My apologies to team and staff

Mike

I know what you're trying to do here but after just reading the game thread for the first time there is nothing there that is out of bounds TBH. While I personally wouldn't post while actually at a game, nothing in that thread was out of bounds as it accurately depicts what we all went thru watching yesterday. Yes some blamed staff, some blamed players. Everyone has a certain way they lean.
 
[quote="Moose" post=323637]Mike

I know what you're trying to do here but after just reading the game thread for the first time there is nothing there that is out of bounds TBH. While I personally wouldn't post while actually at a game, nothing in that thread was out of bounds as it accurately depicts what we all went thru watching yesterday. Yes some blamed staff, some blamed players. Everyone has a certain way they lean.[/quote] I just read it and yeah your right I didnt think it was over the top by the other posters. Half my posts were about the horrible refs which I certainly dont regret. My other 3 posts were about the game which I would, have said the same thing today. I just regret not thinking we didnt have a chance to come back. I was actually looking at my train schedule at halftime to see if I was going to be getting a train before the game ended.

Luckily I didnt
 
Panther/Marillac wrote:

"Maybe we should all try to root for the team during the game and save our critiques for when it is over, Just the opinion of an old man."

"It’s not just during the game (every game btw), it’s all year. We are quite obviously in one of the top 2-3 seasons we’ve had in 20 years and the negativity is nonstop. Mullin needs to be fired after every bad stretch between the tv timeouts."

Panther, fans comment during games because we have a great system set up by the mods for pre, during and post game comments. Comments during the game are immediate emotional comments. Comments after the game are more thought out based upon the results. It's simple.
Marillac, stop inventing a season that has not even ended yet! Over the past 20 years no coach has escaped criticism for mediocre records. Your suggestion that Mullin after 3 of the worst seasons in the past 20 years should be immune to criticism is an insult to any fan. Every scribe in college basketball has been just as critical so the observation is universal unless your agenda is to cover up history.
Fans like Mike and other hard core supporters that travel to games have every right to say what they feel. They actually have nothing to apologize for and it is ironic that the so-called optimists are just as negative in their comments, mostly about the kids, during losses, especially YOU.
It is also these optimists that are prone to call out others with insults after a win but disappear after a loss.
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=323624][quote="Marillac" post=323620][quote="IDRAFT" post=323591][quote="we are sju" post=323586]This thread will be rendered obsolete Wed night the minute it is Prov 2 ST John's 0
Judging by Garden crowd I am guessing that most of them have never posted on this site. Based on two Garden games I have gone to I am pretty confident in saying that these boards DO NOT represent the pulse of the fan base. Which is a real good thing.[/quote]

As a season ticket holder I agree with this sentiment. This board, for whatever reason, has a very high percentage of pessimists. Doesn't make any of you bad people, just mostly unhappy ones. I sometimes wonder why things are so negative here and come back to the Roberts era (better called the Roberts error.) From what I can glean many here stuck firmly behind the program during that dark period, actually watching and attending games, and continuing to analyze the team, here and elsewhere. That takes an incredible passion and dedication. I salute those who did that. It also seems to have created a SJU PSTD where many here can no longer enjoy good times and expect the sky to fall at the sign of every cloud.

Understandable and I actually feel for you guys, it must be awful to be wired that way. This season has been a blast, and I'm looking forward to the next game.[/quote]

This might be the post of the year. The first law of the internet is that negative people will be overrepresented. On top of that, sports fans tend to lean negative. Even with that in mind, our fans take it to new levels.

We are coached by the face of the program...a true legend. The man has us ready to dance in just his fourth season (improvements each year) with no prior coaching experience. Logic would lead any resonable person to believe that he and his staff will only improve with experience, learning from mistakes, acquiring better talent, and filling out the roster with players like Figueroa that fit his system.

Visiting our forums has become very unenjoyable. The purpose of a sports forum is to foster a community of fans to support a team, but ours have been hijacked by negative fans.

There is certainly a place for criticism, letting off steam occasionally and posting about disappointment, but you can’t lose sight of the role that sports are supposed to play in your lives.

I was blown away by the support the team had in Miami as well as what’s been happening at the Garden this year my. Those are the fans I want to be associated with.[/quote] Defintiely a fair point to to be completely fair If I remember correctly you were in the vocal minority going nuts all the time when Norm got hired almost every thread when the majority of the board wanted to give him time

Now I it took me 4 years or so to turn on Norm but fair is fair[/quote]

This is very true. Norm couldn’t coach and he couldn’t get top players. You have to be able to done at least one of those to have a chance here. He is the only coach I’ve ever wanted fired. That era/error took a piece away from this program that we will never get back.

I was also in my early 20s when Norm was coach...not that is an excuse but just some context.

And just to be clear I’ve never had a problem with anything you’ve posted. You are a great fan.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323656][quote="mjmaherjr" post=323624][quote="Marillac" post=323620][quote="IDRAFT" post=323591][quote="we are sju" post=323586]This thread will be rendered obsolete Wed night the minute it is Prov 2 ST John's 0
Judging by Garden crowd I am guessing that most of them have never posted on this site. Based on two Garden games I have gone to I am pretty confident in saying that these boards DO NOT represent the pulse of the fan base. Which is a real good thing.[/quote]

As a season ticket holder I agree with this sentiment. This board, for whatever reason, has a very high percentage of pessimists. Doesn't make any of you bad people, just mostly unhappy ones. I sometimes wonder why things are so negative here and come back to the Roberts era (better called the Roberts error.) From what I can glean many here stuck firmly behind the program during that dark period, actually watching and attending games, and continuing to analyze the team, here and elsewhere. That takes an incredible passion and dedication. I salute those who did that. It also seems to have created a SJU PSTD where many here can no longer enjoy good times and expect the sky to fall at the sign of every cloud.

Understandable and I actually feel for you guys, it must be awful to be wired that way. This season has been a blast, and I'm looking forward to the next game.[/quote]

This might be the post of the year. The first law of the internet is that negative people will be overrepresented. On top of that, sports fans tend to lean negative. Even with that in mind, our fans take it to new levels.

We are coached by the face of the program...a true legend. The man has us ready to dance in just his fourth season (improvements each year) with no prior coaching experience. Logic would lead any resonable person to believe that he and his staff will only improve with experience, learning from mistakes, acquiring better talent, and filling out the roster with players like Figueroa that fit his system.

Visiting our forums has become very unenjoyable. The purpose of a sports forum is to foster a community of fans to support a team, but ours have been hijacked by negative fans.

There is certainly a place for criticism, letting off steam occasionally and posting about disappointment, but you can’t lose sight of the role that sports are supposed to play in your lives.

I was blown away by the support the team had in Miami as well as what’s been happening at the Garden this year my. Those are the fans I want to be associated with.[/quote] Defintiely a fair point to to be completely fair If I remember correctly you were in the vocal minority going nuts all the time when Norm got hired almost every thread when the majority of the board wanted to give him time

Now I it took me 4 years or so to turn on Norm but fair is fair[/quote]

This is very true. Norm couldn’t coach and he couldn’t get top players. You have to be able to done at least one of those to have a chance here. He is the only coach I’ve ever wanted fired. That era/error took a piece away from this program that we will never get back.

I was also in my early 20s when Norm was coach...not that is an excuse but just some context.

And just to be clear I’ve never had a problem with anything you’ve posted. You are a great fan.[/quote]

Thx. We all change with age. Heck you were right on Norm from the beginning. I wasn't crazy about the hire but I definitely defended him those first 4 years. Then when I finally saw the light and turned all hell broke loose :)
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=323647]Every one received a Pardon for any sins committed during the first half yesterday ..,.[/quote]


It was a Papal forgiveness - our atonement was based on enduring so many years of frustration - the only Papal request is that we St. John’s fans stop taking the program and the games so damn much to heart - the Pope has raised his sacred hand and granted us absolution
So my fellow posters - we can all “chill” or some such other term used by young people.

Great win.
Great kids on our team.
Great coaching staff doing their best
Great posters - well most of us anyway lol
Blessings to all!
 
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I'm glad I decided not to post during the game(especially during the first half), because I'm sure if I had it would have made whatever Mike posted seem like a compliment. Just got done watching the replay of the 2nd half. Truly a game for the ages. Probably best SJU game I've ever been to. Having said all of this, and at the risk of raining on everyone's parade, we still cannot seem to string together anywhere near close to 40 minutes of inspired ball. That doesn't bode well for us moving forward. When we're good we're very good, and when we're bad we're often horrible. Yes we got hot in the 2nd half and we clamped down on D, but we also got lucky with Nova going cold. Anyhow, better to be lucky than good. In yesterday's 2nd half we were both. More amazing was that we made the comeback with very little contribution from Ponds. Would love this to be a turning point, but will wait to see how we come out against PC and SH. If we can use this comeback as a catalyst, then this season can have a special kind of ending to it. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=323651]Panther/Marillac wrote:

"Maybe we should all try to root for the team during the game and save our critiques for when it is over, Just the opinion of an old man."

"It’s not just during the game (every game btw), it’s all year. We are quite obviously in one of the top 2-3 seasons we’ve had in 20 years and the negativity is nonstop. Mullin needs to be fired after every bad stretch between the tv timeouts."

Panther, fans comment during games because we have a great system set up by the mods for pre, during and post game comments. Comments during the game are immediate emotional comments. Comments after the game are more thought out based upon the results. It's simple.
Marillac, stop inventing a season that has not even ended yet! Over the past 20 years no coach has escaped criticism for mediocre records. Your suggestion that Mullin after 3 of the worst seasons in the past 20 years should be immune to criticism is an insult to any fan. Every scribe in college basketball has been just as critical so the observation is universal unless your agenda is to cover up history.
Fans like Mike and other hard core supporters that travel to games have every right to say what they feel. They actually have nothing to apologize for and it is ironic that the so-called optimists are just as negative in their comments, mostly about the kids, during losses, especially YOU.
It is also these optimists that are prone to call out others with insults after a win but disappear after a loss.[/quote]

Oh yeah!!!! 72 enters the thread like the Kool Aid man. We have five games left plus the Big East tournament and all of the experts have us in the dance. If that is mediocrity then sign me up!
We haven’t beaten Nova at home in SEVENTEEN years. That spans the entire tenures of our last three coaches. We’ve made just THREE tournaments in a season that began this century. Get your dancing shoes ready.

And I have been extremely critical of Simon and Pointer over the years because it’s so obvious to me they weren’t playing within their (awesome) abilities and it’s very frustrating. I give them props when they do well. I try not to comment on players that are just bad with no hope.
 
watching the game now on msg at 12 minute mark of second half and still stunned we are about to come back :)
 
If your team wins the Super Bowl , some people will complain about the low draft pick. If they win the lottery they will complain about the taxes. Must be miserable.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=323666]watching the game now on msg at 12 minute mark of second half and still stunned we are about to come back :)[/quote]

I think I’d rather be down a little late with this team than up 6-8.
 
IDRAFT Wrote: As a season ticket holder I agree with this sentiment. This board, for whatever reason, has a very high percentage of pessimists. Doesn't make any of you bad people, just mostly unhappy ones. I sometimes wonder why things are so negative here and come back to the Roberts era (better called the Roberts error.) From what I can glean many here stuck firmly behind the program during that dark period, actually watching and attending games, and continuing to analyze the team, here and elsewhere. That takes an incredible passion and dedication. I salute those who did that. It also seems to have created a SJU PSTD where many here can no longer enjoy good times and expect the sky to fall at the sign of every cloud.

Understandable and I actually feel for you guys, it must be awful to be wired that way. This season has been a blast, and I'm looking forward to the next game.

For what is worth I believe the Roberts period was not the dark days of the program. Since Lou left we have had six different Full Time Head coaches plus two interim head coaches. Each of these eight had ups and downs. The Roberts era was highlighted by losing seasons, missed marquee recruits and very frustrating coaching strategies. That all said it was also a great period of redemption and return to respectability from an integrity point of view. Norm inherited a true programatic mess from the post Mike Jarvis debacle. The stench of the Pittsburgh incident, under the table Keita payments, the recruiting of kids of questionable character, NCAA sanctions and alienation of the local High School community were still fresh when Norm took over at the helm. When he left after six seasons the program was filled with great kids like D.J. Kennedy, Paris Horne etc. and St. John's was no longer associated with the negativity surrounding the end of the Jarvis era.

While he was an unsuccessful head coach when it comes to wins and losses and plain coaching acumen he should be praised for his level of personal integrity and bringing class back to the program. I for one think about this more than Norm's ability to draw up a play that would work following a timeout.
 
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[quote="ghostzapper" post=323671]IDRAFT Wrote: As a season ticket holder I agree with this sentiment. This board, for whatever reason, has a very high percentage of pessimists. Doesn't make any of you bad people, just mostly unhappy ones. I sometimes wonder why things are so negative here and come back to the Roberts era (better called the Roberts error.) From what I can glean many here stuck firmly behind the program during that dark period, actually watching and attending games, and continuing to analyze the team, here and elsewhere. That takes an incredible passion and dedication. I salute those who did that. It also seems to have created a SJU PSTD where many here can no longer enjoy good times and expect the sky to fall at the sign of every cloud.

Understandable and I actually feel for you guys, it must be awful to be wired that way. This season has been a blast, and I'm looking forward to the next game.

For what is worth I believe the Roberts period was not the dark days of the program. Since Lou left we have had six different Full Time Head coaches plus two interim head coaches. Each of these eight had ups and downs. The Roberts era was highlighted by losing seasons, missed marquee recruits and very frustrating coaching strategies. That all said it was also a great period of redemption and return to respectability from an integrity point of view. Norm inherited a true programatic mess from the post Mike Jarvis debacle. The stench of the Pittsburgh incident, under the table Keita payments, the recruiting of kids of questionable character, NCAA sanctions and alienation of the local High School community were still fresh when Norm took over at the helm. When he left after six seasons the program was filled with great kids like D.J. Kennedy, Paris Horne etc. and St. John's was no longer associated with the negativity surrounding the end of the Jarvis era.

While he was an unsuccessful head coach when it comes to wins and losses and plain coaching acumen he should be praised for his level of personal integrity and bringing class back to the program. I for one think about this more than Norm's ability to draw up a play that would work following a timeout.[/quote]

How many games did we have to forfeit due to the Jarvis Era shenanigans?
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=323671]IDRAFT Wrote: As a season ticket holder I agree with this sentiment. This board, for whatever reason, has a very high percentage of pessimists. Doesn't make any of you bad people, just mostly unhappy ones. I sometimes wonder why things are so negative here and come back to the Roberts era (better called the Roberts error.) From what I can glean many here stuck firmly behind the program during that dark period, actually watching and attending games, and continuing to analyze the team, here and elsewhere. That takes an incredible passion and dedication. I salute those who did that. It also seems to have created a SJU PSTD where many here can no longer enjoy good times and expect the sky to fall at the sign of every cloud.

Understandable and I actually feel for you guys, it must be awful to be wired that way. This season has been a blast, and I'm looking forward to the next game.

For what is worth I believe the Roberts period was not the dark days of the program. Since Lou left we have had six different Full Time Head coaches plus two interim head coaches. Each of these eight had ups and downs. The Roberts era was highlighted by losing seasons, missed marquee recruits and very frustrating coaching strategies. That all said it was also a great period of redemption and return to respectability from an integrity point of view. Norm inherited a true programatic mess from the post Mike Jarvis debacle. The stench of the Pittsburgh incident, under the table Keita payments, the recruiting of kids of questionable character, NCAA sanctions and alienation of the local High School community were still fresh when Norm took over at the helm. When he left after six seasons the program was filled with great kids like D.J. Kennedy, Paris Horne etc. and St. John's was no longer associated with the negativity surrounding the end of the Jarvis era.

While he was an unsuccessful head coach when it comes to wins and losses and plain coaching acumen he should be praised for his level of personal integrity and bringing class back to the program. I for one think about this more than Norm's ability to draw up a play that would work following a timeout.[/quote]

Winning and not being caught cheating are not mutually exclusive. Norm was hired to win basketball games. He was a complete failure and this program is still recovering from his lasting impact. He wasn’t the choir boy people remember him as either.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323676]
Winning and not being caught cheating are not mutually exclusive. Norm was hired to win basketball games. He was a complete failure and this program is still recovering from his lasting impact. He wasn’t the choir boy people remember him as either.[/quote]

True about winning but you also need to give him an asterisk on the winning if you look at what he was left by Jarvis and still managed to bring in some high quality players. And also how nicely he paved the way for Lavin to come in with a bang. And looking at what Lavin left for Mullin, Roberts "lasting impact" was overall positive in Roberts' wake. Not sure you could say that about Jarvis or Lavin who both left things rock bottom despite winning with the previous coach's recruits.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=323679][quote="Marillac" post=323676]
Winning and not being caught cheating are not mutually exclusive. Norm was hired to win basketball games. He was a complete failure and this program is still recovering from his lasting impact. He wasn’t the choir boy people remember him as either.[/quote]

True about winning but you also need to give him an asterisk on the winning if you look at what he was left by Jarvis and still managed to bring in some high quality players. And also how nicely he paved the way for Lavin to come in with a bang. And looking at what Lavin left for Mullin, Roberts "lasting impact" was overall positive in Roberts' wake. Not sure you could say that about Jarvis or Lavin who both left things rock bottom despite winning with the previous coach's recruits.[/quote]

Jarvis being fired mid season is what exposed all of the problems. Jarvis would have left him with Elijah Ingram on top of two young future all-Big East players in Showtime and Lamont Hamilton (and others).

Roberts 11-man senior class was horrific for our future and I still think we are paying for it to this day. It is was unparalleled in modern college basketball. There is nothing good I can say about Norm the head coach.
 
[quote="Moose" post=323637]Mike

I know what you're trying to do here but after just reading the game thread for the first time there is nothing there that is out of bounds TBH. While I personally wouldn't post while actually at a game, nothing in that thread was out of bounds as it accurately depicts what we all went thru watching yesterday. Yes some blamed staff, some blamed players. Everyone has a certain way they lean.[/quote]

I just find it interesting that people post about the staff being clueless/a total disaster etc during a game which we ended up winning vs a ranked team. People are crazy man.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323683][quote="Paul Massell" post=323679][quote="Marillac" post=323676]
Winning and not being caught cheating are not mutually exclusive. Norm was hired to win basketball games. He was a complete failure and this program is still recovering from his lasting impact. He wasn’t the choir boy people remember him as either.[/quote]

True about winning but you also need to give him an asterisk on the winning if you look at what he was left by Jarvis and still managed to bring in some high quality players. And also how nicely he paved the way for Lavin to come in with a bang. And looking at what Lavin left for Mullin, Roberts "lasting impact" was overall positive in Roberts' wake. Not sure you could say that about Jarvis or Lavin who both left things rock bottom despite winning with the previous coach's recruits.[/quote]

Jarvis being fired mid season is what exposed all of the problems. Jarvis would have left him with Elijah Ingram on top of two young future all-Big East players in Showtime and Lamont Hamilton (and others).

Roberts 11-man senior class was horrific for our future and I still think we are paying for it to this day. It is was unparalleled in modern college basketball. There is nothing good I can say about Norm the head coach.[/quote]

Lavin had the luxury of inheriting an NCAA tourney level team, and he had over a year to recruit his own players. Granted he did with Norm’s kids what Norm couldn’t do. Chris was handed nothing by Lavin and was given a few months to throw together a team. No comparison between what Lavin inherited from Norm, and what Chris inherited from Lavin. While Lavin had more success here than Norm, he left this program in far worse shape than Norm did. Same can be said for Jarvis: more success than Norm but left the program in far worse shape.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=323692][quote="Marillac" post=323683][quote="Paul Massell" post=323679][quote="Marillac" post=323676]
Winning and not being caught cheating are not mutually exclusive. Norm was hired to win basketball games. He was a complete failure and this program is still recovering from his lasting impact. He wasn’t the choir boy people remember him as either.[/quote]

True about winning but you also need to give him an asterisk on the winning if you look at what he was left by Jarvis and still managed to bring in some high quality players. And also how nicely he paved the way for Lavin to come in with a bang. And looking at what Lavin left for Mullin, Roberts "lasting impact" was overall positive in Roberts' wake. Not sure you could say that about Jarvis or Lavin who both left things rock bottom despite winning with the previous coach's recruits.[/quote]

Jarvis being fired mid season is what exposed all of the problems. Jarvis would have left him with Elijah Ingram on top of two young future all-Big East players in Showtime and Lamont Hamilton (and others).

Roberts 11-man senior class was horrific for our future and I still think we are paying for it to this day. It is was unparalleled in modern college basketball. There is nothing good I can say about Norm the head coach.[/quote]

Lavin had the luxury of inheriting an NCAA tourney level team, and he had over a year to recruit his own players. Granted he did with Norm’s kids what Norm couldn’t do. Chris was handed nothing by Lavin and was given a few months to throw together a team. No comparison between what Lavin inherited from Norm, and what Chris inherited from Lavin. While Lavin had more success here than Norm, he left this program in far worse shape than Norm did. Same can be said for Jarvis: more success than Norm but left the program in far worse shape.[/quote]


Jarvis also inherited a group of starters who had a team offense built in from their time playing together at Riverside. Once that team graduated or went pro, no offense other than Marcus Hatten ever appeared for STJ under Jarvis.
 
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