Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=396128]Is he not good at recruiting or is the system that hes married to turning the kids away? I cant see these kids not wanting to play for the coach/man mike anderson. I can see them saying, “I dont want to run like hell and play full court d for the next 4 years. And have to share the ball on offense and not be showcased.”
I guess it doesnt matter cause he will never change the system.[/quote]
Mike is a rock solid man. He is a strong disciplinarian and will insist that kids study hard, work hard, play hard. It's his way or the highway, and his isn't a run and gun fill a stat sheet with points system.
If we win, kids will not care one bit that they aren't averaging 20 ppg. They will get national attention, and guys who play both ends of the court are valued.
Kids who are using to having their butts kissed by HS coaches, AAU coaches, and everyone telling them how great they are going to find that CMA is a tough disciplinarian, will want them to play his way, is realistic, but gives his kids plenty of care and protection and cover, Parents should love a kid playing for CMA, but he isn't going to promise the world just to get a kid to commit here.
If I was a salesman selling CMA, I'd sign up for that in a second. He's the real deal as a coach and person.
Pretty much covers it.
I guess it doesnt matter cause he will never change the system.[/quote]
Mike is a rock solid man. He is a strong disciplinarian and will insist that kids study hard, work hard, play hard. It's his way or the highway, and his isn't a run and gun fill a stat sheet with points system.
If we win, kids will not care one bit that they aren't averaging 20 ppg. They will get national attention, and guys who play both ends of the court are valued.
Kids who are using to having their butts kissed by HS coaches, AAU coaches, and everyone telling them how great they are going to find that CMA is a tough disciplinarian, will want them to play his way, is realistic, but gives his kids plenty of care and protection and cover, Parents should love a kid playing for CMA, but he isn't going to promise the world just to get a kid to commit here.
If I was a salesman selling CMA, I'd sign up for that in a second. He's the real deal as a coach and person.
Pretty much covers it.
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JohnnyFever
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[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396114][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396113]Harvey correctly states that we are not allowed to ever criticize coaches under any circumstance on here it seems until we wait 3 years minimum. Not one of us said he loves kicking puppies but it's as if we did with the responses. Only one side is angry and it's not ours. Why do so many get so angry over us rightfully criticizing over recruiting? This is a fan forum...we can pretend all we like that everything is great but facts are facts. Pundits don't expect anything from us anymore. Right now we simply suck at recruiting. Don't give me the "it's impossible to recruit here" shtick. Lavin and Mullin proved it's wrong. Lavin had a 5* Jordan and got so many 4* kids he couldn't even find enough PT for all of them. Mullin (Matt A) got 4* Ponds, 5* Simon, 4* Clark, 4* Lovett.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.
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Some thread ephemera.
The phonetic for "Stalin's five year plan" is piatiletka.
Chicken vs. egg coming first is no longer a conundrum. The creature that laid the first egg that became a chicken was not a chicken. There was a mutation in the egg that produced a more viable creature that supplanted the creature that laid it and that new creature was a chicken.
The phonetic for "Stalin's five year plan" is piatiletka.
Chicken vs. egg coming first is no longer a conundrum. The creature that laid the first egg that became a chicken was not a chicken. There was a mutation in the egg that produced a more viable creature that supplanted the creature that laid it and that new creature was a chicken.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=396136][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396114][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396113]Harvey correctly states that we are not allowed to ever criticize coaches under any circumstance on here it seems until we wait 3 years minimum. Not one of us said he loves kicking puppies but it's as if we did with the responses. Only one side is angry and it's not ours. Why do so many get so angry over us rightfully criticizing over recruiting? This is a fan forum...we can pretend all we like that everything is great but facts are facts. Pundits don't expect anything from us anymore. Right now we simply suck at recruiting. Don't give me the "it's impossible to recruit here" shtick. Lavin and Mullin proved it's wrong. Lavin had a 5* Jordan and got so many 4* kids he couldn't even find enough PT for all of them. Mullin (Matt A) got 4* Ponds, 5* Simon, 4* Clark, 4* Lovett.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.
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[quote="fuchsia" post=396138]Some thread ephemera.
The phonetic for "Stalin's five year plan" is piatiletka.
Chicken vs. egg coming first is no longer a conundrum. The creature that laid the first egg that became a chicken was not a chicken. There was a mutation in the egg that produced a more viable creature that supplanted the creature that laid it and that new creature was a chicken.[/quote]
This Thread...no, the entire Board...maybe the Country(!)...needs clarity like that. Thank you, fuchsia!
The phonetic for "Stalin's five year plan" is piatiletka.
Chicken vs. egg coming first is no longer a conundrum. The creature that laid the first egg that became a chicken was not a chicken. There was a mutation in the egg that produced a more viable creature that supplanted the creature that laid it and that new creature was a chicken.[/quote]
This Thread...no, the entire Board...maybe the Country(!)...needs clarity like that. Thank you, fuchsia!
OMG Mike Z is the Antifa of redmen.com From someone who does not chatter much on the board I will say the constant criticizum is tedious. This staff has beaten the bushes more than any prior staff. I love to come in and see a bit about the kids and any news. I understand the approach as you have to be in it to win it and we offer to pipe dream, not very likely, heavy competition to achievable. At least we do not feel that the effort is not there. The issue is truly as Paul stated about 1/2 a page to a page in it becomes the same bitch fest, Why are we even on this kid, this kid is too low this kid is too high, as stated we have heard it 1ooo times May I suggest a CMA recruiting thread and move these conversations there and let us who really want information on the kids and their progress and status remain about the kids. JMHO
PharmDJohnnie11
Member
[quote="Paul Massell" post=396139][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396136][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396114][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396113]Harvey correctly states that we are not allowed to ever criticize coaches under any circumstance on here it seems until we wait 3 years minimum. Not one of us said he loves kicking puppies but it's as if we did with the responses. Only one side is angry and it's not ours. Why do so many get so angry over us rightfully criticizing over recruiting? This is a fan forum...we can pretend all we like that everything is great but facts are facts. Pundits don't expect anything from us anymore. Right now we simply suck at recruiting. Don't give me the "it's impossible to recruit here" shtick. Lavin and Mullin proved it's wrong. Lavin had a 5* Jordan and got so many 4* kids he couldn't even find enough PT for all of them. Mullin (Matt A) got 4* Ponds, 5* Simon, 4* Clark, 4* Lovett.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.
[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396145][quote="Paul Massell" post=396139][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396136][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396114][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396113]Harvey correctly states that we are not allowed to ever criticize coaches under any circumstance on here it seems until we wait 3 years minimum. Not one of us said he loves kicking puppies but it's as if we did with the responses. Only one side is angry and it's not ours. Why do so many get so angry over us rightfully criticizing over recruiting? This is a fan forum...we can pretend all we like that everything is great but facts are facts. Pundits don't expect anything from us anymore. Right now we simply suck at recruiting. Don't give me the "it's impossible to recruit here" shtick. Lavin and Mullin proved it's wrong. Lavin had a 5* Jordan and got so many 4* kids he couldn't even find enough PT for all of them. Mullin (Matt A) got 4* Ponds, 5* Simon, 4* Clark, 4* Lovett.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
I think and hope you'll be 100% wrong about that, PharmaD.
Even if CMA never recruits a 4* the next 3 years, he'll have SJU a 20+ game winner, and 'dancing' by that time because he's a damned good coach and a great mentor and developer of young men's talents--both personal and professional.
Plus, he'll bring in some 4*s, knowing they'll become better players CMA, being coached by Coach Anderson, and his dedicated and talented Staff.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
I think and hope you'll be 100% wrong about that, PharmaD.
Even if CMA never recruits a 4* the next 3 years, he'll have SJU a 20+ game winner, and 'dancing' by that time because he's a damned good coach and a great mentor and developer of young men's talents--both personal and professional.
Plus, he'll bring in some 4*s, knowing they'll become better players CMA, being coached by Coach Anderson, and his dedicated and talented Staff.
[quote="johnsliva" post=396144]OMG Mike Z is the Antifa of redmen.com From someone who does not chatter much on the board I will say the constant criticizum is tedious. This staff has beaten the bushes more than any prior staff. I love to come in and see a bit about the kids and any news. I understand the approach as you have to be in it to win it and we offer to pipe dream, not very likely, heavy competition to achievable. At least we do not feel that the effort is not there. The issue is truly as Paul stated about 1/2 a page to a page in it becomes the same bitch fest, Why are we even on this kid, this kid is too low this kid is too high, as stated we have heard it 1ooo times May I suggest a CMA recruiting thread and move these conversations there and let us who really want information on the kids and their progress and status remain about the kids. JMHO[/quote]
I'd say more like QAnon, but okay. Lol.
I'd say more like QAnon, but okay. Lol.
[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396145]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
Makes sense if you actually read it and consider what was said. But again you are talking about coaching/recruiting, in response. So a total straw man response that gets nowhere. You did not listen to what was actually said. What I said was not in criticism of opinions but of incessant spamming of and hijacking of, and then claiming to be a victim of "this board" when it upsets people.
Then further hijacking a thread to complain is a problem. You get that? Stay on topic. Don't spam the board. Don't hijack threads and if you have a problem, contact me or a moderator. Don't waste people's time so they have to wade through this nonsense.
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
Makes sense if you actually read it and consider what was said. But again you are talking about coaching/recruiting, in response. So a total straw man response that gets nowhere. You did not listen to what was actually said. What I said was not in criticism of opinions but of incessant spamming of and hijacking of, and then claiming to be a victim of "this board" when it upsets people.
Then further hijacking a thread to complain is a problem. You get that? Stay on topic. Don't spam the board. Don't hijack threads and if you have a problem, contact me or a moderator. Don't waste people's time so they have to wade through this nonsense.
boo haarvey
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[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396145][quote="Paul Massell" post=396139][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396136][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=396114][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396113]Harvey correctly states that we are not allowed to ever criticize coaches under any circumstance on here it seems until we wait 3 years minimum. Not one of us said he loves kicking puppies but it's as if we did with the responses. Only one side is angry and it's not ours. Why do so many get so angry over us rightfully criticizing over recruiting? This is a fan forum...we can pretend all we like that everything is great but facts are facts. Pundits don't expect anything from us anymore. Right now we simply suck at recruiting. Don't give me the "it's impossible to recruit here" shtick. Lavin and Mullin proved it's wrong. Lavin had a 5* Jordan and got so many 4* kids he couldn't even find enough PT for all of them. Mullin (Matt A) got 4* Ponds, 5* Simon, 4* Clark, 4* Lovett.
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up!
No one was ever asking for 5* kids so not sure why that was brought up. All I'd ask for is the bare minimum in the Big East for every other team. Mostly 3* guys surrounded by the occasional stud 4* recruit or two. That's it. That's what every other program in our conference gets regularly if not better. There are about 3 or 4 of us willing to admit this and about 20 others essentially telling us to shut up and pretend it's not a real problem. An Arkansas fan just said this has been a big concern for much of his career. Obviously all of us want him to succeed badly. But if you can't recruit you can't compete seriously in a league this tough. Simple as that. He will have plenty of chances to shut us up, but for now in this moment, we are right.
If what so many are saying was true about recruit rankings not mattering, Rivals and all those sites would not be functioning. Why would they exist? Why would pundits discuss it so much? Why would the best teams want the 4-5 star players? If it truly didn't matter there would be zero attention given to it.[/quote]
It is very frustrating having to feel like a pariah on this board just for pointing out the obvious. I don't know if people actually think the few of us who voiced our concerns about the CMA era, so far, are rooting against him, or have something against CMA personally because we don't. I'd like nothing more than for him to be successful here, but I can almost guarantee you he won't be if the recruiting doesn't pick up big time.[/quote]
Yup...been feeling that way exactly for years and it's not a victim complex, it's factual. This board has always been 95% you better not dare question any coach no matter who it is since I've been here. Even when there's real evidence to support your opinion. Even after 3 yrs some still furiously defend the indefensible. Under Lavin he got off to an amazing start and we were all crazy positive. Getting amazing recruits but unfortunately not developing them and ultimately being known as the team that always underperformed became frustrating. When Mullin got Ponds we all loved it. The problem is we've never had a full coach.
What I mean by that is, Lavin was a recruiter not a coach and CMA appears at least right now to be a coach and not a recruiter. If Lavin and Anderson had a baby, they'd be a complete coach. The salesman and recruiting ability of Lavin paired with the coaching and development of CMA. That's what it takes to succeed consistently in the Big East. If he cannot recruit well here, we're in trouble and that should be obvious. The recruiting rankings just came out and we are at the bottom. Not 3rd, 4th, 5th. Bottom. I'm not furious about that. I don't let it keep me up at night. I know it's just basketball at the end of the day, but you're just wrong if you think recruiting at the current level can get us anywhere. The 5% were right about Lavin and Mullin. And it's not about being right for its own sake. It's about seeing the red flags and voicing concerns. Imagine being on a ship seeing water pour in a huge hole but 95% laugh and say it's not happening. When there's a real problem you need to be able to state it without being attacked from all sides.[/quote]
Here's the problem Brandon. You don't listen. People have expressed to you for years that they respect your opinion and in many cases agree with it. But you've been asked and asked and asked not to repost the same thing a thousand times and hijack/cross-post threads. And in your case 1,000 times is not an exaggeration. Even in this thread if you actually read what people have said to you A) they have a legitimate right to disagree with you. That is not being "attacked from all sides" as long as it is civil, it is called discourse. It is a two way street. You have opinions. Other people have opinions too. Their opinions are not a conspiracy to keep you down.
B-) Much of it is not about the coach but again, repeating the same thing over and over.
Then when people get frustrated and critical, yes you go into victim status and it is not factual. That is in your head. If you were objective, you would acknowledge that you've been given more latitude on this site than just about anyone, ever and you've used this site free of charge for many years while criticizing it many, many times but you keep coming back. Not just by the moderators but by all the members who wade through your posts. To be clear and unambiguous you are spamming "this board" when you post the same thing over and over and over and cross post the same thing across multiple threads.
Then when you go into victim mode it is extremely tedious. Spamming the board is not only bad etiquette and globally acknowledged as forbidden across the Internet on every site or service, it is just disrespectful to everyone. It is highly hypocritical to get on your victim high horse when you have no respect for everyone else here who has to plow through your infinite stream of consciousness posts that say nothing new. You are more victimizer than victim. I can factually attest to that by all of the people who have complained to me about you specifically. They don't like their time wasted and they don't deserve it. They just respect the board and don't take everyone else's time trying to make a cause of it publicly. Give it a rest. Say your piece move on. You want to argue about recruiting say your piece. Move on. Don't turn it into a criticism of "this board"
So you can get back on your high horse and say Paul victimized you or you can be grateful and act like a decent person and not waste any more time on this nonsense.[/quote]
Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. He only started bringing up what we’ve been harping on after it became clear that, yet again, we were out on another (ONLY 3 STARS GUYS NOT 5) recruit. I think it’s a pretty relevant point to bring up.
If the news was that we were in really good shape with said recruit and the majority of fanboys hijacked the thread saying what a great job CMA was doing there would be no problem and you know it.
Only reason it’s an issue is because it’s an opinion that a lot disagree with right now, but will most likely all be in total agreement in 3 years from now.[/quote]
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up!
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=396151]
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
So your problem is with people not allowing you to criticize coaches but it is also because the people that most vocally criticize coaches, criticize you?
Pretty tangled web. Just stop the bullshit and we'll be fine. This is just more nonsense. You've been posting here for years. You are negative in 99% of your posts (real figure). Yet you haven't been cancelled or shut up. I am wondering if you see the hypocrisy and blatant contradictions?
But no more. It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted. Several serious individuals take their time to keep the board organized. It is topic specific so that if a member wants to read about Adlen Applwhite, for example that is what they are reading. Not your misery. Not your complaints. Not anyone's repetitive posts saying the some thing an infinite number of times. Don't post any more complaints or "fight the man" posts in the public forums. Period. If you have a problem, as I said take it up with me directly or a moderator.
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
So your problem is with people not allowing you to criticize coaches but it is also because the people that most vocally criticize coaches, criticize you?
Pretty tangled web. Just stop the bullshit and we'll be fine. This is just more nonsense. You've been posting here for years. You are negative in 99% of your posts (real figure). Yet you haven't been cancelled or shut up. I am wondering if you see the hypocrisy and blatant contradictions?
But no more. It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted. Several serious individuals take their time to keep the board organized. It is topic specific so that if a member wants to read about Adlen Applwhite, for example that is what they are reading. Not your misery. Not your complaints. Not anyone's repetitive posts saying the some thing an infinite number of times. Don't post any more complaints or "fight the man" posts in the public forums. Period. If you have a problem, as I said take it up with me directly or a moderator.
[quote="L J S A" post=396152][quote="Boo Harvey" post=396151]You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
Pretty sure if you piss off the guy who runs the site with what he just said amounts to spamming the board, you will indeed be shut up.[/quote]
You mean the guy who owns the site and funds the site?
Pretty sure if you piss off the guy who runs the site with what he just said amounts to spamming the board, you will indeed be shut up.[/quote]
You mean the guy who owns the site and funds the site?
L J S A
Well-known member
[quote="austour" post=396156][quote="L J S A" post=396152][quote="Boo Harvey" post=396151]You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
Pretty sure if you piss off the guy who runs the site with what he just said amounts to spamming the board, you will indeed be shut up.[/quote]
You mean the guy who owns the site and funds the site?[/quote]
Yes, should have phrased it that way for the handful who still won't get it.
Pretty sure if you piss off the guy who runs the site with what he just said amounts to spamming the board, you will indeed be shut up.[/quote]
You mean the guy who owns the site and funds the site?[/quote]
Yes, should have phrased it that way for the handful who still won't get it.
boo haarvey
Active member
[quote="Paul Massell" post=396154][quote="Boo Harvey" post=396151]
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
So your problem is with people not allowing you to criticize coaches but it is also because the people that most vocally criticize coaches, criticize you?
Pretty tangled web. It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted stop the bullshit and we'll be fine. This is just more nonsense. You've been posting here for years. You are negative in 99% of your posts (real figure). Yet you haven't been cancelled or shut up. I am wondering if you see the hypocrisy and blatant contradictions?
But no more. It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted. Several serious individuals take their time to keep the board organized. It is topic specific so that if a member wants to read about Adlen Applwhite, for example that is what they are reading. Not your misery. Not your complaints. Not anyone's repetitive posts saying the some thing an infinite number of times. Don't post any more complaints or "fight the man" posts in the public forums. Period. If you have a problem, as I said take it up with me directly or a moderator.[/quote]
(1) So your problem is with people not allowing you to criticize coaches but it is also because the people that most vocally criticize coaches, criticize you?
Huh? I’ve read this several times and have no idea what you’re trying to say. I’m not sure if it’s bc the sentence is poorly constructed or it’s the utter lack of logic. It’s like trying to make sense of the syllogism : All animals have four legs, a dog is an animal, and therefore a dog has three legs. It just doesn’t logically follow.
(2) You've been posting here for years. You are negative in 99% of your posts (real figure). Yet you haven't been cancelled or shut up.
I’m impressed that you were able to categorize all of my posts throughout the years with such precision. I guess you have a lot of time on your hands with the pandemic.
Let’s assume you’re correct and my posts are typically not full of sunshine and roses. So what? Suffice it to say there hasn’t exactly been a lot to be positive about the last 20 years or so. But more importantly, despite your pretense about fighting to preserve the “courtesy” and organization of the Board, the fact that you’ve gone out of your way to chronicle my purported negativity demonstrates that your true gripe is with the content of my posts not their relevance or frequency.
You conclusorily posit that I haven’t been “cancelled” or “shut up,” presumably because I’ve been posting for a long time. Several sentences later you instruct me not to “post any more complaints or "fight the man" posts in the public forums.” Do you have enough self-awareness to comprehend that you’re doing exactly what you disclaim?
(3) It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted.
Polluting the board? Wasting time? Discourteous? Do you actually read the posts on this board my friend? There’s a f***ing entire thread dedicated to lobster rolls. Enough with the righteous indignation about your precious time being wasted. I post sporadically. It’s only when you and your cronies attack me that I get riled up and respond. Indeed, I was attacked the first time I dared to criticize CMA’s recruiting or lack thereof. Look back at all the negative repetitive posts during the last year of the Lavin and Mullin eras — several of which personally attacked these representatives of our school. Where was your righteous indignation then?
(4) Several serious individuals take their time to keep the board organized. It is topic specific so that if a member wants to read about Adlen Applwhite, for example that is what they are reading.
Could you even write this with a straight face? If so, I’m impressed. I suggest you re-read the posts on this message board. They go off on all kinds of crazy tangents that have no relation to the topic and I don’t see you complaining. Voicing concern about recruiting on a thread that relates to recruitment is more on topic than 90 percent of the posts on here. And If you do decide to re-read the posts, I suggest you pay careful attention to mine. They are well thought out and far from “discourteous.” The only time I get riled up is when I’m responding to personal attacks like yours.
I’ll conclude with this. It’s no accident that the handful of us who dared to voice our concerns with the status of recruiting to date have all expressed the identical sentiment that a number of posters have attempted to “cancel” us. Perhaps there is a correlation between expressing concerns about the current regime’s recruiting and having a persecution complex. Or maybe, just maybe, there is some validity to our feelings.
At the end of the day, as you and your friends have not so subtly pointed out, I don’t run this Board and you can shut me and others up. With that said, I’m not sure how interesting this Board will be without dissenting voices. I’m all too aware, however, that there are those who just like to engage with others who reinforce their views and beliefs. Perhaps you are one of those.
But if you are truly concerned with maintaining the organization and courtesy of the Board as you claim, I suggest you refrain from bullying, threatening or attacking. You’ll find that there will be far fewer posts to distract you and waste your precious time.
Many of the sanctimonious, hypocritical posters on here who criticize us for our “repetitive” posts were the loudest and most vocal critics at the end of the Roberts, Lavin, and Mullin tenures.
As you correctly point out, it’s not where we post or how often, it’s the content that bothers them. It is classic “cancel culture.” Unfortunately, many people in our country today seem incapable of listening to opinions they don’t agree with. Instead, they attempt to marginalize the speaker or attack then personally.
Even on a message board where we’re all passionate fans of the same school. It’s a sad state. If our posts bother you, don’t read them or respond! You’re not going to shut us up![/quote]
So your problem is with people not allowing you to criticize coaches but it is also because the people that most vocally criticize coaches, criticize you?
Pretty tangled web. It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted stop the bullshit and we'll be fine. This is just more nonsense. You've been posting here for years. You are negative in 99% of your posts (real figure). Yet you haven't been cancelled or shut up. I am wondering if you see the hypocrisy and blatant contradictions?
But no more. It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted. Several serious individuals take their time to keep the board organized. It is topic specific so that if a member wants to read about Adlen Applwhite, for example that is what they are reading. Not your misery. Not your complaints. Not anyone's repetitive posts saying the some thing an infinite number of times. Don't post any more complaints or "fight the man" posts in the public forums. Period. If you have a problem, as I said take it up with me directly or a moderator.[/quote]
(1) So your problem is with people not allowing you to criticize coaches but it is also because the people that most vocally criticize coaches, criticize you?
Huh? I’ve read this several times and have no idea what you’re trying to say. I’m not sure if it’s bc the sentence is poorly constructed or it’s the utter lack of logic. It’s like trying to make sense of the syllogism : All animals have four legs, a dog is an animal, and therefore a dog has three legs. It just doesn’t logically follow.
(2) You've been posting here for years. You are negative in 99% of your posts (real figure). Yet you haven't been cancelled or shut up.
I’m impressed that you were able to categorize all of my posts throughout the years with such precision. I guess you have a lot of time on your hands with the pandemic.
Let’s assume you’re correct and my posts are typically not full of sunshine and roses. So what? Suffice it to say there hasn’t exactly been a lot to be positive about the last 20 years or so. But more importantly, despite your pretense about fighting to preserve the “courtesy” and organization of the Board, the fact that you’ve gone out of your way to chronicle my purported negativity demonstrates that your true gripe is with the content of my posts not their relevance or frequency.
You conclusorily posit that I haven’t been “cancelled” or “shut up,” presumably because I’ve been posting for a long time. Several sentences later you instruct me not to “post any more complaints or "fight the man" posts in the public forums.” Do you have enough self-awareness to comprehend that you’re doing exactly what you disclaim?
(3) It is not about opinions or cancel culture. It is about polluting the board and being discourteous to everyone else who doesn't want their time wasted.
Polluting the board? Wasting time? Discourteous? Do you actually read the posts on this board my friend? There’s a f***ing entire thread dedicated to lobster rolls. Enough with the righteous indignation about your precious time being wasted. I post sporadically. It’s only when you and your cronies attack me that I get riled up and respond. Indeed, I was attacked the first time I dared to criticize CMA’s recruiting or lack thereof. Look back at all the negative repetitive posts during the last year of the Lavin and Mullin eras — several of which personally attacked these representatives of our school. Where was your righteous indignation then?
(4) Several serious individuals take their time to keep the board organized. It is topic specific so that if a member wants to read about Adlen Applwhite, for example that is what they are reading.
Could you even write this with a straight face? If so, I’m impressed. I suggest you re-read the posts on this message board. They go off on all kinds of crazy tangents that have no relation to the topic and I don’t see you complaining. Voicing concern about recruiting on a thread that relates to recruitment is more on topic than 90 percent of the posts on here. And If you do decide to re-read the posts, I suggest you pay careful attention to mine. They are well thought out and far from “discourteous.” The only time I get riled up is when I’m responding to personal attacks like yours.
I’ll conclude with this. It’s no accident that the handful of us who dared to voice our concerns with the status of recruiting to date have all expressed the identical sentiment that a number of posters have attempted to “cancel” us. Perhaps there is a correlation between expressing concerns about the current regime’s recruiting and having a persecution complex. Or maybe, just maybe, there is some validity to our feelings.
At the end of the day, as you and your friends have not so subtly pointed out, I don’t run this Board and you can shut me and others up. With that said, I’m not sure how interesting this Board will be without dissenting voices. I’m all too aware, however, that there are those who just like to engage with others who reinforce their views and beliefs. Perhaps you are one of those.
But if you are truly concerned with maintaining the organization and courtesy of the Board as you claim, I suggest you refrain from bullying, threatening or attacking. You’ll find that there will be far fewer posts to distract you and waste your precious time.
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