Mitch Richmond

A more involved Mitch can only help but he’d be a huge asset also recruiting. The wealth of knowledge he posssrs as well Mullin omg if utilized would be ridiculous. Still night not translate to wins but it can’t hurt
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300167]A more involved Mitch can only help but he’d be a huge asset also recruiting. The wealth of knowledge he posssrs as well Mullin omg if utilized would be ridiculous. Still night not translate to wins but it can’t hurt[/quote]

And that's what I thought we were getting, when Mitch became an AC. I thought that both CM and Mitch would camp in recruits' living rooms and convey an unbeatable 'presence' and impression on these kids.
To be kind, it hasn't quite worked out that way.
Hopefully, it will.
 
Wow in one shot he is gesticulating and in the other he actually has his eyes open. Either he is doing some actual coaching or a pretty good imitation. ;) :)
 
Let's give Mitch a break and see how this year goes. He is doing the job our coach is comfortable with him doing. Ultimately, CM will sink or swim with the staff he has chosen and all the sarcasm does no one any good.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=300183]Wow in one shot he is gesticulating and in the other he actually has his eyes open. Either he is doing some actual coaching or a pretty good imitation. ;) :)[/quote]

We better stop patting Mitch on the back
If he reads these boards, he might think he is due for a raise
 
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The thing that annoys me is that if he's making an effort to look busy because of the new AD, it means that he knew he was super lazy before. I prefer to think that he just took a really long time to settle into the role.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=300184]Let's give Mitch a break and see how this year goes. He is doing the job our coach is comfortable with him doing. Ultimately, CM will sink or swim with the staff he has chosen and all the sarcasm does no one any good.[/quote]
He had a long enough break this summer. :dry:
 
[quote="L J S A" post=300188]The thing that annoys me is that if he's making an effort to look busy because of the new AD, it means that he knew he was super lazy before. I prefer to think that he just took a really long time to settle into the role.[/quote]

Except for maybe Panther, who has been to at least some practices, very few here would even have a guess as to Mitch's role there. He may be much more engaged with players than speculated. Coming from the role of special advisor, where you are forbidden from in game coaching as far as i know, to assistant, is a transition. I had spoken to Keady a couple of times about his role, and he told me that he observed a lot, took lots of notes, and interacted with Steve about game prep, situations, and player development. We've speculated a lot here without knowing Mich's actual role and level of interaction with Chris.

We've also speculated a ton about this being a 12 month a year commitment. If that were completely true, how could a coach commit to coaching Olympic or national teams without hurting his own program, or spend time with family.

All i know is to me that it is a very good sign to see Mitch engaged on the sideline. Maybe its his own comfort level as a new coach himself, maybe at Chris' urging, or even at showing Cregg that he is of value here. All i do know is for players, an nba HOFer has a lot to offer and I'm happy to see him active on the sidelines.

We all know the deal - we hired a guy who never coached before who has been second guessed by us at every turn, had his and his staff's commitment and experience questioned. Like many have said, let's relax a little and enjoy what appears to be our most talented squad in years. Even then I'm not over projecting. It's still a small, if talented team. But this should be fun and that's that.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=300183]Wow in one shot he is gesticulating and in the other he actually has his eyes open. Either he is doing some actual coaching or a pretty good imitation. ;) :)[/quote]

Exactly, so what. A guy who is filling an AC position (and providing Matt with no support) waived his arms and got excited during a game. Declaring this a breakthrough is essentially lowering the bar of expectation. Wake me up when we have someone in that position who fulfills all the responsibilities. Until then, thank God for Matt who is the only reason we have an exciting season in front of us. #Truth
 
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Those who have criticized Mitch for nearly everything , except eating in the Cafeteria have a double standard when it comes to their evaluation of the Staff . Matt A has done a commendable job in recruiting . No argument there . But, does Matt attend practice and spend time Coaching Clarke on setting baseline Screens ? Or , assisting Simon on his free throws ? How about Matt working with Shamorie on fast break dunks ? Why not ? Because Matt isn’t a BB Coach or former Athlete and because his Job is Recruiting , not Coaching . Why can’t the critics cut Mitch the same break , since he does work with the Players on individual skills . As many have said , Chris Mullin is the only one who is in the position of evaluating Mitch Richmond and his contributions . Posters on here ? Hardly !
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=300197]Those who have criticized Mitch for nearly everything , except eating in the Cafeteria have a double standard when it comes to their evaluation of the Staff . Matt A has done a commendable job in recruiting . No argument there . But, does Matt attend practice and spend time Coaching Clarke on setting baseline Screens ? Or , assisting Simon on his free throws ? How about Matt working with Shamorie on fast break dunks ? Why not ? Because Matt isn’t a BB Coach or former Athlete and because his Job is Recruiting , not Coaching . Why can’t the critics cut Mitch the same break , since he does work with the Players on individual skills . As many have said , Chris Mullin is the only one who is in the position of evaluating Mitch Richmond and his contributions . Posters on here ? Hardly ![/quote]

Because that's the thing to do around here. Take wild speculation, treat it as fact, and start complaining relentlessly. Beast seems to be in the know, so I'm taking this whole discussion as him filling us in on Mitch's current role.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=300193][quote="bamafan" post=300183]Wow in one shot he is gesticulating and in the other he actually has his eyes open. Either he is doing some actual coaching or a pretty good imitation. ;) :)[/quote]

Exactly, so what. A guy who is filling an AC position (and providing Matt with no support) waived his arms and got excited during a game. Declaring this a breakthrough is essentially lowering the bar of expectation. Wake me up when we have someone in that position who fulfills all the responsibilities. Until then, thank God for Matt who is the only reason we have an exciting season in front of us. #Truth[/quote]

I’m in total agreement here. If he’s not out recruiting hard, and has zero coaching experience, he isn’t helping do what we need a person in that position to do. Not even close. Mullin is our inexperienced coach who doesn’t recruit. We don’t need 2 guys like that. Mullin should be surrounding himself with people who have experience coaching and recruiting NCAA college basketball. We are hamstringing ourselves. Make him some “special advisor” like Keady, and get a real AHC and recruiter in here. It’s not even a matter of conjecture. He’s not doing what we need a high level assistant to be doing. It’s
Obvious that Mullin and Richmond’s reputation from their heyday isn’t bringing the prizes recruits in... Elbow grease by Matt is!
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=300197]Those who have criticized Mitch for nearly everything , except eating in the Cafeteria have a double standard when it comes to their evaluation of the Staff . Matt A has done a commendable job in recruiting . No argument there . But, does Matt attend practice and spend time Coaching Clarke on setting baseline Screens ? Or , assisting Simon on his free throws ? How about Matt working with Shamorie on fast break dunks ? Why not ? Because Matt isn’t a BB Coach or former Athlete and because his Job is Recruiting , not Coaching . Why can’t the critics cut Mitch the same break , since he does work with the Players on individual skills . As many have said , Chris Mullin is the only one who is in the position of evaluating Mitch Richmond and his contributions . Posters on here ? Hardly ![/quote]

Wrong. If only one assistant is out recruiting, and the other isn’t, then he’s not doing his job. There are no other D1 teams who only have one solo recruiter. We replaced guy like Slice who was a long time assistant with loads of experience at multiple schools, and was a known recruiter, with somebody who had none of those things. That’s not an even trade.
 
How many of you guys who are criticizing Mitch for his in-game interaction have actually gone to a game? Mitch is always interacting with the players but more on a one-to-one basis during TOs and after, when the player sits next to him on the bench.

So you want Mitch involved in the huddle along with Chris and St. Jean as well?

If you want to complain about other aspects of Mitch's job, as you perceive them, fire away, but this latest stuff is BS.
 
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[quote="MCNPA" post=300199][quote="JohnnyFan" post=300193][quote="bamafan" post=300183]Wow in one shot he is gesticulating and in the other he actually has his eyes open. Either he is doing some actual coaching or a pretty good imitation. ;) :)[/quote]

Exactly, so what. A guy who is filling an AC position (and providing Matt with no support) waived his arms and got excited during a game. Declaring this a breakthrough is essentially lowering the bar of expectation. Wake me up when we have someone in that position who fulfills all the responsibilities. Until then, thank God for Matt who is the only reason we have an exciting season in front of us. #Truth[/quote]

I’m in total agreement here. If he’s not out recruiting hard, and has zero coaching experience, he isn’t helping do what we need a person in that position to do. Not even close. Mullin is our inexperienced coach who doesn’t recruit. We don’t need 2 guys like that. Mullin should be surrounding himself with people who have experience coaching and recruiting NCAA college basketball. We are hamstringing ourselves. Make him some “special advisor” like Keady, and get a real AHC and recruiter in here. It’s not even a matter of conjecture. He’s not doing what we need a high level assistant to be doing. It’s
Obvious that Mullin and Richmond’s reputation from their heyday isn’t bringing the prizes recruits in... Elbow grease by Matt is![/quote]. Matt A is a Assistant Coach too, isn’t he ? Everyone agrees Matt is the Principal Recruiter , right ? When Matt isn’t Recruiting is he at Practice working on drills , individual Player improvement, Coaching the Skins vs the Shirts ? The answer to that is not likely . Mullin selected Barry Rohrseen as his AC and prized Recruit Staff . It didn’t work out .. Mullin is responsible for that mistake . Rohrseen is still being paid a lot of money for not being here . Is it possible the President of the School did not want another mid 6 figure Salary on the BB Program budget , while still paying Barry ? It is possible , isn’t it ? And , who , besides the Posters who are inflamed , decides what Mitch Richmond should be doing ? Mike Zaun? The last time I looked Mike wasn’t being a paid BB staffer . All of this Board stuff is the individuals opinion, not St John’s Policy . On Basketball or Academics . I’m very happy having Matt A do his job and Mitch Richmond do his . The Season is shortly underway , expectations are high , let’s focus on the Play on the Court and leave the off season sniping alone .
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=300202][quote="MCNPA" post=300199][quote="JohnnyFan" post=300193][quote="bamafan" post=300183]Wow in one shot he is gesticulating and in the other he actually has his eyes open. Either he is doing some actual coaching or a pretty good imitation. ;) :)[/quote]

Exactly, so what. A guy who is filling an AC position (and providing Matt with no support) waived his arms and got excited during a game. Declaring this a breakthrough is essentially lowering the bar of expectation. Wake me up when we have someone in that position who fulfills all the responsibilities. Until then, thank God for Matt who is the only reason we have an exciting season in front of us. #Truth[/quote]

I’m in total agreement here. If he’s not out recruiting hard, and has zero coaching experience, he isn’t helping do what we need a person in that position to do. Not even close. Mullin is our inexperienced coach who doesn’t recruit. We don’t need 2 guys like that. Mullin should be surrounding himself with people who have experience coaching and recruiting NCAA college basketball. We are hamstringing ourselves. Make him some “special advisor” like Keady, and get a real AHC and recruiter in here. It’s not even a matter of conjecture. He’s not doing what we need a high level assistant to be doing. It’s
Obvious that Mullin and Richmond’s reputation from their heyday isn’t bringing the prizes recruits in... Elbow grease by Matt is![/quote]. Matt A is a Assistant Coach too, isn’t he ? Everyone agrees Matt is the Principal Recruiter , right ? When Matt isn’t Recruiting is he at Practice working on drills , individual Player improvement, Coaching the Skins vs the Shirts ? The answer to that is not likely . Mullin selected Barry Rohrseen as his AC and prized Recruit Staff . It didn’t work out .. Mullin is responsible for that mistake . Rohrseen is still being paid a lot of money for not being here . Is it possible the President of the School did not want another mid 6 figure Salary on the BB Program budget , while still paying Barry ? It is possible , isn’t it ? And , who , besides the Posters who are inflamed , decides what Mitch Richmond should be doing ? Mike Zaun? The last time I looked Mike wasn’t being a paid BB staffer . All of this Board stuff is the individuals opinion, not St John’s Policy . On Basketball or Academics . I’m very happy having Matt A do his job and Mitch Richmond do his . The Season is shortly underway , expectations are high , let’s focus on the Play on the Court and leave the off season sniping alone .[/quote]

I don’t agree. High level assistants need to be recruiting. We don’t need a high level assistant with no coaching experience to run shirts vs skins games nor work on free throw form. We need a recruiter to bring players in. Mitch gets targeted because there certainly are expectations of the top assists, and they don’t include disappearing during the summer while Matt tries to be everywhere. Practice all the free throws you want... talent wins ball games. If we are going to be good this year it is in majority due to the fact that Matt landed all of the talent. All of it..
 
From the outside looking in, it appears that our assistant coaches have very specific job descriptions at St John's. Matt's primary responsibility is to recruit, St Jean's primary responsibility are the x's and o's, and Mitch's primary responsibility appears to be in the area of player development. It seems to me that, in most high level D-1 programs, the assistant coaches are much more integrally involved in all phases of the operation and not primarily focused on a specific area, as it appears to be at St John's.

The model for deploying assistant coaches at St John's is very unique and contrary to the norm. Is it a model that will work over the long haul? Perhaps but I have my doubts. Time will tell.......
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=300200][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=300197]Those who have criticized Mitch for nearly everything , except eating in the Cafeteria have a double standard when it comes to their evaluation of the Staff . Matt A has done a commendable job in recruiting . No argument there . But, does Matt attend practice and spend time Coaching Clarke on setting baseline Screens ? Or , assisting Simon on his free throws ? How about Matt working with Shamorie on fast break dunks ? Why not ? Because Matt isn’t a BB Coach or former Athlete and because his Job is Recruiting , not Coaching . Why can’t the critics cut Mitch the same break , since he does work with the Players on individual skills . As many have said , Chris Mullin is the only one who is in the position of evaluating Mitch Richmond and his contributions . Posters on here ? Hardly ![/quote]

Wrong. If only one assistant is out recruiting, and the other isn’t, then he’s not doing his job. There are no other D1 teams who only have one solo recruiter. We replaced guy like Slice who was a long time assistant with loads of experience at multiple schools, and was a known recruiter, with somebody who had none of those things. That’s not an even trade.[/quote]. Wrong ? Why ? Mitch was originally a Special Advisor , like Keady was with Lavin . Matt A and Barry Rohrseen were the Assistant Coaches . Presumably given their respective Duties by Mullin . Barry was let go , fired , asked to leave , whatever . Obviously , a disconnect between he and Mullin . That left a spot unfilled on the Staff . Richmond , already on Staff but, not a Coach , was asked to become a Assistant Coach and he accepted . So , technically , the Staff was still short 1 person . From a dollars and cents point, the Budgeted Staff Compensation was still paying Barry but, he wasn’t here . For Mullin or the School to hire another Prized Recruiting Assistant Coach to replace Barry would be a considerable added expense . Not contemplated in the BB Program budget . No one , Mullin included ever said Richmond was being elevated to do the same job as Rohrseen , except those posters who made that up as fact . It’s possible Mullin was content for Matt A to pick up ALL the Recruiting duties and just not replace Barry . And , wby not ? It’s also possible that Chris only wanted Mitch working on Player Development and individual Skills and not Recruit . It has been only the dissenters who have assigned Recruiting duties to Mitch . And , you know how much that means in the real world .
 
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[quote="Section9" post=300201]How many of you guys who are criticizing Mitch for his in-game interaction have actually gone to a game? Mitch is always interacting with the players but more on a one-to-one basis during TOs and after, when the player sits next to him on the bench.

So you want Mitch involved in the huddle along with Chris and St. Jean as well?

If you want to complain about other aspects of Mitch's job, as you perceive them, fire away, but this latest stuff is BS.[/quote]

Agree 100 percent. I have mentioned this in previous years, Mitch is clearly engaged with the players during the game.
 
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