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Really just making a point about bs rankings...wiuld yyou ever see a undefeated big ten team not ranked at this point? Of course not....ncaa controlled by big schools in midwest. Big east gets no respect so I really dont respect net, kenpom, or any other bs ranking...thats my point...
 
Once again team plays Flat, lack of intensity, you have to WANT to come out and bury a team like this. MO doesn’t bring that leadership style and hasn’t had an Alpha player on the court in 3 years. Team could really use a Ron Mouvika personality. Maybe not the most talented but guy competed hard every game/possession.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=306628][quote="MJDinkins" post=306621][quote="johnny redman" post=306620]Texas just lost to VCU at home! Rankings are BS[/quote]

Texas also lost at home to Radford last Friday.[/quote]

Texas also beat North Carolina and Arkansas on neutral courts. It's hard to be undefeated.

Radford is 6-2 with wins over Notre Dame and Texas. They aren't a cupcake.[/quote]

No one said anything about going undefeated.

Arkansas is also predicted to finish at the bottom of the SEC. UNC occasionally have an early slip up, but I'll give Texas their due there.

Again, Radford also lost to two teams who aren't expected to do much of anything in Duquesne and James Madison.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with St. John's. 72's last post rings loudly, IMO.
 
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[quote="johnny redman" post=306629]Really just making a point about bs rankings...wiuld yyou ever see a undefeated big ten team not ranked at this point? Of course not....ncaa controlled by big schools in midwest. Big east gets no respect so I really dont respect net, kenpom, or any other bs ranking...thats my point...[/quote]

Okay. Cool! Gotcha!
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=306625][quote="OLV72" post=306624][quote="MJDinkins" post=306621][quote="johnny redman" post=306620]Texas just lost to VCU at home! Rankings are BS[/quote]

Texas also lost at home to Radford last Friday.[/quote]


And Radford beat ND on the road too. They are higher ranked in the NET than PC or Xavier.[/quote]

Radford also lost to Duquesne (A-10) and James Madison (CAA) who both are predicted to finish 11th and 6th in their respective conferences.

Frankly, I don't care about some NET at this juncture.[/quote]


Fine, we'll see where Radford winds up at the at the end of the season. Shoot over 40% from three as a team. They will be tough on someone when it really counts.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=306634][quote="MJDinkins" post=306625][quote="OLV72" post=306624][quote="MJDinkins" post=306621][quote="johnny redman" post=306620]Texas just lost to VCU at home! Rankings are BS[/quote]

Texas also lost at home to Radford last Friday.[/quote]


And Radford beat ND on the road too. They are higher ranked in the NET than PC or Xavier.[/quote]

Radford also lost to Duquesne (A-10) and James Madison (CAA) who both are predicted to finish 11th and 6th in their respective conferences.

Frankly, I don't care about some NET at this juncture.[/quote]


Fine, we'll see where Radford winds up at the at the end of the season. Shoot over 40% from three as a team. They will be tough on someone when it really counts.[/quote]

Maybe, but who cares?! My concernment is with the Johnnies, as stated in my recent post.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=306635][quote="OLV72" post=306634][quote="MJDinkins" post=306625][quote="OLV72" post=306624][quote="MJDinkins" post=306621][quote="johnny redman" post=306620]Texas just lost to VCU at home! Rankings are BS[/quote]

Texas also lost at home to Radford last Friday.[/quote]


And Radford beat ND on the road too. They are higher ranked in the NET than PC or Xavier.[/quote]

Radford also lost to Duquesne (A-10) and James Madison (CAA) who both are predicted to finish 11th and 6th in their respective conferences.

Frankly, I don't care about some NET at this juncture.[/quote]


Fine, we'll see where Radford winds up at the at the end of the season. Shoot over 40% from three as a team. They will be tough on someone when it really counts.[/quote]

Maybe, but who cares?! My concernment is with the Johnnies, as stated in my recent post.[/quote]


This does concern the Johnnies. The better VCU does the better the Johnny resume looks in March. Every game counts with where St John's will likely be sitting in early March.
 
[quote="OLV72" post=306636]This does concern the Johnnies. The better VCU does the better the Johnny resume looks in March. Every game counts with where St John's will likely be sitting in early March.[/quote]

If you go back and read, you'll see I never said it didn't matter. I just said, I wasn't concerned about it at this juncture. Frankly, I'm not sweating it at this moment.

The team needs to start playing better, and I'll need to see how they do in their first 5 games in Big East play before I can even concern myself about any NET rankings.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=306626][quote="we are sju" post=306592]
I will say this again though. One positive of us playing poorly and still winning is we have gained experience playing in close games. If we would have won all these games by 20 would have not gained anything.[/quote]

The problem is that if we play poorly against Big East teams, we may not be in a close one at the end in order to utilize this experience.[/quote]

I think they will put a better effort in on D once BE season starts.
 
[quote="johnny redman" post=306629]Really just making a point about bs rankings...wiuld yyou ever see a undefeated big ten team not ranked at this point? Of course not....ncaa controlled by big schools in midwest. Big east gets no respect so I really dont respect net, kenpom, or any other bs ranking...thats my point...[/quote]

Most rankings today are based on metrics worthy of an MIT grad. However, the AP and other pundit polls are based on personal bias as you implied. Most voters never even see the team's they vote for.
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=306630]Once again team plays Flat, lack of intensity, you have to WANT to come out and bury a team like this. MO doesn’t bring that leadership style and hasn’t had an Alpha player on the court in 3 years. Team could really use a Ron Mouvika personality. Maybe not the most talented but guy competed hard every game/possession.[/quote]

You don't think Ponds is an alpha player? Lol

M'Vouica!!! Hahahahaha
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306479]Some people hate doing laundry. Some people hate to do the dishes. Some people hate to go food shopping. This team has 6 guys that hate simply hate, hate, hate to close out on shooters.[/quote]
All you do is bitch and moan, bitch and moan. Take your negativity and complaining to the complaints thread! :eek:hmy:
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=306623]I know we aren't Duke and I totally understand if we play a few of these games where we lay an egg against a terrible team and they play the game of their lives. But that's not the problem. The problem is that this happens almost every time we play awful teams.[/quote]

We’ve played 4 real cupcakes this year. 2 blowouts, one close Game, and one close game where we ended up winning by 14. Hardly everytime
 
[quote="Marillac" post=306644][quote="Danny Noonan" post=306630]Once again team plays Flat, lack of intensity, you have to WANT to come out and bury a team like this. MO doesn’t bring that leadership style and hasn’t had an Alpha player on the court in 3 years. Team could really use a Ron Mouvika personality. Maybe not the most talented but guy competed hard every game/possession.[/quote]

You don't think Ponds is an alpha player? Lol

M'Vouica!!! Hahahahaha[/quote]

I’m talking leadership, intensity, show more emotion. Team plays hard in stretches, never a full 40. Ponds is an all time great at St. John’s. He he even said he was told to work on leadership. I was Ron M as a blue Collar example. Played an intense full 40 they would of blown that team out tonight
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=306602]There are two things I advise a lot of people on this board should do.

1) Accept we are not well coached and probably never will be - it makes the kool aid go down a lot easier. Just accept it guys. All I've seen in my life is Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin coached teams, I don't even know what a well coached st johns team looks like. Just accept it and enjoy life a little bit. Which brings me to my next point

2) Enjoy the little things - We are 8-0 right now and one of the last 11 undefeated teams in Division 1 college basketball. This is St. John's, we are not a consistently great program, we haven't been for a long, long time. I understand and respect people sharing their views and the negatives they see out on the court. But come on guys. We have won every game we have played so far. Even if it comes crashing down in Big East play like soooooooo many of you are predicting, can we please just not have a "sky is falling" attitude right now? On December 29th when Seton Hall kicks our teeth in by 35 points, then we can all collectively lose our shit together. :)

I just read a post from guiness saying I hate to say it but we are probably a one and done in the tournament. We will get into the NCAA and maybe win one and thats it. Okay? You guys do realize that would be the most successful St. John's basketball season in (checks notes), EIGHTEEN YEARS.

I understand my perspective is different because a lot of you were able to actually see the glory days so you hold this program to that esteem. But Mike Zaun, you are like 26 right? How long have you been following this team? Surely you've seen the last 15 years of our team right?

This is my main issue with the doom and gloom. A lot of people think we have a good roster so the expectations are at a level that the program hasn't even delivered on such George W was serving his first term.

We were what, 4-14 in the Big East last year? And we added Mustapha and LJ and lost Bashir. Clear improvement, but why are we world beaters now? We are a good team and nothing more. I hope you can enjoy the wins when they do come. Have a great night[/quote] wisdom
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=306578]What do you say to a huge jacked 6'4 guy who is 8-0 fighting midgets but got taken to the last round in almost all of the matches? Would you be confident to put money on him once he starts fighting heavyweights his size?

8-0 is nice but the team is a mess right now. Mullin is there talking to the team as if they're up 30. I'm not acting like I have all the answers because I don't but that's not my job and to act like coaching is not a major major issue is nuts at this point. Yes of course he tells them to close out and blah blah blah, but whatever IT is, it's not working. This is a team of absolute stud players who are upperclassmen and Mullin is well into year 4. Enough is enough. I don't think we are Kansas. Marist would kill these guys.[/quote]

Your analogies are always the worst. St. Johns is more like a veteran boxer that has had a mediocre career up to date. Finally that boxer has won eight fights in a row against younger boxers who are doing all they can to knock this veteran boxer out, but somehow the veteran finds whatever means possible to win the fight. Sometimes in a very ugly fashion. This veteran boxer is hoping with more training that he will be able to win some of his difficult fights that he has coming up.

If we were Duke, Kentucky, Kansas etc. I could somewhat understand your analogy, but again at that point it's still idiotic. These teams are playing other D1 teams. Any team can beat any other team on any given night. That's proven fact. Your analogy is so far fetched that it would never happen. That's not how analogies work.
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=306652][quote="Mike Zaun" post=306578]What do you say to a huge jacked 6'4 guy who is 8-0 fighting midgets but got taken to the last round in almost all of the matches? Would you be confident to put money on him once he starts fighting heavyweights his size?

8-0 is nice but the team is a mess right now. Mullin is there talking to the team as if they're up 30. I'm not acting like I have all the answers because I don't but that's not my job and to act like coaching is not a major major issue is nuts at this point. Yes of course he tells them to close out and blah blah blah, but whatever IT is, it's not working. This is a team of absolute stud players who are upperclassmen and Mullin is well into year 4. Enough is enough. I don't think we are Kansas. Marist would kill these guys.[/quote]

Your analogies are always the worst. St. Johns is more like a veteran boxer that has had a mediocre career up to date. Finally that boxer has won eight fights in a row against younger boxers who are doing all they can to knock this veteran boxer out, but somehow the veteran finds whatever means possible to win the fight. Sometimes in a very ugly fashion. This veteran boxer is hoping with more training that he will be able to win some of his difficult fights that he has coming up.

If we were Duke, Kentucky, Kansas etc. I could somewhat understand your analogy, but again at that point it's still idiotic. These teams are playing other D1 teams. Any team can beat any other team on any given night. That's proven fact. Your analogy is so far fetched that it would never happen. That's not how analogies work.[/quote]

Perhaps my analogy was exaggerated a bit, partly for emphasis. However, the difference between this St. John's team and the MSM team last night was absolutely supposed to be David vs. Goliath. If it was VCU then I take your point. We're still better than VCU but at least they aren't complete bums.

SJ:
-NET Ranking: 32
-4 and 5 star veteran players
-Home court
-NCAA expectation
-Major conference team

Mount:
-NET Ranking: 348 (out of 353)
-2 star players maybe a 3 star if they're lucky, very young and inexperienced
-Just took a 4.5 hr bus ride away game
-Expected to finish last in an awful low major conference
-Low major team

Just look at the facts. This was a real game until the final 4 or 5 minutes as 25 point favorites. Don't get angry at the fans who see the cracks in the foundation. Just because the foundation is still standing with cracks doesn't mean you should disregard the cracks everywhere. The fact that you and some others would even dare to imply that we shouldn't expect to be much better than Mount right now is absolute absurdity. If we can't expect to blowout one of the worst teams in America at home in a year where people were saying we had the most talent since our Elite 8 run, then do we even have any expectations anymore? Again, the score is misleading stop looking at the final score and acting like we had a 14 pt cushion all game. It was single digits dangerously late. If you can't seriously question coaching at this point, you never will. Jack, I respect your POV and maybe I'm just getting nervous over nothing and we turn it around suddenly. But there's an obvious pattern here. Even one of my friends who doesn't follow the team has been paying attention this year and he says "every game is the same" and he asks "why can't St. John's kill these guys? Don't they suck?". That's the general consensus outside of Redmen.com and it's the perspective I hold as well.
 
We should probably lock this and move on. It was a crappy game (from what I hear). We got the W and move on.
 
Relax everyone. We looked pretty bad at times last year. You think if we played like we did against butler losing by like 30 plus you ever thought we would be competitive against let alone beat duke and villanova? Sure this game was not pleasant at all. The guys said the right things after the game regarding how they played. Learn and move on. Something some fans need to do. You should learn and know by now we play like this sometimes and we play great.
 
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