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[quote="Beast of the East" post=287082][quote="rawdognyc" post=287046]It gets old with TIS ALWAYS attacking our coach whether the news is good or bad... I'm all for constructive criticism and stuff, but this is ridiculous. This is the best time to be a SJU fan for a long ass time... Even when Heron speaks of one of the reasons he wanted to come here was his relationship with Chris and how he feels that he can get him to the next level, we still have to read Toms bullshit.. Childish ass behavior for an adult.[/quote]

Tom happens to be a really good guy who i have conversed with in pms, here. Often if i get embroiled in some nasty interchange, he will shoot me a message thats warm and reassuring. I am pretty sure i know where his and 72s dislike of Chris is coming from, but wouldn't go there publicly. It's disappointing to me, but like 72, Tom is a good guy who i think has just gone over the top here against mullin.[/quote]

It's weird. I thought Tom was a great poster on here at one time. Very knowledgeable fan, and probably a good guy. I just don't understand the incessant bashing of Mullin for no reason. Things just out of the blue to bash the coach. Unless maybe Mullin ran over his dog or something, I don't understand the hate and I guess it just is getting old. 72 on the other hand... That guy.. Nah.. JK.. Actually 72 is kind of fair in my eyes.. He's a bit of a wise ass however he'll give Mullin props when he deserves it, or at least he'll have a story to go along with his issue that he may have with him.. It's finally a good time again to be a fan. So much to be excited for.. Just wish we could focus on that..
 
MANY GOOD GUYS ON THIS SITE. Think we should all take a step back and enjoy the good news .We finally have a reason to feel good about next yr. The staff has made this happen. Can't wait for next season
 
[quote="usguard" post=287093]MANY GOOD GUYS ON THIS SITE. Think we should all take a step back and enjoy the good news .We finally have a reason to feel good about next yr. The staff has made this happen. Can't wait for next season[/quote]

At least until the first loss. :)
 
I guess most of us, myself included, didn't realize how difficult the rebuilding of our program would be. Lots of 2 steps forward, one step backwards.
Go Johnnies!
 
[quote="ctstorm" post=287097][quote="usguard" post=287093]MANY GOOD GUYS ON THIS SITE. Think we should all take a step back and enjoy the good news .We finally have a reason to feel good about next yr. The staff has made this happen. Can't wait for next season[/quote]

At least until the first loss. :)[/quote]

Worse than that. You recruit a Ponds, Simon, etc, and suddenly a pretty good player like a Mussini or even an Ellison sees what his playing time will be and poof! He's gone. When you are building a roster from the ground up, there will definitely be fallout that erodes your ability to add talent at the front end and depth at the back end. Guys who don't think they are seeing enough shots transfer, etc.

It's a process to build a strong, deep roster in this era with many setbacks. In speaking with Chris I know he understands this much better than any of us, is more stable than almost all of us, and that to just keep focused on move forward and accepting the inevitable setbacks along the way, all without making excuses.

I loved his response to the question of tired legs after playing two nights in a row in the BET: "That's what you get for finishing in 9th place" Lavin or Roberts would have droned on and on about how they'd have a better chance to win if our guys were fresh.
 
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As one of the leading Mullin critics, if we get Rice plus an immediately eligible Heron next year, I will buy season tickets the day they are offered and root like hell as always but especially for Mullin to succeed. I want him to experience the success so he gets a taste of the other side. I also want stability for this program. Again, figureheads as head coaches CAN work...granted that there are very good supports in place for recruiting, game plans, and development (Matt and Rice but not only 1). I really believe that with Rice here it would make Mullin's life so much easier and Matt can relax a bit knowing he has a seasoned 2nd recruiter. NJ is an absolute hotbed lately for top talent...turn Rice loose. It would be interesting to see how many people get season tickets if Heron is eligible and Rice is hired for this season. If we make a top 25 appearance or 2 and make the NCAA's, I think donations will also spike. Some will say "why aren't you getting season tickets and donating regardless?", however I need to see results first. I've spent thousands on memorabilia, games, and they got another $75k or so from me for my grad program. It's time to show the fanbase that we can be nationally relevant again.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287111][quote="ctstorm" post=287097][quote="usguard" post=287093]MANY GOOD GUYS ON THIS SITE. Think we should all take a step back and enjoy the good news .We finally have a reason to feel good about next yr. The staff has made this happen. Can't wait for next season[/quote]

At least until the first loss. :)[/quote]

Worse than that. You recruit a Ponds, Simon, etc, and suddenly a pretty good player like a Mussini or even an Ellison sees what his playing time will be and poof! He's gone. When you are building a roster from the ground up, there will definitely be fallout that erodes your ability to add talent at the front end and depth at the back end. Guys who don't think they are seeing enough shots transfer, etc.

It's a process to build a strong, deep roster in this era with many setbacks. In speaking with Chris I know he understands this much better than any of us, is more stable than almost all of us, and that to just keep focused on move forward and accepting the inevitable setbacks along the way, all without making excuses.

I loved his response to the question of tired legs after playing two nights in a row in the BET: "That's what you get for finishing in 9th place" Lavin or Roberts would have droned on and on about how they'd have a better chance to win if our guys were fresh.[/quote]
Not to mention EVERY team in EVERY conference plays 2 days in a row if they win a game and potentially 3 or 4 days in a row.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=287084]Logen, like you I hate it when we agree too much. 80% of my company works from remote home offices around the world. Some successful companies even have c suite execs that do that.

If mullin wins 20 and we dance, i dont care if he coaches games from cali. Conversely, if we dont win, living in the sju dorms wouldn't make him more effective[/quote]
Sort of like an absentee father, I getcha. Sorry I like any college coach to be on hand and I am not saying Mullin isn't as I have no idea just disagreeing with your supposition that's it's OK for a collegiate coach not to be around for his players.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=287117][quote="Beast of the East" post=287084]Logen, like you I hate it when we agree too much. 80% of my company works from remote home offices around the world. Some successful companies even have c suite execs that do that.

If mullin wins 20 and we dance, i dont care if he coaches games from cali. Conversely, if we dont win, living in the sju dorms wouldn't make him more effective[/quote]
Sort of like an absentee father, I getcha. Sorry I like any college coach to be on hand and I am not saying Mullin isn't as I have no idea just disagreeing with your supposition that's it's OK for a collegiate coach not to be around for his players.[/quote]

I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that with an unexpected temporary situation in his family, guys should just not worry about him being in California for a bunch of time once the season ended. What I am saying is that winning is the only thing that matters. Do you know how many of our players are on campus now? I'm sure they have a workout regimen, but some of this stuff about Mullin not being at graduation is just plain ridiculous.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287129][quote="bamafan" post=287117][quote="Beast of the East" post=287084]Logen, like you I hate it when we agree too much. 80% of my company works from remote home offices around the world. Some successful companies even have c suite execs that do that.

If mullin wins 20 and we dance, i dont care if he coaches games from cali. Conversely, if we dont win, living in the sju dorms wouldn't make him more effective[/quote]
Sort of like an absentee father, I getcha. Sorry I like any college coach to be on hand and I am not saying Mullin isn't as I have no idea just disagreeing with your supposition that's it's OK for a collegiate coach not to be around for his players.[/quote]

I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that with an unexpected temporary situation in his family, guys should just not worry about him being in California for a bunch of time once the season ended. What I am saying is that winning is the only thing that matters. Do you know how many of our players are on campus now? I'm sure they have a workout regimen, but some of this stuff about Mullin not being at graduation is just plain ridiculous.[/quote]

My brother's lacrosse coach didn't attend his college graduation. Is it normal for a coach to attend? The programs always have their own award shows and that is when the coach's celebrate their seniors.
 
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My brother's lacrosse coach didn't attend his college graduation. Is it normal for a coach to attend? The programs always have their own award shows and that is when the coach's celebrate their seniors.[/quote]

I don't know our graduates' background, so this more of a broad comment, but there are a ton of guys playing college basketball for whom school was a lifelong struggle, kids who grew up in many cases without a father with a mom working multiple jobs to keep family afloat, kids raised by grandmas, kids who'll be the first in their family to graduate college. If after all that adversity, the kids I coached managed to walk down that aisle and get their diploma I would definitely be there.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=287140][quote="gman" post=287132]
My brother's lacrosse coach didn't attend his college graduation. Is it normal for a coach to attend? The programs always have their own award shows and that is when the coach's celebrate their seniors.[/quote]

I don't know our graduates' background, so this more of a broad comment, but there are a ton of guys playing college basketball for whom school was a lifelong struggle, kids who grew up in many cases without a father with a mom working multiple jobs to keep family afloat, kids raised by grandmas, kids who'll be the first in their family to graduate college. If after all that adversity, the kids I coached managed to walk down that aisle and get their diploma I would definitely be there.[/quote]

Yes LJSA and a valid point, but each player/parent/coach situation is different and do any of us really know the details of what is happening and why? What's inside the mind of the recruit, the parent, the coach?
ANYWAY - it can be viewed that
We are becoming U Kentucky!!!
We just recruited two top 50/ possibly "one and done" kids (Ponds recruited and will likely be here 1 year; Heron recruited and might well be here a mere one and done).
As some optimistic AND realistic posters have periodically posted, we continue to make progress - sometimes slight, sometimes slow but progress nevertheless.
And I believe Knight said it recently (And I do not know which "camp" Mr. Knight is in as to optimistic, pessimistic) it takes more time and energy and luck to bring a program back from the depths as SJU was.
Finally, can any of us not get excited about what is in store circa 2018-19!
Great possibilities ahead for fans starving for Ws and a tournament appearance.
all the best
AND LET'S GO
Ponds
Simon
Clarke
Trimble
Keita
Dixon
Figueroa
Williams
Roberts
Earlington
(Caraher and Wright on the practice court)
(with the spirit of Sonny Dove and Malik Sealy likely looking down with fondness upon this new team)
 
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[quote="L J S A" post=287140][quote="gman" post=287132]
My brother's lacrosse coach didn't attend his college graduation. Is it normal for a coach to attend? The programs always have their own award shows and that is when the coach's celebrate their seniors.[/quote]

I don't know our graduates' background, so this more of a broad comment, but there are a ton of guys playing college basketball for whom school was a lifelong struggle, kids who grew up in many cases without a father with a mom working multiple jobs to keep family afloat, kids raised by grandmas, kids who'll be the first in their family to graduate college. If after all that adversity, the kids I coached managed to walk down that aisle and get their diploma I would definitely be there.[/quote]

Having just come back from commencement last Monday for my son, one thing that typically happens, is that kids who may be from the most disadvantaged backgrounds have huge contingents of family, cousins, aunts, uncles,grandparents, attend graduation because it means so much.

In my son's case, graduation was such a bang bang zoo. 905 am procession, 10am commencement starts, one speaker, pres speaks, no students spoke, 1130 procession out starts... DONE. Kids hardly see their classmates who are surrounded by a horde of family. Then each individual school has a diploma ceremony, which means you would need to be in as many as 8 places at once to be there for your player. Again, bang bang, kids go their diploma A to Z, and departed as soon as they were handed it.

They had to be out of their dorms by 3 pm, when the school would lock them. They were warned of this.

I'm sure you would think there is plenty of time for a coach to hug each one and cry for their success, but at most schools that's a fantasy.
 
[quote="gman" post=287132][quote="Beast of the East" post=287129][quote="bamafan" post=287117][quote="Beast of the East" post=287084]Logen, like you I hate it when we agree too much. 80% of my company works from remote home offices around the world. Some successful companies even have c suite execs that do that.

If mullin wins 20 and we dance, i dont care if he coaches games from cali. Conversely, if we dont win, living in the sju dorms wouldn't make him more effective[/quote]
Sort of like an absentee father, I getcha. Sorry I like any college coach to be on hand and I am not saying Mullin isn't as I have no idea just disagreeing with your supposition that's it's OK for a collegiate coach not to be around for his players.[/quote]

I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that with an unexpected temporary situation in his family, guys should just not worry about him being in California for a bunch of time once the season ended. What I am saying is that winning is the only thing that matters. Do you know how many of our players are on campus now? I'm sure they have a workout regimen, but some of this stuff about Mullin not being at graduation is just plain ridiculous.[/quote]

My brother's lacrosse coach didn't attend his college graduation. Is it normal for a coach to attend? The programs always have their own award shows and that is when the coach's celebrate their seniors.[/quote]

All this talk of coaches attending their players' graduation is B.S.
Some do and some don’t and it's non of the fans' business either way.
Pick your battle with coaches but this is not one of them.:)
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287129][quote="bamafan" post=287117][quote="Beast of the East" post=287084]Logen, like you I hate it when we agree too much. 80% of my company works from remote home offices around the world. Some successful companies even have c suite execs that do that.

If mullin wins 20 and we dance, i dont care if he coaches games from cali. Conversely, if we dont win, living in the sju dorms wouldn't make him more effective[/quote]
Sort of like an absentee father, I getcha. Sorry I like any college coach to be on hand and I am not saying Mullin isn't as I have no idea just disagreeing with your supposition that's it's OK for a collegiate coach not to be around for his players.[/quote]

I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that with an unexpected temporary situation in his family, guys should just not worry about him being in California for a bunch of time once the season ended. What I am saying is that winning is the only thing that matters. Do you know how many of our players are on campus now? I'm sure they have a workout regimen, but some of this stuff about Mullin not being at graduation is just plain ridiculous.[/quote]

WHAT unexpected temporary situation? It's neither recent nor temporary. I'm not going into detail here but as usual you may PM me for the actual details.;)
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=287165][quote="Beast of the East" post=287129][quote="bamafan" post=287117][quote="Beast of the East" post=287084]Logen, like you I hate it when we agree too much. 80% of my company works from remote home offices around the world. Some successful companies even have c suite execs that do that.

If mullin wins 20 and we dance, i dont care if he coaches games from cali. Conversely, if we dont win, living in the sju dorms wouldn't make him more effective[/quote]
Sort of like an absentee father, I getcha. Sorry I like any college coach to be on hand and I am not saying Mullin isn't as I have no idea just disagreeing with your supposition that's it's OK for a collegiate coach not to be around for his players.[/quote]

I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that with an unexpected temporary situation in his family, guys should just not worry about him being in California for a bunch of time once the season ended. What I am saying is that winning is the only thing that matters. Do you know how many of our players are on campus now? I'm sure they have a workout regimen, but some of this stuff about Mullin not being at graduation is just plain ridiculous.[/quote]

WHAT unexpected temporary situation? It's neither recent nor temporary. I'm not going into detail here but as usual you may PM me for the actual details.;)[/quote]


Leave it to '72 to come up with the goods much like special counsel Robert Mueller
 
[quote="Spocky Ramone" post=296098][quote="IDRAFT" post=296032]NM[/quote]
We've waited almost four months for this?[/quote]


I bumped this thread figuring a group that is always "reading tea leaves" and "reading between the lines" would realize my inference was that this might just be a better place to discuss the coach instead of continually destroying every other thread.

My bad as I forgot the all important step of changing my avatar.
 
1. I hope Heron doesn't read these comments (nipples) or he may transfer somewhere else :woohoo:

2. Going to assume (which is never safe as a SJ fan) that this was just leaked early but will be announced soon. If so, I truly think there's an outside chance that we get mentioned in some top 25 preseason polls. From a talent perspective alone we would definitely warrant it. If we don't end up in the preseason top 25 it's because of coaching and our recent performance IMO. If we do make our way into the top 25 this early, it's huge because our OOC schedule is mostly weak. That means we can not only be in the top 25 but remain in it and even move up. In 2015 we got ranked early during the softer part of our schedule and took advantage making it all the way to 15th before fizzling out. I think we can do the same if not better.

I can't even believe I'm typing this, but we will have two 6'5 guards! That's legit NBA size at that position. Heron and Simon are matchup nightmares and with Simon/Ponds/Heron as our starting guards, we should steamroll most if not all of the cupcakes and seriously compete with the real big boys.
 
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