Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

usguard" post=410733 said:
No matter how you slice it,if we are going to move up in confr ,we need higher ranked players.unfortunately I am it sure the coach or staff are capable on landing this level talent  Coach deserves at lease this season and next,if he comes up short then let the neg talking begin

They've already come up short on talent this year and next .  Unless something totally unexpected happens, we will be picked to finish near the bottom of the league next year as well.  Does anybody really disagree at this point? 
 
Probably not it's just mo we need to have this yr and next yr play out. You never know what happens we may get  a high level transfer next yr lol
 
Thank you for sharing those unique and incisive insights - it is good to know that there are folks here who think that signing highly ranked recruits is the path to success. Never heard that before on this site.  
 
I disagree with the idea thats its all about recruiting "big names"...I see a team of fine young athletes that are going to get better as the season progresses...there are a couple of players that really have to get their heads and priorities straight...but I think coach is dealing with and will makes tough decisions when needed....We are on our way up and Coach Anderson is building a culture and a standard of expectations for our program....Go St. Johns@
 
johnny redman" post=410768 said:
I disagree with the idea thats its all about recruiting "big names"...I see a team of fine young athletes that are going to get better as the season progresses...there are a couple of players that really have to get their heads and priorities straight...but I think coach is dealing with and will makes tough decisions when needed....We are on our way up and Coach Anderson is building a culture and a standard of expectations for our program....Go St. Johns@

Well, we've been pretty awful so far so getting better is not a particularly high bar.
 
Boo Harvey" post=410771 said:
johnny redman" post=410768 said:
I disagree with the idea thats its all about recruiting "big names"...I see a team of fine young athletes that are going to get better as the season progresses...there are a couple of players that really have to get their heads and priorities straight...but I think coach is dealing with and will makes tough decisions when needed....We are on our way up and Coach Anderson is building a culture and a standard of expectations for our program....Go St. Johns@

Well, we've been pretty awful so far so getting better is not a particularly high bar.

Well BH, you make many good points however
"getting better" is a noble goal for SJU in 2020 Anno Domini
we need to get better before we can get good or very good - 
again, it's been a mere 20 months since April 2018 - we heard a lot about infrastructure in 2016-2020 
Infrastructure (anything of considerable complexity such as raising kids or building a career affording a house) does not improve overnight.
Do you doubt that Coach Anderson and his motivated staff (and motivated AD)  are building and re-establishing long rusted and broken recruiting pipelines? Long crumbled image of our program?

Our HC AD and staff are winners and have something to prove AT St. Johns. I will continue to trust them at this early state in their process. Some posters may believe they know more thn our staff, I bow to their wisdom and experience.

And there's another idea that came to me for those on the critique, raising problems and deficiencies side ofthe equation:
Who the hell would you want to coach this team and run our sports programs than Mike A and Mike C. ???
What better solution(s) exist to being patient with Mike Anderson and the diretion he has the program headed?

It is easier to critique than to solve or improve!

Anyway

Most (if not all) of we posters (all of whom are good guys and gals) have the same goal - for St. Johns to gather Ws -and 3-4 starranked reruits -  enough (subjective)  of them each year!!!
All the best to you and yours in 2021!


 
 
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Zach piece excerpt

Mixing in several new key players, such as freshman point guard Posh Alexander and junior college transfers Isaih Moore and Vince Cole, hasn’t gone as smoothly as some may have expected. St. John’s enters Saturday’s game against DePaul second-to-last in the Big East in points allowed per game (80.3) and field-goal percentage defense (48.9), and last in 3-point percentage defense (39.6), numbers well below what last year’s team produced on the defensive end.“More than anything, I’m looking for consistency in how we play and our guys play,” Anderson said. “I still believe we got to get better defensively for 40 minutes. We’re good for 20, 25 minutes. You’re not just going to outscore people. I’m just looking for consistency from guys who start out to guys who come off the bench.”

https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/st-johns-is-hoping-break-was-just-what-it-needed/
 
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Think your bring optimistic,would br nice just hope we are not destined  to wind up in last place when the season ends
 
I'm beginning to wonder if there is too much Norm Roberts in CMA.  Nice, quality human being.  But I'm not so sure about his coaching.  He needs in game help.  I don't understand if he thinks there is a monetary cost to using time outs or not.
 
Paultzman" post=410934 said:
Zach piece excerpt

Mixing in several new key players, such as freshman point guard Posh Alexander and junior college transfers Isaih Moore and Vince Cole, hasn’t gone as smoothly as some may have expected. St. John’s enters Saturday’s game against DePaul second-to-last in the Big East in points allowed per game (80.3) and field-goal percentage defense (48.9), and last in 3-point percentage defense (39.6), numbers well below what last year’s team produced on the defensive end.“More than anything, I’m looking for consistency in how we play and our guys play,” Anderson said. “I still believe we got to get better defensively for 40 minutes. We’re good for 20, 25 minutes. You’re not just going to outscore people. I’m just looking for consistency from guys who start out to guys who come off the bench.”

https://nypost.com/2021/01/01/st-johns-is-hoping-break-was-just-what-it-needed/
Well, we got those numbers down tonight.  

Classic sign of a bad team though.  We'll lose any which way you can.
 
Knight" post=411542 said:
I'm beginning to wonder if there is too much Norm Roberts in CMA.  Nice, quality human being.  But I'm not so sure about his coaching.  He needs in game help.  I don't understand if he thinks there is a monetary cost to using time outs or not.
I think we're the only major conference school in America, in the 21st century, that has hired a coach after he was fired by another school for not being good enough (as opposed to moral or NCAA issues).  Well, Depaul with Dave Leito, but I guess that probably tells you everything you need to know.

The scary part is, we've gone that route twice.  The even scarier part is, that I don't think we could have done reasonably better, either time. 

The program is flawed.  Unless the perfect coaching candidate drops in our lap, it always will be, in this day and age, at a place like St. John's.  Heck, even if he did, he's probably gone for greener pastures after 3 or 4 years.
 
 
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This program could hire Phil Jackson as coach and we would be no better.  Our failure is in the recruiting dept we are losing games because the ball doesn’t go into the basket.  Somehow program has to figure out why overall recruiting under every coach sucked.  
 
Even players that are 4*&5* players need to have a coach that can navigate the in game strategy.  This season we've seen the failure to use time-outs, line-change substituting, lack of positioning for rebounds, poor spacing on offense, failure to set screens, and generally inconsistent play.
Let's hope CMA and staff can address these and other shortcomings.
 
Knight" post=411591 said:
Even players that are 4*&5* players need to have a coach that can navigate the in game strategy.  This season we've seen the failure to use time-outs, line-change substituting, lack of positioning for rebounds, poor spacing on offense, failure to set screens, and generally inconsistent play.
Let's hope CMA and staff can address these and other shortcomings.
 
I'm pretty sure that after 40 years in the game Coach Anderson understands boxing out, offensive spacing, and screens.  I would agree that he is not a master tactician but let's not make it out that he's completely incompetent - that's just ridiculous.

Right now the problems are that:

1.  He's giving major minutes to a freshman point guard, which is going about the way you'd expect it to go for a freshman point guard.  It seems to me that he's clearly decided to take his lumps with it to get the kid experience, which is a rational decision if you are thinking in terms of a long-term plan.  Of course, we just want to see wins right now.

2.  He's trying to mix in a roster of 2 freshmen, 2 JUCO transfers, a grad transfer, a redshirt freshman, and 4 returning players.  If you were just starting the 4 returning players that would be one thing, but that isn't what's happening.  All on top of a season where there wasn't a normal off-season, there wasn't a normal slate of pre-league games, and the league schedule is also AFU.

3.  There isn't a legitimate big man on the team which has caused problems in every game we've played.  You end up with Moore trying to defend someone who weighs twice as much as he does and/or you have to help a ton in the post which creates open shots from 3 or for cutters.

I'm not saying that I have no criticism of the coaching.  I don't know why we can't or don't run plays to get Champagnie or Cole open shots coming off a screen, for example.  Many other adjustments are needed.  But to some extent I think Anderson would be entilted to a Jim Mora moment here and go with "you think I coach that sh*t???"
 
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Boo Harvey" post=410771 said:
johnny redman" post=410768 said:
I disagree with the idea thats its all about recruiting "big names"...I see a team of fine young athletes that are going to get better as the season progresses...there are a couple of players that really have to get their heads and priorities straight...but I think coach is dealing with and will makes tough decisions when needed....We are on our way up and Coach Anderson is building a culture and a standard of expectations for our program....Go St. Johns@

Well, we've been pretty awful so far so getting better is not a particularly high bar.

Well BH, you make many good points however
"getting better" is a noble goal for SJU in 2020 Anno Domini
we need to get better before we can get good or very good - 
again, it's been a mere 20 months since April 2018 - we heard a lot about infrastructure in 2016-2020 
Infrastructure (anything of considerable complexity such as raising kids or building a career affording a house) does not improve overnight.
Do you doubt that Coach Anderson and his motivated staff (and motivated AD)  are building and re-establishing long rusted and broken recruiting pipelines? Long crumbled image of our program?

Our HC AD and staff are winners and have something to prove AT St. Johns. I will continue to trust them at this early state in their process. Some posters may believe they know more thn our staff, I bow to their wisdom and experience.

And there's another idea that came to me for those on the critique, raising problems and deficiencies side ofthe equation:
Who the hell would you want to coach this team and run our sports programs than Mike A and Mike C. ???
What better solution(s) exist to being patient with Mike Anderson and the diretion he has the program headed?

It is easier to critique than to solve or improve!

Anyway

Most (if not all) of we posters (all of whom are good guys and gals) have the same goal - for St. Johns to gather Ws -and 3-4 starranked reruits -  enough (subjective)  of them each year!!!
All the best to you and yours in 2021!



 


Rick Barnes
 
The problem is pretty simple.  

The St. John's roster lacks sufficient talent to win many Big East Conference games.

What StJohn's player, other than Champanie would start on a majority of other Big East teams ?  Answer: no one.

What StJohn's players, other than Champanie would get substantial minutes as a non starter on a majority of the top tier Big East teams ?  Answer: not many, if any.
 
Otis , your comments are realistic . Even if we as fans don't want to acknowledge that .. Posh , as a freshman PG with his skills and reputation would likely get minutes elsewhere . He has potential to be very good . It's been said , he might have played injured last night . And , he was off his game . The one thing that is suspect about him , is will he ever improve his shooting to a extent that teams play him for that and not lay off?  . Daring him to shoot . It was a problem that Simon had and was the chink in Justin's game . It never got better .  Yes , our Core talent is below most other BE Teams . Denying that , is what us fans do . But , we try to grasp on every straw anyway .  I did forget Williams . Overlooked him . He has BE talent and could play for nearly all other BE teams . He might not get a lot of minutes because he's a up and down player . Can be exceptional one game and barely contribute in another . But , he's got game. Maybe he needs to become more assertive .  Who knows ?  I agree with a prior poster that Cole is slow and his handle and passing are weak . He has a shot but , needs to have help getting it . No explosive first step or on defense . A role player in the BE . 
 
otis" post=411613 said:
The problem is pretty simple.  

The St. John's roster lacks sufficient talent to win many Big East Conference games.

What StJohn's player, other than Champanie would start on a majority of other Big East teams ?  Answer: no one.

What StJohn's players, other than Champanie would get substantial minutes as a non starter on a majority of the top tier Big East teams ?  Answer: not many, if any.

I have literally been saying this for weeks and months you do understand that.

I even said take SJU's first 8 players and take Nova's first 8 players.  Forget about starting how many players in SJU's first 8 could crack Nova's top 8.  Maybe Julian, maybe.  Forget about starting.

I just don't understand why anyone thought this team was going to do much better than they are doing.  But my favorite of all time is "We have the most depth we have had in years..."  What?  No SJU has 12 scholarship players and that is nice but that does not mean depth in any way shape or form.

 
 
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