Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

[RedStormNC]

In retrospect to Pitino, there was little negative publicity about his return.  Perhaps a bit more if he came to bigger conference & St. John's, but given where we are i think it still would have passed in a few days before people move on.

I like like Anderson, and think he deserves more time. Way too soon to call for his exit.  Can't make chicken salad out of chicken crap.   I'd like to see him continue to make inroads with some of the top local programs as he's started. 

Don't know if he'll get to his Arkansas potential but we're starting from such a low base that he needs a lot of  time.  At least 2 more years to see if there is a light at end of tunnel. 

 

 

[TheArtest15]

Can we please stop witht he Pitino paying players nonsense. If he were to come here he wouldnt be paying players. He would have been here 5-7 years max and I totally believe that he would have changed the culture and made our program a desitination for a good coach tot ake over after him. Thats the biggest thing I saw in hiring him. Yeah he would be successful in turning us around but he would make coachoing at St. John's appealing again and not a dead end job. Thats the major problem we have here right now. Every coach we bring in comes here to basically end or ruin their career. See: Every coach weve had in the past 20 something years. 

 

[TheArtest15]

Finally a lot of you are waking up and seeing some of the shortcomings with CMA since coming here. Listen, this is a what have you done for me lately business. Yeah he has good track record (although I think he is kind of overrated who does well out of conference and struggles a lot in conference), but his track record means nothing to be as soon as he starts coaching games for my team. He has proven that his player rotations are mind boggling and he does not run a proper half court offense and plays for specific players to get their open looks. I feel that the game has changed so much since Nolan Richardsons 40 minutes of hell and the system is antiquated in todays game. 

If you look at that barstool article on him it states that he is 1-12 ont he road in Big east games. That is embarassingly bad. If he is such a great coach that is shameful and alarming. I think most of us can agree that this system right now isnt even enjoyable to watch. We have a bunch of role players with one solid player in champagnie. 

The facts are the facts, we dont have great talent and dont have any difference makers on the way.

 

[Anthony Mattia]

A few facts

1)Mike Anderson is a solid coach if not a good one.  With a good track record.  It is also true he was fired at Arkansas for not simply not winning enough.

2)He is not getting fired anytime soon nor should he.  Not this year not next year either for that matter.

3)If SJU is going to reach a level that Lavin promised (but did not deliver on) then recruiting needs to be taken to a much higher level.  Or quite frankly we are not even going to reach the Lavin level.  Remember for all the "bad basketball" we were told we played under Lavin he won 20 games 3 times in 5 years and went to 2 NCAA's and 2 NIT's in that time period.  And I think he underachieved.  Guys we are not even CLOSE to that level.  Think about that.

4)If we are going to do an autopsy on recent SJU coaching searches first thing is SJU screwed up in 2015 in retrospect.  The man they should have hired was Danny Hurley of Rhode Island.  Major league f up.  And if people are going to demand imediate results then the answer in 2019 was to hire Rick Pitino.  This is not an endorsement of that hire (althought I was personally in favor of it).  He would have come with baggage no doubt but that was the answer if you wanted a quick turnaround.  One of the 3-4 greatest coaches of his generation who could win 20 games with 5 walk ons and 3 cheerleaders was available when under normal circumstances he would never be available for SJU.  But look they chose a different path.  And it is certainly understandable.  But again if you wanted a quick fix that was the ONE guy who could do it.

Great post Fordham
 

 

[fordham96]

Can we please stop witht he Pitino paying players nonsense. If he were to come here he wouldnt be paying players. He would have been here 5-7 years max and I totally believe that he would have changed the culture and made our program a desitination for a good coach tot ake over after him. Thats the biggest thing I saw in hiring him. Yeah he would be successful in turning us around but he would make coachoing at St. John's appealing again and not a dead end job. Thats the major problem we have here right now. Every coach we bring in comes here to basically end or ruin their career. See: Every coach weve had in the past 20 something years. 

This. It is one of the dumbest arguments, right that's why Iona hired him because they want to pay players.  That is such a low class ignorant thing to say...
 

 

[usguard]

Think if he was that good,coach would have had him here by now

 

[Alumni Hall]

He is a solid/maybe above average coach IMO. Having a winning record can be attributed to his scheduling of weaker teams in his out of conference schedule. If your so inclined , look closely at his OOC schedules in his time at Ark and compare/decide.
what is different? We're his asst coaches better there? Is his style of play not suitable for Big East teams? It seems that his healter skelter 40 mins of hell has not disrupted the teams in the Big East.We know the facilities are no where what he had at Ark and that hurts recruiting. 
who knows what they saw in Toro, a backup/role player at a bottom of an A10 school. We need them to bring in guys from established high level D1 Programs that actually played and are looking to make a change, Branch, Simon, Clark type players. Stop with JUCO players that again, their stats in JC are not translating to D1 Big East talent. 

 

[ras]

Regrettably, the probability is his winning record streak will come to an end this year,

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Coach Anderson likely will not be fired . He is 63 years old and has a 5 year deal . Next year is number 3 . There is some consensus that next years Team will not be much better , even with the current crop of Recruits coming in . Of course , a top notch transfer or 5 th year player could affect that measurably . CMA is good for St John's in many ways besides the on Court results . Although , allCoaches  must Win . He's a respected Coach among peers , his track record proves that ..  If the Team doesn't improve next year, the situation changes . At 64 years old , will he want to stay here as the Losing continues ? Making it , more his decision rather than the School , to Retire . And , who could blame him .  We are seeing and have seen for a lot of years that we just don't get a lot of highly rated players that want to come here . It's the why, we don't seem to have the Answers for . And , that's not just CMA . Mullin got Ponds , Simon , Clark . Ponds was legit top level player . He proved  that . Simon and Clark came from Arizona and Michigan State . They transferred because they weren't going to be major factors for those 2 Schools . They got to play here and were good , not great players . For now, we got Toro as a 5 th year player and Moore and Cole as Jucos . All 3 are Role Players in the BE . Not program changers . Posh is a 4 tool player now . He's missing , not being 6'3"" tall and a reliable and dangerous  jumper . He will improve hopefully . Wusu is raw . We don't know his potential yet . All up , at this point are we making great progress towards being a mid tier BE team ?  The jury is out on that .  

 

[redmannorth]

Coach Anderson just turned 61 , not 63 , and to think even remotely that he is in danger of being fired is just ridiculous. He will be here for the entire length of his contract unless he decides to leave, which I would be shocked if he did since CMA is anything but a quitter.  

 

[Alumni Hall]

Finally a lot of you are waking up and seeing some of the shortcomings with CMA since coming here. Listen, this is a what have you done for me lately business. Yeah he has good track record (although I think he is kind of overrated who does well out of conference and struggles a lot in conference), but his track record means nothing to be as soon as he starts coaching games for my team. He has proven that his player rotations are mind boggling and he does not run a proper half court offense and plays for specific players to get their open looks. I feel that the game has changed so much since Nolan Richardsons 40 minutes of hell and the system is antiquated in 
If you look at that barstool article on him it states that he is 1-12 ont he road in Big east games. That is embarassingly bad. If he is such a great coach that is shameful and alarming. I think most of us can agree that this system right now isnt even enjoyable to watch. We have a bunch of role players with one solid player in champagnie. 

The facts are the facts, we dont have great talent and dont have any difference makers on the way.

Excellent post and observations!

 

 

[boo haarvey]

Right now, Posh is undersized  pg with a below average handle and a poor jump shot.  He tends to make bad decisions and is foul prone.  I see some potential in him, but I wouldn't call him a steal at this point.  He plays like a theee star recruit.

 

[otis]

In answer to the question I posed above in this thread as to which, if any StJ's players would start on a majority of Big East teams, I believe that at this point in his career Posh would not start on many, if any other Big East team.  

That being said Posh is a perfect fit for CMA's fast pased up and down tempo.  He is an positive assett to this team.  I am glad that he is in a Johnny's uniform but I do not believe that he was an under the radar recruit.  Jay Wright, Ed Cooley, Greg McDermott, Dave Leitao, Patrick Ewing, Travis Steele, Steve  Wojciechowski, and others all knew who Posh was but chose not to recruit him.  

Not trying to dis Posh but I don't buy the spin that at this point he is anything better than a 3^ plsyer.  I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Moon Mullen]

Finally a lot of you are waking up and seeing some of the shortcomings with CMA since coming here. Listen, this is a what have you done for me lately business. Yeah he has good track record (although I think he is kind of overrated who does well out of conference and struggles a lot in conference), but his track record means nothing to be as soon as he starts coaching games for my team. He has proven that his player rotations are mind boggling and he does not run a proper half court offense and plays for specific players to get their open looks. I feel that the game has changed so much since Nolan Richardsons 40 minutes of hell and the system is antiquated in 
If you look at that barstool article on him it states that he is 1-12 ont he road in Big east games. That is embarassingly bad. If he is such a great coach that is shameful and alarming. I think most of us can agree that this system right now isnt even enjoyable to watch. We have a bunch of role players with one solid player in champagnie. 

The facts are the facts, we dont have great talent and dont have any difference makers on the way.

Excellent post and observations!

I could 't agree more

 

[room112]

Finally a lot of you are waking up and seeing some of the shortcomings with CMA since coming here. Listen, this is a what have you done for me lately business. Yeah he has good track record (although I think he is kind of overrated who does well out of conference and struggles a lot in conference), but his track record means nothing to be as soon as he starts coaching games for my team. He has proven that his player rotations are mind boggling and he does not run a proper half court offense and plays for specific players to get their open looks. I feel that the game has changed so much since Nolan Richardsons 40 minutes of hell and the system is antiquated in 
If you look at that barstool article on him it states that he is 1-12 ont he road in Big east games. That is embarassingly bad. If he is such a great coach that is shameful and alarming. I think most of us can agree that this system right now isnt even enjoyable to watch. We have a bunch of role players with one solid player in champagnie. 

The facts are the facts, we dont have great talent and dont have any difference makers on the way.

Excellent post and observations!

I could 't agree more

Hard to argue with some of those points, but just imagine, literally no coach wanted to come here last coaching search when we fired Mullin. I'm not going to bring up Pitino because he was not clearly considered. So what does that tell us about the state of the program as a whole? At this point, I'm not even sure who we would realistically be able to bring in here that would turn this progrm around. Every year is another year further from any semblence of recent success we've had. It's now been 20+ years since our last NCAA tourney win. 

 

[Alumni Hall]

Finally a lot of you are waking up and seeing some of the shortcomings with CMA since coming here. Listen, this is a what have you done for me lately business. Yeah he has good track record (although I think he is kind of overrated who does well out of conference and struggles a lot in conference), but his track record means nothing to be as soon as he starts coaching games for my team. He has proven that his player rotations are mind boggling and he does not run a proper half court offense and plays for specific players to get their open looks. I feel that the game has changed so much since Nolan Richardsons 40 minutes of hell and the system is antiquated in 
If you look at that barstool article on him it states that he is 1-12 ont he road in Big east games. That is embarassingly bad. If he is such a great coach that is shameful and alarming. I think most of us can agree that this system right now isnt even enjoyable to watch. We have a bunch of role players with one solid player in champagnie. 

The facts are the facts, we dont have great talent and dont have any difference makers on the way.

Excellent post and observations!

I could 't agree more

Hard to argue with some of those points, but just imagine, literally no coach wanted to come here last coaching search when we fired Mullin. I'm not going to bring up Pitino because he was not clearly considered. So what does that tell us about the state of the program as a whole? At this point, I'm not even sure who we would realistically be able to bring in here that would turn this progrm around. Every year is another year further from any semblence of recent success we've had. It's now been 20+ years since our last NCAA tourney win. 

Dont hold your breath
 

 

[ras]

In answer to the question I posed above in this thread as to which, if any StJ's players would start on a majority of Big East teams, I believe that at this point in his career Posh would not start on many, if any other Big East team.  

That being said Posh is a perfect fit for CMA's fast pased up and down tempo.  He is an positive assett to this team.  I am glad that he is in a Johnny's uniform but I do not believe that he was an under the radar recruit.  Jay Wright, Ed Cooley, Greg McDermott, Dave Leitao, Patrick Ewing, Travis Steele, Steve  Wojciechowski, and others all knew who Posh was but chose not to recruit him.  

Not trying to dis Posh but I don't buy the spin that at this point he is anything better than a 3^ plsyer.  I hope he proves me wrong. 

Posh will get there , he is only a Frosh. The problem is talent. The only real BE caliber starter this year is Champ

 

 

[monte]

In answer to the question I posed above in this thread as to which, if any StJ's players would start on a majority of Big East teams, I believe that at this point in his career Posh would not start on many, if any other Big East team.  

That being said Posh is a perfect fit for CMA's fast pased up and down tempo.  He is an positive assett to this team.  I am glad that he is in a Johnny's uniform but I do not believe that he was an under the radar recruit.  Jay Wright, Ed Cooley, Greg McDermott, Dave Leitao, Patrick Ewing, Travis Steele, Steve  Wojciechowski, and others all knew who Posh was but chose not to recruit him.  

Not trying to dis Posh but I don't buy the spin that at this point he is anything better than a 3^ plsyer.  I hope he proves me wrong.

The idea, oft promoted on this board, that CMA and his staff have  some sort of magical insight in to lower ranked kids that none of the other high D1 coaches have, is one of the most ridiculous things that I've ever heard. And I've heard a lot. Posh is playing exactly as you would expect from a 3 star/top 150 kid. He was ranked right around where he should have been, in spite of what some of our delusional fan base thought. On a decent team he would be coming off the bench and would be brought along slowly. We obviously don't have that luxury. I do think he'll be a good-very good PG with more experience and when he's surrounded by better talent.  CMA cracked the top 25 two of is eight years at Arkansas. and that was with some top 100 kids. We will not sniff the top 25 with the  level of talent that he has been recruiting, and  we will most likely not get a significantly higher level of talent till we start to sniff the top 25.     Boy do I wish we had a Matt A type recruiter on the staff . 

 

[Mean Gene]

look at Pikiell's record his first three years at Rutgers. Let's see how all this plays out. Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big Ten Conference) (2016–present)2016–17Rutgers15–183–1514th 2017–18Rutgers15–193–1514th 2018–19Rutgers14–177–13T–10th 2019–20Rutgers20–1111–9T–5thNCAA Division I Canceled2020–21Rutgers7–13–1

 

[boo haarvey]

look at Pikiell's record his first three years at Rutgers. Let's see how all this plays out. Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big Ten Conference) (2016–present)2016–17Rutgers15–183–1514th 2017–18Rutgers15–193–1514th 2018–19Rutgers14–177–13T–10th 2019–20Rutgers20–1111–9T–5thNCAA Division I Canceled2020–21Rutgers7–13–1

There are always anomalies, but most coaches who have three bad years end up getting fired.  Agree that an ace recruiter would help.  For those in the know, any chance CMA would make a switch with his staff?