Ponds has the physical talent for the college game. Certainly more than Marcus Howard who will be poy. It's his decision making with the ball in his hands that has hurt him and his in game attitude. Ja Morant is valued for his incredible passing in traffic and size. He's an adequate shooter and plays smarter in game than Shamorie. You teach attitude. You instill discipline and control. That's where our staff has failed Slick.
Jaquan played with Slick only one year and Bud Pollard used the 5-9 guard mostly at pg to showcase him for colleges. He was not the overall talent Shamorie was and in Slick's senior year he played both positions. Tony Chiles was not impressed with Jaquan whose size and speed were going to be issues in college.[/quote]

95% of your post is inaccurate or irrelevant to your original argument that Shamorie didn’t improve greatly as a PG. It doesn’t matter why McKinnon played PG or how good or bad he was...he played PG all year and Shamorie was a SH. As a senior Sham played both spot but was overwhelmingly used as a scorer. He a split time at PG with Lovett as well as Mussini and Ellison his first year.

Ponds is slightly better better off physically than Howard...that’s true but neither can compare at all to Ja Morant ans nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player.

We are who we are as a team because Shamorie can get in the lane, draw 2-3 guys, and kick to WIDE OPEN shooters. He leads the conference in assists without a big man.[/quote]

Your responses are so inflated with fabricated flatulence that every counter argument you make sounds like some high school kid looking up his facts on Google. I'll bet my left ventricle that you never ventured to Jeff on Pennsylvania Avenue in Brownsville in Slick's junior year. The handful of white guys under 40 I saw were recruiters. I usually sat near Tony and if the honorable Panther was at any of the games he would know. You know nothing of Jaquan or Bud Pollard or his style of play. Jaquan was a late addition to that Jefferson team and Shamorie was already the star. They relied a lot on 3 and 4 guard offense at times with Rasheen, Slick and Jaquan all sharing in handling the ball. They also had a decent front line with Deas and Colson. All were D1 prospects but only Ponds was a high major.
Your flatulent response also includes this doozy "nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player."
I've only seen Morant twice. Period. But the NBA scouts follow his every game. THEY are the ones that have vaulted him into a lottery pick. Trust me, I had no influence in their scouting reports. YOU on the other hand must be the imaginary 99% that thinks Ponds is that 99%. Good for you fan boy.
The bottom line is this simple fact and that is that this staff has not developed Shamorie into the only position he could have any chance playing in the NBA. PONIT GUARD. The reason, until this season, was that they had failed to recruit a dependable two guard who could stroke the 3 ball. Mussini came close but was a poor defender. Freudenberg flopped and Justin can't shoot. Until the arrival of Heron and Figueroa playing 5 out was a failure.
Your retorts are so contradictory that I'm not even sure you are serious yet I indulge you.;)
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=323822][quote="Marillac" post=323794][quote="Class of 72" post=323787][quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]

Ponds has the physical talent for the college game. Certainly more than Marcus Howard who will be poy. It's his decision making with the ball in his hands that has hurt him and his in game attitude. Ja Morant is valued for his incredible passing in traffic and size. He's an adequate shooter and plays smarter in game than Shamorie. You teach attitude. You instill discipline and control. That's where our staff has failed Slick.
Jaquan played with Slick only one year and Bud Pollard used the 5-9 guard mostly at pg to showcase him for colleges. He was not the overall talent Shamorie was and in Slick's senior year he played both positions. Tony Chiles was not impressed with Jaquan whose size and speed were going to be issues in college.[/quote]

95% of your post is inaccurate or irrelevant to your original argument that Shamorie didn’t improve greatly as a PG. It doesn’t matter why McKinnon played PG or how good or bad he was...he played PG all year and Shamorie was a SH. As a senior Sham played both spot but was overwhelmingly used as a scorer. He a split time at PG with Lovett as well as Mussini and Ellison his first year.

Ponds is slightly better better off physically than Howard...that’s true but neither can compare at all to Ja Morant ans nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player.

We are who we are as a team because Shamorie can get in the lane, draw 2-3 guys, and kick to WIDE OPEN shooters. He leads the conference in assists without a big man.[/quote]

Your responses are so inflated with fabricated flatulence that every counter argument you make sounds like some high school kid looking up his facts on Google. I'll bet my left ventricle that you never ventured to Jeff on Pennsylvania Avenue in Brownsville in Slick's junior year. The handful of white guys under 40 I saw were recruiters. I usually near Tony and if the honorable Panther was at any of the games he would know. You know nothing of Jaquan or Bud Pollard or his style of play. Jaquan was a late addition to that Jefferson team and Shamorie was already the star. They relied a lot on 3 and 4 guard offense at times with Rasheen, Slick and Jaquan all sharing in handling the ball. They also had a decent front line with Deas and Colson. All were D1 prospects but only Ponds was a high major.
Your flatulent response also includes this doozy "nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player."
I've only seen Morant twice. Period. But the NBA scouts follow his every game. THEY are the ones that gave vaulted him into a lottery pick. Trust me, I had no influence in their scouting reports. YOU on the other hand must be the imaginary 99% that thinks Ponds is that 99%. Good for you fan boy.
The bottom line is this simple fact and that is that this staff has not developed Shamorie into the only position he could have any chance playing in the NBA. PONIT GUARD. The reason, until this season, was that they had failed to recruit a dependable two guard who could stroke the 3 ball. Mussini came close but was a poor defender. Freudenberg flopped and Justin can't shoot. Until the arrival of Heron and Figueroa playing 5 out was a failure.
Your retorts are so contradictory that I'm not even sure you are serious yet I indulge you.;)[/quote]

I’d encourage you to read the Ponds recruit pages on here and JJ to see my take on Ponds. I watched several of his games online via MSG and posted links to watch his regular season and then federation games.

Morant is a stud. A bonafide top 3 pick. He’s a 9-10 physically. Ponds is a 4.

Not sure what race and flatulence have to do with anything, but how about a 30-day moratorium on negativity? Enjoy this gift of a season and support the team.
 
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.
Marillac replied:
"I missed this. This is 1st ballot hall of fame negativity! Prolific stuff. Things are going so well you have remove players in hypothetical situations to stay negative. Wow. hahahahah

What if Lovett’s dad wasn’t over-involved and he played the second half last year and this year? We would have danced last year and we’d be better this year.

What if Brooks stayed committed here? The kid is very skilled and playing behind teo projected draft picks at USC. He would have been starting next to Clark. The conversation would be Elite Eight."

Yes, you certainly missed the point here fan boy. The point is Heron's addition was not planned. It was an accident. If you have paid any attention at all to what YOU describe as the best St. John's team in the 20 short years you have been following the program you would realize the value of Mustapha. The Providence game was a small sample of what would be another. 500 season. The team is poorly constructed no matter how your positivity tries to rearrange the deck chairs.
As far as speculating you and a few others did a HOF job in excusing the disastrous season when LoVett, one player, ruined Mullin's coaching hall of fame ballot. I ventured into your territory with Heron. Excuse me for the plagiarism.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323825][quote="Class of 72" post=323822][quote="Marillac" post=323794][quote="Class of 72" post=323787][quote="Marillac" post=323761][quote="Class of 72" post=323748][quote="Boo Harvey" post=323727][quote="Class of 72" post=323722]Marillac wrote:
"Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope."

I'm a cherry red redmen Kool Aid man for sure!;)
You also know that the mediocrity I was referring to was the past three years which rank as the worst seasons in the history of St. John's basketball. Sure, Mully inherited nothing he didn't or couldn't retain from the Lavin era like Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa etc, and went after the same players like Ponds, LoVett, Mussini, yada, yada.
Fact remains that in years two and three his staff was a mess and coupled with the Slice fiasco, Mullin made his own bed and year four, while his most successful, has been inconsistent and the team is full of flaws beginning with his bench and the lack of development of his players. Figgy and Heron are brand new and they are great college players covering up the flaws in Clark, Simon and Shamorie who are literally the same players they were 2 years ago. It will very interesting to see who will actually be on the team next season and whether they will blend. Will Precious be added? Will a real associate head coach be hired? It will be an interesting off season for sure.[/quote]

I don't agree that Ponds is the same player from two years ago. He is not perfect, but there's no question that he's improved as a passer and true pg. Clark and Simon were sitting out two years ago, but they certainly are more productive here than they were at their former schools. I agree that their stats have not improved since last year, but they are surrounded by more talent. Simon and Clark are not perfect, but I'll take them.

We're lacking a solid big man and the semblance of a bench. I agree that's on the staff, but it has nothing to do with player development.[/quote]

I watched Slick play as a junior and senior in high school. One area he has improved greatly is in defense. His handle is the same and he always had passing skills. I'm probably his biggest fan but I don't think he has reached his true potential as a dependable point guard where he gets the ball to the right players at the right time. He still makes a lot of mental mistakes, rushes long shots and plays flat uninspired ball too often before settling down. There is a reason why Ja Morant has become a first round draft pick and Shamorie is falling off the charts. Personally I think he was more effective as a soph than as a junior so that is where I bring up the development issue. As for Simon and Clark, both are good ballers but neither has shown any more game than last year. Keita appears to be the same player he was at SC with a tendency to float outside and can't finish inside.
Again, if Mustapha Heron had not become eligible I think we would be having some very different conversations here.[/quote]

If you watched him as a junior you’d know he played SG and Jaquan McKennon played PG.

Also the reason Ja Morant is rated so high is because he is an otherworldly athlete. If Ponds had his physical talent he would be a ten-time NBA all-star. I don’t know how anyone can watch Ponds and not be awed by is remarkable vision and passing ability. His vision is a 10 and his passing is a 9.[/quote]

Ponds has the physical talent for the college game. Certainly more than Marcus Howard who will be poy. It's his decision making with the ball in his hands that has hurt him and his in game attitude. Ja Morant is valued for his incredible passing in traffic and size. He's an adequate shooter and plays smarter in game than Shamorie. You teach attitude. You instill discipline and control. That's where our staff has failed Slick.
Jaquan played with Slick only one year and Bud Pollard used the 5-9 guard mostly at pg to showcase him for colleges. He was not the overall talent Shamorie was and in Slick's senior year he played both positions. Tony Chiles was not impressed with Jaquan whose size and speed were going to be issues in college.[/quote]

95% of your post is inaccurate or irrelevant to your original argument that Shamorie didn’t improve greatly as a PG. It doesn’t matter why McKinnon played PG or how good or bad he was...he played PG all year and Shamorie was a SH. As a senior Sham played both spot but was overwhelmingly used as a scorer. He a split time at PG with Lovett as well as Mussini and Ellison his first year.

Ponds is slightly better better off physically than Howard...that’s true but neither can compare at all to Ja Morant ans nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player.

We are who we are as a team because Shamorie can get in the lane, draw 2-3 guys, and kick to WIDE OPEN shooters. He leads the conference in assists without a big man.[/quote]

Your responses are so inflated with fabricated flatulence that every counter argument you make sounds like some high school kid looking up his facts on Google. I'll bet my left ventricle that you never ventured to Jeff on Pennsylvania Avenue in Brownsville in Slick's junior year. The handful of white guys under 40 I saw were recruiters. I usually near Tony and if the honorable Panther was at any of the games he would know. You know nothing of Jaquan or Bud Pollard or his style of play. Jaquan was a late addition to that Jefferson team and Shamorie was already the star. They relied a lot on 3 and 4 guard offense at times with Rasheen, Slick and Jaquan all sharing in handling the ball. They also had a decent front line with Deas and Colson. All were D1 prospects but only Ponds was a high major.
Your flatulent response also includes this doozy "nobody but you would say that Morant is more skilled than Ponds as a PG or overall basketball player."
I've only seen Morant twice. Period. But the NBA scouts follow his every game. THEY are the ones that gave vaulted him into a lottery pick. Trust me, I had no influence in their scouting reports. YOU on the other hand must be the imaginary 99% that thinks Ponds is that 99%. Good for you fan boy.
The bottom line is this simple fact and that is that this staff has not developed Shamorie into the only position he could have any chance playing in the NBA. PONIT GUARD. The reason, until this season, was that they had failed to recruit a dependable two guard who could stroke the 3 ball. Mussini came close but was a poor defender. Freudenberg flopped and Justin can't shoot. Until the arrival of Heron and Figueroa playing 5 out was a failure.
Your retorts are so contradictory that I'm not even sure you are serious yet I indulge you.;)[/quote]

I’d encourage you to read the Ponds recruit pages on here and JJ to see my take on Ponds. I watched several of his games online via MSG and posted links to watch his regular season and then federation games.

Morant is a stud. A bonafide top 3 pick. He’s a 9-10 physically. Ponds is a 4.

Not sure what race and flatulence have to do with anything, but how about a 30-day moratorium on negativity? Enjoy this gift of a season and support the team.[/quote]

You watched several games on line. LMFAO! Now I know why you are an expert. Race has nothing to do with anything other than I knew you likely never saw any games at Jefferson and that you would have stood out with your Armani glasses and Tommy Hilfiger shirt.
 
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