Anthony Mattia
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Just out of curiosity, it seems as though some of the posters here know local reporters, or at least have an in with them. Have any of the reporters asked Mullin directly about Mitch and his role in recruiting?
Mitch Richmond
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[quote="Mike" post=300403][quote="Class of 72" post=300371][quote="Mike" post=300365]I think we can all agree that we need more effort full time on the recruiting front. However if Mitch is doing exactly what Coach is telling him to do then it’s not his fault. The current makeup of this staff is on Coach and if it doesn’t work out then I’m sure he will walk away before he gets fired.[/quote]
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.
[quote="Class of 72" post=300414][quote="Mike" post=300403][quote="Class of 72" post=300371][quote="Mike" post=300365]I think we can all agree that we need more effort full time on the recruiting front. However if Mitch is doing exactly what Coach is telling him to do then it’s not his fault. The current makeup of this staff is on Coach and if it doesn’t work out then I’m sure he will walk away before he gets fired.[/quote]
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.[/quote]
Correct , correct and correct. We are still on the hook for $1.8 million or whatever we paid to settle as I was told last fall that Slice had instituted proceedings against SJU.
However, I am of the opinion and perhaps erroneously, that a good hungry recruiter could be obtained for far less than the amount we were paying Slice. I am also of the opinion as expressed by MJ Dinkins earlier today that the head coach should be front and center involved in recruiting. Perhaps if our head coach was giving Matt more assistance Slices departure would not be as magnified.
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.[/quote]
Correct , correct and correct. We are still on the hook for $1.8 million or whatever we paid to settle as I was told last fall that Slice had instituted proceedings against SJU.
However, I am of the opinion and perhaps erroneously, that a good hungry recruiter could be obtained for far less than the amount we were paying Slice. I am also of the opinion as expressed by MJ Dinkins earlier today that the head coach should be front and center involved in recruiting. Perhaps if our head coach was giving Matt more assistance Slices departure would not be as magnified.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300332][quote="Moose" post=300307][quote="Las Vegan" post=300305][quote="otis" post=300279][quote="Class of 72" post=300278]
....... Recruiting 4 and 5 star talent out of high school takes a lot of credibility and establishing long term relationships......[/quote]
The recent convictions of James Gatto, Adidas’s former head of global basketball marketing; Merl Code Jr., another former Adidas employee; and aspiring agent named Christian Dawkins seems to indicate that Louisville, UArizona and other top men’s basketball programs have indeed established long term relationships with more than jus high school basketball players.[/quote]
Is this the same James Gatto who had coached at Mater Christi HS? I was at the CHSAA championship game, in the late 1970s, when they beat Holy Cross, in overtime. That MC team was loaded with Division 1 talent, including Vern Fleming, Red Bruin and Tiny Smith. Wonder if the cheating was going on at that level.[/quote]
No[/quote]
Cheating? Depends what you call cheating. All i know is that without athletic scholarships, magically some of the best players from the projects wound up at private schools, some like Molloy and Holy Cross which were better academic schools[/quote]
I knew a number of teachers/coaches in the CHSAA during this period, and the cheating question was often a topic of conversation. Scholarships weren't offered outright, but there were questions re who was paying the tuition for certain players. The recruiting, pre AAU, used to involve a coach from a local Catholic school showing up at a CYO or Pop Warner game and talking to a player about attending their school. The players were usually one or two bus rides from the school. Things changed in the mid-seventies and you noticed players showing up from greater distances and more questions as to why certain kids were showing up at certain schools. It's probably fair to assume that most schools engaged in some "aggressive" recruiting, but some schools were more suspect than others. That Holy Cross team had all local kids, and two division one prospects, Mater Christi had four or five.
....... Recruiting 4 and 5 star talent out of high school takes a lot of credibility and establishing long term relationships......[/quote]
The recent convictions of James Gatto, Adidas’s former head of global basketball marketing; Merl Code Jr., another former Adidas employee; and aspiring agent named Christian Dawkins seems to indicate that Louisville, UArizona and other top men’s basketball programs have indeed established long term relationships with more than jus high school basketball players.[/quote]
Is this the same James Gatto who had coached at Mater Christi HS? I was at the CHSAA championship game, in the late 1970s, when they beat Holy Cross, in overtime. That MC team was loaded with Division 1 talent, including Vern Fleming, Red Bruin and Tiny Smith. Wonder if the cheating was going on at that level.[/quote]
No[/quote]
Cheating? Depends what you call cheating. All i know is that without athletic scholarships, magically some of the best players from the projects wound up at private schools, some like Molloy and Holy Cross which were better academic schools[/quote]
I knew a number of teachers/coaches in the CHSAA during this period, and the cheating question was often a topic of conversation. Scholarships weren't offered outright, but there were questions re who was paying the tuition for certain players. The recruiting, pre AAU, used to involve a coach from a local Catholic school showing up at a CYO or Pop Warner game and talking to a player about attending their school. The players were usually one or two bus rides from the school. Things changed in the mid-seventies and you noticed players showing up from greater distances and more questions as to why certain kids were showing up at certain schools. It's probably fair to assume that most schools engaged in some "aggressive" recruiting, but some schools were more suspect than others. That Holy Cross team had all local kids, and two division one prospects, Mater Christi had four or five.
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[quote="redmannorth" post=300417][quote="Class of 72" post=300414][quote="Mike" post=300403][quote="Class of 72" post=300371][quote="Mike" post=300365]I think we can all agree that we need more effort full time on the recruiting front. However if Mitch is doing exactly what Coach is telling him to do then it’s not his fault. The current makeup of this staff is on Coach and if it doesn’t work out then I’m sure he will walk away before he gets fired.[/quote]
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.[/quote]
Correct , correct and correct. We are still on the hook for $1.8 million or whatever we paid to settle as I was told last fall that Slice had instituted proceedings against SJU.
However, I am of the opinion and perhaps erroneously, that a good hungry recruiter could be obtained for far less than the amount we were paying Slice. I am also of the opinion as expressed by MJ Dinkins earlier today that the head coach should be front and center involved in recruiting. Perhaps if our head coach was giving Matt more assistance Slices departure would not be as magnified.[/quote]
Absolutely! Not only coach but Mitch and Greg. It would have been a great learning experience for all of them. It should never have come to point of Matt having to have expressed as much to someone. My biggest relief now is having an AD who had no connection to the mom and pop tradition here and who will be front and center of running athletics as opposed to chasing after skirts or working on their tan.
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.[/quote]
Correct , correct and correct. We are still on the hook for $1.8 million or whatever we paid to settle as I was told last fall that Slice had instituted proceedings against SJU.
However, I am of the opinion and perhaps erroneously, that a good hungry recruiter could be obtained for far less than the amount we were paying Slice. I am also of the opinion as expressed by MJ Dinkins earlier today that the head coach should be front and center involved in recruiting. Perhaps if our head coach was giving Matt more assistance Slices departure would not be as magnified.[/quote]
Absolutely! Not only coach but Mitch and Greg. It would have been a great learning experience for all of them. It should never have come to point of Matt having to have expressed as much to someone. My biggest relief now is having an AD who had no connection to the mom and pop tradition here and who will be front and center of running athletics as opposed to chasing after skirts or working on their tan.
[quote="Class of 72" post=300419][quote="redmannorth" post=300417][quote="Class of 72" post=300414][quote="Mike" post=300403][quote="Class of 72" post=300371][quote="Mike" post=300365]I think we can all agree that we need more effort full time on the recruiting front. However if Mitch is doing exactly what Coach is telling him to do then it’s not his fault. The current makeup of this staff is on Coach and if it doesn’t work out then I’m sure he will walk away before he gets fired.[/quote]
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.[/quote]
Correct , correct and correct. We are still on the hook for $1.8 million or whatever we paid to settle as I was told last fall that Slice had instituted proceedings against SJU.
However, I am of the opinion and perhaps erroneously, that a good hungry recruiter could be obtained for far less than the amount we were paying Slice. I am also of the opinion as expressed by MJ Dinkins earlier today that the head coach should be front and center involved in recruiting. Perhaps if our head coach was giving Matt more assistance Slices departure would not be as magnified.[/quote]
Absolutely! Not only coach but Mitch and Greg. It would have been a great learning experience for all of them. It should never have come to point of Matt having to have expressed as much to someone. My biggest relief now is having an AD who had no connection to the mom and pop tradition here and who will be front and center of running athletics as opposed to chasing after skirts or working on their tan.[/quo8
If one still has the apttitude, energy, and ‘freedom’ to “chase skirts”, God Bless.
Lol.
I think Mullin was open to a staff addition. He is on the hook for a $3 million contract due to his feud with Slice. Perhaps the president vetoed any hire with an unwritten message. "You made this bed, now sleep in it"[/quote]
I agree that could very well be the message. If that was the message then it’s up to him to tell them that we need help with recruiting. I will assume that was never told to Mitch.[/quote]
We will never know due to non-disclosure agreements written into most contracts these days. Some folks here justifiably bring up SJU austerity measures. Obviously you can't make a $3 million hiring mistake 9 months into a 6 year guaranteed contract and not pay for it one way or another. Obviously this president will not allocate any additional funds to bail Mullin out of that mistake. Because of the secretive nature of the split no donor in their right mind will help either.[/quote]
Correct , correct and correct. We are still on the hook for $1.8 million or whatever we paid to settle as I was told last fall that Slice had instituted proceedings against SJU.
However, I am of the opinion and perhaps erroneously, that a good hungry recruiter could be obtained for far less than the amount we were paying Slice. I am also of the opinion as expressed by MJ Dinkins earlier today that the head coach should be front and center involved in recruiting. Perhaps if our head coach was giving Matt more assistance Slices departure would not be as magnified.[/quote]
Absolutely! Not only coach but Mitch and Greg. It would have been a great learning experience for all of them. It should never have come to point of Matt having to have expressed as much to someone. My biggest relief now is having an AD who had no connection to the mom and pop tradition here and who will be front and center of running athletics as opposed to chasing after skirts or working on their tan.[/quo8
If one still has the apttitude, energy, and ‘freedom’ to “chase skirts”, God Bless.
Lol.
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beast of the east
Active member
[quote="Las Vegan" post=300418][quote="Beast of the East" post=300332][quote="Moose" post=300307][quote="Las Vegan" post=300305][quote="otis" post=300279][quote="Class of 72" post=300278]
....... Recruiting 4 and 5 star talent out of high school takes a lot of credibility and establishing long term relationships......[/quote]
The recent convictions of James Gatto, Adidas’s former head of global basketball marketing; Merl Code Jr., another former Adidas employee; and aspiring agent named Christian Dawkins seems to indicate that Louisville, UArizona and other top men’s basketball programs have indeed established long term relationships with more than jus high school basketball players.[/quote]
Is this the same James Gatto who had coached at Mater Christi HS? I was at the CHSAA championship game, in the late 1970s, when they beat Holy Cross, in overtime. That MC team was loaded with Division 1 talent, including Vern Fleming, Red Bruin and Tiny Smith. Wonder if the cheating was going on at that level.[/quote]
No[/quote]
Cheating? Depends what you call cheating. All i know is that without athletic scholarships, magically some of the best players from the projects wound up at private schools, some like Molloy and Holy Cross which were better academic schools[/quote]
I knew a number of teachers/coaches in the CHSAA during this period, and the cheating question was often a topic of conversation. Scholarships weren't offered outright, but there were questions re who was paying the tuition for certain players. The recruiting, pre AAU, used to involve a coach from a local Catholic school showing up at a CYO or Pop Warner game and talking to a player about attending their school. The players were usually one or two bus rides from the school. Things changed in the mid-seventies and you noticed players showing up from greater distances and more questions as to why certain kids were showing up at certain schools. It's probably fair to assume that most schools engaged in some "aggressive" recruiting, but some schools were more suspect than others. That Holy Cross team had all local kids, and two division one prospects, Mater Christi had four or five.[/quote]
Thanks for your insights. It isn't only about tuition. It's about minimal academic requirements to get into a school.
There was a kid who actually played here a very long time ago. His dad wanted him to go to Holy Cross in the worst way, but the school refused to bend in terms of the kid's academics. The coach there was a really good guy and once administration unequivocally shot him down, he called Jack Curran, and told him that this kid (who had attended Holy Cross' youth basketball camps) was a terrific player, but he couldn't get him into Cross. Curran replied, "Well, if he couldn't get into Cross, what makes you think he could get into Molloy?" The coach replied, "Cut the crap Jack. We both know you can get any kid into Molloy that you want, and I'm giving you a great player on a silver platter". The kid ended up at Molloy, was all city on one of their great championship teams, and eventually ended up at SJU.
....... Recruiting 4 and 5 star talent out of high school takes a lot of credibility and establishing long term relationships......[/quote]
The recent convictions of James Gatto, Adidas’s former head of global basketball marketing; Merl Code Jr., another former Adidas employee; and aspiring agent named Christian Dawkins seems to indicate that Louisville, UArizona and other top men’s basketball programs have indeed established long term relationships with more than jus high school basketball players.[/quote]
Is this the same James Gatto who had coached at Mater Christi HS? I was at the CHSAA championship game, in the late 1970s, when they beat Holy Cross, in overtime. That MC team was loaded with Division 1 talent, including Vern Fleming, Red Bruin and Tiny Smith. Wonder if the cheating was going on at that level.[/quote]
No[/quote]
Cheating? Depends what you call cheating. All i know is that without athletic scholarships, magically some of the best players from the projects wound up at private schools, some like Molloy and Holy Cross which were better academic schools[/quote]
I knew a number of teachers/coaches in the CHSAA during this period, and the cheating question was often a topic of conversation. Scholarships weren't offered outright, but there were questions re who was paying the tuition for certain players. The recruiting, pre AAU, used to involve a coach from a local Catholic school showing up at a CYO or Pop Warner game and talking to a player about attending their school. The players were usually one or two bus rides from the school. Things changed in the mid-seventies and you noticed players showing up from greater distances and more questions as to why certain kids were showing up at certain schools. It's probably fair to assume that most schools engaged in some "aggressive" recruiting, but some schools were more suspect than others. That Holy Cross team had all local kids, and two division one prospects, Mater Christi had four or five.[/quote]
Thanks for your insights. It isn't only about tuition. It's about minimal academic requirements to get into a school.
There was a kid who actually played here a very long time ago. His dad wanted him to go to Holy Cross in the worst way, but the school refused to bend in terms of the kid's academics. The coach there was a really good guy and once administration unequivocally shot him down, he called Jack Curran, and told him that this kid (who had attended Holy Cross' youth basketball camps) was a terrific player, but he couldn't get him into Cross. Curran replied, "Well, if he couldn't get into Cross, what makes you think he could get into Molloy?" The coach replied, "Cut the crap Jack. We both know you can get any kid into Molloy that you want, and I'm giving you a great player on a silver platter". The kid ended up at Molloy, was all city on one of their great championship teams, and eventually ended up at SJU.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300257][
Lol, i remember that austour meant australian tours. Doesn't matter and i don't care, but i do know Mullin was on campus this summer even as respected posters were saying he was in california, at the very same time Paul's son was interviewing him at sju. So there is just a ton of misinformation.
Don't get me wrong. Our staff has yet to prove they can produce a winning program, but this could be the year.[/quote]
Big difference between travel agent and destination marketer. Worked as Director of Distribution marketing for Australian government tourism office for many years when I acquired my first e-mail, ergo the screen name. Haven't booked a thing since the mid-80s.
Didn't say anything about Chris but if what you're saying applies to Mitch too that would be great. I'm guessing it doesn't.
And while one winning season would be nice, a long running period of success on all fronts would be nicer. That said I'm excited the season is starting tomorrow. Let's go!
Lol, i remember that austour meant australian tours. Doesn't matter and i don't care, but i do know Mullin was on campus this summer even as respected posters were saying he was in california, at the very same time Paul's son was interviewing him at sju. So there is just a ton of misinformation.
Don't get me wrong. Our staff has yet to prove they can produce a winning program, but this could be the year.[/quote]
Big difference between travel agent and destination marketer. Worked as Director of Distribution marketing for Australian government tourism office for many years when I acquired my first e-mail, ergo the screen name. Haven't booked a thing since the mid-80s.
Didn't say anything about Chris but if what you're saying applies to Mitch too that would be great. I'm guessing it doesn't.
And while one winning season would be nice, a long running period of success on all fronts would be nicer. That said I'm excited the season is starting tomorrow. Let's go!
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300273]
let me start my response by saying I f'ing hate you. ............ I have no clue how to respond to multiple posts so I wish Trump upon you for life
[/quote]
Can't do it on a flip phone
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300273]
That being said to be fair I was all for hiring Mitch. I loved the idea. Thought he would be awesome hire. Saw Mullins presser and loved things even more. Didnt think things would be the opposite. Am I happy with recruiting HS kids ? Hell no. I couldn't be more disappointed. But if someone wants to use the rationale that " is this the most talented paper on team since Jarvis " well I think they are right
Truth be told regardless of how things play out this season I can see potentially where next season is worse returning player wise than Lavin Sweatsuit * Jarvis
But who cares. This season I'm just hoping for the best[/quote]
I stand by my original feelings about both Chris and Mitch, that I would prefer they hired coaches to coach but let's enjoy this year.
let me start my response by saying I f'ing hate you. ............ I have no clue how to respond to multiple posts so I wish Trump upon you for life
[/quote]Can't do it on a flip phone
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300273]
That being said to be fair I was all for hiring Mitch. I loved the idea. Thought he would be awesome hire. Saw Mullins presser and loved things even more. Didnt think things would be the opposite. Am I happy with recruiting HS kids ? Hell no. I couldn't be more disappointed. But if someone wants to use the rationale that " is this the most talented paper on team since Jarvis " well I think they are right
Truth be told regardless of how things play out this season I can see potentially where next season is worse returning player wise than Lavin Sweatsuit * Jarvis
But who cares. This season I'm just hoping for the best[/quote]
I stand by my original feelings about both Chris and Mitch, that I would prefer they hired coaches to coach but let's enjoy this year.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="austour" post=300437][quote="Beast of the East" post=300257][
Lol, i remember that austour meant australian tours. Doesn't matter and i don't care, but i do know Mullin was on campus this summer even as respected posters were saying he was in california, at the very same time Paul's son was interviewing him at sju. So there is just a ton of misinformation.
Don't get me wrong. Our staff has yet to prove they can produce a winning program, but this could be the year.[/quote]
Big difference between travel agent and destination marketer. Worked as Director of Distribution marketing for Australian government tourism office for many years when I acquired my first e-mail, ergo the screen name. Haven't booked a thing since the mid-80s.
Didn't say anything about Chris but if what you're saying applies to Mitch too that would be great. I'm guessing it doesn't.
And while one winning season would be nice, a long running period of success on all fronts would be nicer. That said I'm excited the season is starting tomorrow. Let's go![/quote]
Hey, my intention wasn't to swipe at your career in travel. Obviously you've had some success and if memory serves me, you're an ivy league guy. Apologies if taken not as intended.
Lol, i remember that austour meant australian tours. Doesn't matter and i don't care, but i do know Mullin was on campus this summer even as respected posters were saying he was in california, at the very same time Paul's son was interviewing him at sju. So there is just a ton of misinformation.
Don't get me wrong. Our staff has yet to prove they can produce a winning program, but this could be the year.[/quote]
Big difference between travel agent and destination marketer. Worked as Director of Distribution marketing for Australian government tourism office for many years when I acquired my first e-mail, ergo the screen name. Haven't booked a thing since the mid-80s.
Didn't say anything about Chris but if what you're saying applies to Mitch too that would be great. I'm guessing it doesn't.
And while one winning season would be nice, a long running period of success on all fronts would be nicer. That said I'm excited the season is starting tomorrow. Let's go![/quote]
Hey, my intention wasn't to swipe at your career in travel. Obviously you've had some success and if memory serves me, you're an ivy league guy. Apologies if taken not as intended.
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300375][quote="JohnnyFan" post=300370]During Lavin's last two years, Main Man used troll all of us. He would simply post "I like Steve Lavin and think he has done some good things". This, alone, would provoke 8 pages of angry debate.
Has Mitch Richmond become the new lightening rod?[/quote] to be fair 4 of those 8 pages were you[/quote]
LOL......yes, true, that is very fair. :lol:
Has Mitch Richmond become the new lightening rod?[/quote] to be fair 4 of those 8 pages were you
[/quote]LOL......yes, true, that is very fair. :lol:
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[quote="austour" post=300441]Not to denigrate travel agents but really???
No offense taken.[/quote]
This is a pro travel board
But funny story. Since way back when we started arguing on R&P even though Austour and I are on maybe close to separate sides of the spectrum we agreed with our hatred of GWB so I liked him right away. Anyway we became friends on the board and then we finally meet years later on the UCLA trip when he finally tells me I've been spelling his screen name wrong on the boards since the beginning ( I was writing Austor )
I get these spelling mental blocks in my head. Anyway at least I humored myself with the story because anyone who knows me knows how bad I and with names and meeting people ( here it's easier and I might just refer to you by your screen name in public ) Beast and Austour luckily I know their names
No offense taken.[/quote]
This is a pro travel board
But funny story. Since way back when we started arguing on R&P even though Austour and I are on maybe close to separate sides of the spectrum we agreed with our hatred of GWB so I liked him right away. Anyway we became friends on the board and then we finally meet years later on the UCLA trip when he finally tells me I've been spelling his screen name wrong on the boards since the beginning ( I was writing Austor )
I get these spelling mental blocks in my head. Anyway at least I humored myself with the story because anyone who knows me knows how bad I and with names and meeting people ( here it's easier and I might just refer to you by your screen name in public ) Beast and Austour luckily I know their names
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=300496][quote="austour" post=300441]Not to denigrate travel agents but really???
No offense taken.[/quote]
This is a pro travel board
But funny story. Since way back when we started arguing on R&P even though Austour and I are on maybe close to separate sides of the spectrum we agreed with our hatred of GWB so I liked him right away. Anyway we became friends on the board and then we finally meet years later on the UCLA trip when he finally tells me I've been spelling his screen name wrong on the boards since the beginning ( I was writing Austor )
I get these spelling mental blocks in my head. Anyway at least I humored myself with the story because anyone who knows me knows how bad I and with names and meeting people ( here it's easier and I might just refer to you by your screen name in public ) Beast and Austour luckily I know their names[/quote]
You are one of the best people persons i know.
No offense taken.[/quote]
This is a pro travel board
But funny story. Since way back when we started arguing on R&P even though Austour and I are on maybe close to separate sides of the spectrum we agreed with our hatred of GWB so I liked him right away. Anyway we became friends on the board and then we finally meet years later on the UCLA trip when he finally tells me I've been spelling his screen name wrong on the boards since the beginning ( I was writing Austor )
I get these spelling mental blocks in my head. Anyway at least I humored myself with the story because anyone who knows me knows how bad I and with names and meeting people ( here it's easier and I might just refer to you by your screen name in public ) Beast and Austour luckily I know their names[/quote]
You are one of the best people persons i know.
The Mets were terrible in the 70's, Frank Cashen came in, took control and we had a winner shortly after. The Giants had almost 20 years of bad football, they hired George Young and shortly after had a winning team and championships. It starts at the top with direction and someone who knows their job. The hire of the Mike Cragg is hopefully the start of what we all want; a consistent, winning team.
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[quote="fan5577" post=300518]The Mets were terrible in the 70's, Frank Cashen came in, took control and we had a winner shortly after. The Giants had almost 20 years of bad football, they hired George Young and shortly after had a winning team and championships. It starts at the top with direction and someone who knows their job. The hire of the Mike Cragg is hopefully the start of what we all want; a consistent, winning team.[/quote]
The main difference being that Cashen as GM of the Orioles had built powerhouse teams before. An AD doesnt have the influence a GM has in terms of personnel, but i get your point about good hires. It remai s to be seen if Cragg will be a good AD, and I'm sure he is motivated by the opportunity to prove that.
The main difference being that Cashen as GM of the Orioles had built powerhouse teams before. An AD doesnt have the influence a GM has in terms of personnel, but i get your point about good hires. It remai s to be seen if Cragg will be a good AD, and I'm sure he is motivated by the opportunity to prove that.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300520][quote="fan5577" post=300518]The Mets were terrible in the 70's, Frank Cashen came in, took control and we had a winner shortly after. The Giants had almost 20 years of bad football, they hired George Young and shortly after had a winning team and championships. It starts at the top with direction and someone who knows their job. The hire of the Mike Cragg is hopefully the start of what we all want; a consistent, winning team.[/quote]
The main difference being that Cashen as GM of the Orioles had built powerhouse teams before. An AD doesnt have the influence a GM has in terms of personnel, but i get your point about good hires. It remai s to be seen if Cragg will be a good AD, and I'm sure he is motivated by the opportunity to prove that.[/quote]
And an AD can't trade for other teams' stars (like Cashen did for Hernandez and Carter) and he/she can't draft players based on their potential, with the draftee's only option not to sign with that team is to sit out another year and hope for the best. Not at all like college sports, where the best typically want to play for perennial winners, can pick & choose from a slew of offers, and where giving money and "gifts" under the table is often more the rule than the exception.
The main difference being that Cashen as GM of the Orioles had built powerhouse teams before. An AD doesnt have the influence a GM has in terms of personnel, but i get your point about good hires. It remai s to be seen if Cragg will be a good AD, and I'm sure he is motivated by the opportunity to prove that.[/quote]
And an AD can't trade for other teams' stars (like Cashen did for Hernandez and Carter) and he/she can't draft players based on their potential, with the draftee's only option not to sign with that team is to sit out another year and hope for the best. Not at all like college sports, where the best typically want to play for perennial winners, can pick & choose from a slew of offers, and where giving money and "gifts" under the table is often more the rule than the exception.
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