[quote="Boo Harvey" post=396151][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396145][quote="Paul Massell" post=396139][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396136][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396114][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396113]Harvey correctly states that we are not allowed to ever criticize coaches under any circumstance on here it seems until we wait 3 years minimum. Not one of us said he loves kicking puppies but it's as if we did with the responses. Only one side is angry and it's not ours. Why do so many get so angry over us rightfully criticizing over recruiting? This is a fan forum...we can pretend all we like that everything is great but facts are facts. Pundits don't expect anything from us anymore. Right now we simply suck at recruiting. Don't give me the "it's impossible to recruit here" shtick. Lavin and Mullin proved it's wrong. Lavin had a 5* Jordan and got so many 4* kids he couldn't even find enough PT for all of them. Mullin (Matt A) got 4* Ponds, 5* Simon, 4* Clark, 4* Lovett.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics
at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
Haha...what an awful comparison. You guys are complaining (incessantly) about a guys recruiting after 15 months on the job, after being unable to finish his first season here and recruit in person due to a pandemic, and you somehow equate that to people saying its time to go in a different direction after giving a guy 4 or 5 years to show what he can do?? Talk about hypocrisy...
Make you a deal. Shut up about this nonsense for the first 4 years of his tenure and you can be as loud as you want in year 5 if he's not winning games and getting us to the post season on regular basis. Deal?
