Mitch Richmond

[quote="MarkRedman" post=300204]From the outside looking in, it appears that our assistant coaches have very specific job descriptions at St John's. Matt's primary responsibility is to recruit, St Jean's primary responsibility are the x's and o's, and Mitch's primary responsibility appears to be in the area of player development. It seems to me that, in most high level D-1 programs, the assistant coaches are much more integrally involved in all phases of the operation and not primarily focused on a specific area, as it appears to be at St John's.

The model for deploying assistant coaches at St John's is very unique and contrary to the norm. Is it a model that will work over the long haul? Perhaps but I have my doubts. Time will tell.......[/quote]

Exactly. So if we criticize Mitch for taking off all summer should we get on Matt for taking all of the games off? Because not one person here ever does that, even though there is post after post saying we don’t coach the kids enough.

Now personally I’m not going to criticize Matt or Mitch, this is how Mullin wants his staff organized and he is the coach. It either works or it does not and this is a good year to judge the entire system.
 
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SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=300213][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant[/quote]

When it was decided MR wasn't joining us, there were rumors that Mullin would have been able to and it was up to him but didn't want to. Mitch is his friend and he supposedly wanted him to keep the job. This was all discussed 24/7 a few months back. Our recruiting results signifies it's at a crisis level. Last 4* to commit from HS was Ponds over 3 years ago. Not happy about it, just reminding what we are dealing with.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=300204]From the outside looking in, it appears that our assistant coaches have very specific job descriptions at St John's. Matt's primary responsibility is to recruit, St Jean's primary responsibility are the x's and o's, and Mitch's primary responsibility appears to be in the area of player development. It seems to me that, in most high level D-1 programs, the assistant coaches are much more integrally involved in all phases of the operation and not primarily focused on a specific area, as it appears to be at St John's.

The model for deploying assistant coaches at St John's is very unique and contrary to the norm. Is it a model that will work over the long haul? Perhaps but I have my doubts. Time will tell.......[/quote]

Excellent observation!
It is a simplified NBA model that Mullin, Mitch and Greg are familiar with but unfortunately this is not NBA level talent or mature players they are guiding. It hasn't worked for 3 years now and if the staff wants to continue that model they should transition back to the NBA.
None of the staff were ever an understudy to a top level college coach and they appear to be making it up as they plod along. Thus, an experienced assistant would have been very valuable but would Mullin have valued that experience?
Like it or not, it is what is and we can debate the capability of the staff until the cows come home.
Having discussions with the staff is nice but useless. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=300204]From the outside looking in, it appears that our assistant coaches have very specific job descriptions at St John's. Matt's primary responsibility is to recruit, St Jean's primary responsibility are the x's and o's, and Mitch's primary responsibility appears to be in the area of player development. It seems to me that, in most high level D-1 programs, the assistant coaches are much more integrally involved in all phases of the operation and not primarily focused on a specific area, as it appears to be at St John's.

The model for deploying assistant coaches at St John's is very unique and contrary to the norm. Is it a model that will work over the long haul? Perhaps but I have my doubts. Time will tell.......[/quote]

Change happens when it's necessary, incrementally to tweak well-run organizations, or in chaos, driven by failure.
For all the angst about this Staff being or not being well-structured, we find ourselves with the best roster in 20 years.
Let's celebrate that, root like hell in 2018-19, and hope that great success brings a couple top 2019 recruits.
Change is also easier to implement from success than failure.
Let the games begin.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=300214][quote="Beast of the East" post=300213][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant[/quote]

When it was decided MR wasn't joining us, there were rumors that Mullin would have been able to and it was up to him but didn't want to. Mitch is his friend and he supposedly wanted him to keep the job. This was all discussed 24/7 a few months back. Our recruiting results signifies it's at a crisis level. Last 4* to commit from HS was Ponds over 3 years ago. Not happy about it, just reminding what we are dealing with.[/quote]

Just to be clear, reportedly, and "rumored on here" ate teo very different things, proving my point.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300213][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant[/quote]

Well since Chris refused to report to our old AD, the responsibility for hiring his assistants is 100% on him. He replaced a qualified one who recruited with an excellent recruiting reputation with one that doesn’t. This isn’t conjecture. We need another big time recruiter and it’s obvious. It’s on Chris to fix that.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=300223][quote="Beast of the East" post=300213][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant[/quote]

Well since Chris refused to report to our old AD, the responsibility for hiring his assistants is 100% on him. He replaced a qualified one who recruited with an excellent recruiting reputation with one that doesn’t. This isn’t conjecture. We need another big time recruiter and it’s obvious. It’s on Chris to fix that.[/quote]

Regardless of this season's record the possibility remains that Mullin and staff may end up with one 3 star junior college guard and none of the intended 2019 targets. From a recruiting standpoint that would be an abysmal failure for any Big East team.
Like last year's wins over Villanova and Duke, the signing of Figueroa and Heron may be timing and last minute luck. THAT is not recruiting for long term success.
After a while you will run out of spaghetti to throw against the wall.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=300223][quote="Beast of the East" post=300213][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant[/quote]

Well since Chris refused to report to our old AD, the responsibility for hiring his assistants is 100% on him. He replaced a qualified one who recruited with an excellent recruiting reputation with one that doesn’t. This isn’t conjecture. We need another big time recruiter and it’s obvious. It’s on Chris to fix that.[/quote]

Mullin refused to report to the previous AD? I missed that, is there a link to the article? I do agree with overall opinion, results for the basketball team are the responsibility of the coach.
 
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Regardless of this season's record the possibility remains that Mullin and staff may end up with one 3 star junior college guard and none of the intended 2019 targets. From a recruiting standpoint that would be an abysmal failure for any Big East team.
Like last year's wins over Villanova and Duke, the signing of Figueroa and Heron may be timing and last minute luck. THAT is not recruiting for long term success.
After a while you will run out of spaghetti to throw against the wall.[/quote]

Let’s talk facts, something this board finds abhorrent.
Slice was let go after year one of a six year contract.
Slice was owed $3,000,000.00 by SJU.
No donor has stepped up to cover the shortfall.
The school is on an austerity program.
There is not an additional $3,000,000.00 to hire another top notch recruiter /AC.
It is not a case of not wanting to fix the broken cylinder , it is a case of a lack of funds to fix the broken cylinder.
I believe it is called Title IX where sports teams have to be treated somewhat equally, well the men are not getting extra funds to replace Slice and the women’s program is also not getting extra funds.
As for the 2019 Class we have a 4* sitting out this year as well as a 2* who was the rookie of the year in his conference, so please no one should say that our 2019 class may consist of only a 3* jc guard, as that is just false.
Now am I happy that the first 2 of the 3 available ships for 2019 were given to transfers, no i was not. I was hoping for a class of high level high school recruits. But I will wait to see how things play out prior to shitting on the staff every other post.
We may be pleasantly surprised.

In the interim can we please try to stick to facts as opposed to wild conjecture and speculation ?
 
Just a couple of comments re this subject.
A well thought out staffing plan would have the head coach hire three assistants who can both contribute at practice/games and have a niche in the recruiting efforts. That's the way most schools do it.
Let's get rid of this "special advisor" spot. If a young/inexperienced coach feels in need of a mentor, have one of your three assistants fill that role. Louie Orr functions in that role for Ewing
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=300223][quote="Beast of the East" post=300213][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300212]SLY, it's as simple as this. Let's use cars as an example. All major hoops programs including the Big East programs are running on 4 cylinders. This represents functioning at the maximum level possible. Here at St. John's, we are running on 3 cylinders. Not because the cylinder got damaged by accident....in fact we ripped out the 4th cylinder and said "meh, we don't need this". That was Mullin reportedly not wanting to hire a real AC to help recruit while retaining Mitch. As someone else said, we are hamstringing ourselves. We shot ourselves in the foot willingly.

In the races, we are slower than the other cars consistently and instead of making the obvious fix and adding the 4th cylinder again, we have people saying we should go all in with 3 cylinders and just pray we somehow win the race against 4 cylinder cars. Knowing there is something wrong with the engine compared to the other engines and doubling down instead of fixing it....and then defending it is pretty silly IMO to put it mildly.[/quote]

It's pretty silly when you say things like "reportedly Chris didn't want to hire an assistant" when no credible source reported this. Building a case based on redmen.com bullshit is pretty silly IMO.

I don't have the time to fact check you but it appears Villanova has 3 assistants. In my memory Lavin left money on the table to hire Keady as a 4th, special assistant[/quote]

Well since Chris refused to report to our old AD, the responsibility for hiring his assistants is 100% on him. He replaced a qualified one who recruited with an excellent recruiting reputation with one that doesn’t. This isn’t conjecture. We need another big time recruiter and it’s obvious. It’s on Chris to fix that.[/quote]

Another falsehood. Goff was a lightweight who was hired only because the 4 other candidates removed themselves from consideration and Goff remained. As somewhat inexperienced at this level to my knowledge it was oliva's decision approved by bobby g. To have the hc report to him. But your assertion just is there because it follows your narrative.
 
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[quote="Las Vegan" post=300228]Just a couple of comments re this subject.
A well thought out staffing plan would have the head coach hire three assistants who can both contribute at practice/games and have a niche in the recruiting efforts. That's the way most schools do it.
Let's get rid of this "special advisor" spot. If a young/inexperienced coach feels in need of a mentor, have one of your three assistants fill that role. Louie Orr functions in that role for Ewing[/quote]

Special advisor has been gone since mitch was elevated to assistant status. Would you like to advocate for a shot clock now?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300236][quote="Las Vegan" post=300228]Just a couple of comments re this subject.
A well thought out staffing plan would have the head coach hire three assistants who can both contribute at practice/games and have a niche in the recruiting efforts. That's the way most schools do it.
Let's get rid of this "special advisor" spot. If a young/inexperienced coach feels in need of a mentor, have one of your three assistants fill that role. Louie Orr functions in that role for Ewing[/quote]

Special advisor has been gone since mitch was elevated to assistant status. Would you like to advocate for a shot clock now?[/quote]

I'm aware the special asst. position is vacant now, but people have proposed moving Richmond back to it, if we hired Mike Rice, so the idea was in play. I'll leave the shot clock decisions to savants like you.
 
Did we ever have a special assistant before keady? Omg my mind is so shot
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300238]Did we ever have a special assistant before keady? Omg my mind is so shot[/quote]
Willis Reed functioned as such way back when
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=300239][quote="mjmaherjr" post=300238]Did we ever have a special assistant before keady? Omg my mind is so shot[/quote]
Willis Reed functioned as such way back when[/quote] really ? What years approx ? I’ve onky followed sju since 87. That’s pretty cool actually. I’m pretty sure my time at sju 88-92 we didn’t have one. But after that I really don’t remember
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300241][quote="Paultzman" post=300239][quote="mjmaherjr" post=300238]Did we ever have a special assistant before keady? Omg my mind is so shot[/quote]
Willis Reed functioned as such way back when[/quote] really ? What years approx ? I’ve onky followed sju since 87. That’s pretty cool actually. I’m pretty sure my time at sju 88-92 we didn’t have one. But after that I really don’t remember[/quote]

Reed volunteered for one season I believe. Today obviously the compensation for Keady & Mitch beat that. :)

“Reed's accomplishments didn't end there. He was the first Knicks player to have his jersey retired. After his playing days were over, Reed took over as the coach for the 1977-78 season and managed to entice a 43-39 record out of his squad. He coached 14 games the next season before taking on an assistant coach position at St. John's, then as head coach at Creighton University from 1981-82 to 1984-85”
 
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