Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

[quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398759][quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.[/quote]

I think the right way to look at it is improving his efficiency overall. Dunn came in late last year and was great for us. Honing his game is the next step with a year under his belt at this level. Being a more efficient player should improve his shooting and hopefully he’s worked on all aspects. Going to the hike is going to stilll be the most important part of his game for us because as evidence from last year, almost nobody could stop him from doing so. I have to add that Posh is also similarly u stoppable going to the hole which should add another element for us.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398759][quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.[/quote]

I actually don't think Dunn is a bad shooter. He just doesn't WANT to shoot with his feet set. There are multiple occasions when he's had the shot and his feet are set and you can see that he just doesn't want to shoot it. Then he gets the ball on the move and he shoots from the exact same spot. He may not be a world-beater as a spot-up shooter, but he has to become more comfortable taking the open shot when it's there, even if he's standing still.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=398761][quote="Monte" post=398759][quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.[/quote]

I actually don't think Dunn is a bad shooter. He just doesn't WANT to shoot with his feet set. There are multiple occasions when he's had the shot and his feet are set and you can see that he just doesn't want to shoot it. Then he gets the ball on the move and he shoots from the exact same spot. He may not be a world-beater as a spot-up shooter, but he has to become more comfortable taking the open shot when it's there, even if he's standing still.[/quote]

I know exactly what you mean. Usually his hesitation comes after a few misses. Clearly he looses confidence in his shot quickly after a few misses. It's almost as if he can hear(in his head) a defender saying "go ahead, I dare you". I think it's more mental then anything. Do we have a team shrink? lol.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=398723][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

Good to put LJ’s 20 foot floaters in rear view mirror. :)[/quote]

Steve Hamilton.
 
Look, I like Dunn, and I like Earlington, and I like Caraher, and a few others. They put in solid efforts last season in a very surprising way. But to temper the enthusiasm a bit, there a huge difference having some very nice moments on a 5-13 conference team, and being a mighty contributor to an 11-7 NCAA team.

While the expectation for these guys to be important contributors have been raised a notch, I'll reserve judgment until 7 point losses become 7 point wins consistently.

Not very harsh sounding I hope. I think CMA while giving guys his confidence, would think the same. . Last year was a pleasant surprise for a team that could have struggled to win 2 games. This year 6-14 won't cut it, nor will 8-12. This team has got to win more, and it appears we will.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=398764][quote="Paultzman" post=398723][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

Good to put LJ’s 20 foot floaters in rear view mirror. :)[/quote]

Steve Hamilton.[/quote]

That's some "folly" right there
 
[quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

His career best was 28%. I tend to agree that he's not going to become great at it, but hitting 1 out of 3 isn't good. Its average. You can make marginal improvements if you work on it, get stronger, and if you make better decisions when it comes to shot selection.

There's no reason a guy who shoots 75% from the charity stripe can't improve his shooting from 20' by working hard at it.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398759][quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.[/quote]

Exactly.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=398760][quote="Monte" post=398759][quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.[/quote]

I think the right way to look at it is improving his efficiency overall. Dunn came in late last year and was great for us. Honing his game is the next step with a year under his belt at this level. Being a more efficient player should improve his shooting and hopefully he’s worked on all aspects. Going to the hike is going to stilll be the most important part of his game for us because as evidence from last year, almost nobody could stop him from doing so. I have to add that Posh is also similarly u stoppable going to the hole which should add another element for us.[/quote]

Just imagine how much more effective the drive becomes if he can consistently knock down the J? I'm sure Dunn and the staff see exactly what we see. Dunn seems like a very smart, mature and determined young man. I'm sure he's spent time in the off season working on these and all aspects of his game. I hope and expect that we'll see an even better player this season.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398776][quote="MCNPA" post=398760][quote="Monte" post=398759][quote="Matty Hoops" post=398757][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.[/quote]

He doesn't need to become a very good outside shooter, just a better one. One that opposing teams can't leave wide open. If he does that, it opens up the court for him and others. I think he can get there. He's got good form. He needs to set himself before he shoots, and not rush his shot.[/quote]

I think the right way to look at it is improving his efficiency overall. Dunn came in late last year and was great for us. Honing his game is the next step with a year under his belt at this level. Being a more efficient player should improve his shooting and hopefully he’s worked on all aspects. Going to the hike is going to stilll be the most important part of his game for us because as evidence from last year, almost nobody could stop him from doing so. I have to add that Posh is also similarly u stoppable going to the hole which should add another element for us.[/quote]

Just imagine how much more effective the drive becomes if he can consistently knock down the J? I'm sure Dunn and the staff see exactly what we see. Dunn seems like a very smart, mature and determined young man. I'm sure he's spent time in the off season working on these and all aspects of his game. I hope and expect that we'll see an even better player this season.[/quote]

Agree totally. Dunn had to do a lot of different things on the teams he’s been on. He doesn’t have bad form at all. It’s just learning to make the right move, setting it up right and popping the shot and knowing when to take it . As a senior, it’s really something that isn’t unattainable. Just some gym work to be able to recognize the open shot and slow things down a bit. The kid is a put bull otherwise.
 
[quote="gman" post=398700][quote="MCNPA" post=398697][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=398695]People really would rather have CMA over Bobby Hurley lololol? Homerism at it's finest.[/quote]

Homerism? Hurley is only 10 years younger than CMA and has 248 wins less than CMA as well as a significantly lower winning percentage. Hurley also has 3 NCAA tourney appearances compared to CMA’s 18 and hasn’t made it past the first round, once not making it past the first 4. Maybe you’re extrapolating out what you think he’s gonna do, but he’s done little of substance coaching-wise thus far. He’s built a good team this year. Not saying he’s not going to do nice things but he’s not some 28 year old rising star. His coaching record can’t hold Mike Anderson’s jock at this point, even in what’s been a weak PAC-12. Hurley’s appeal is mostly grounded in projected success and upside at this point. He’s got a ways to go to show he can win consistently and advance.[/quote]

Marcus that is a flawed argument. You can’t compare a longer body of work to a short body of work. Hurley is off to a fine start in his career and has a top 15 team at the moment. You can come back in 10 years and then compare their first 15 or so years of coaching, but until then the absolute number of wins and NCAA appearances is apples and oranges.[/quote]
He is off to a fine start - not a great start ...CMA was 89-41 after 4 years...took over a Missouri program that was the dregs and won 31 games in his 3rd year there. That’s pretty impressive and a fair basis for comparison. Nobody is running down Hurley. But he isn’t the king yet and CMA doesn’t take a back seat .
 
[quote="Section3" post=398779][quote="gman" post=398700][quote="MCNPA" post=398697][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=398695]People really would rather have CMA over Bobby Hurley lololol? Homerism at it's finest.[/quote]

Homerism? Hurley is only 10 years younger than CMA and has 248 wins less than CMA as well as a significantly lower winning percentage. Hurley also has 3 NCAA tourney appearances compared to CMA’s 18 and hasn’t made it past the first round, once not making it past the first 4. Maybe you’re extrapolating out what you think he’s gonna do, but he’s done little of substance coaching-wise thus far. He’s built a good team this year. Not saying he’s not going to do nice things but he’s not some 28 year old rising star. His coaching record can’t hold Mike Anderson’s jock at this point, even in what’s been a weak PAC-12. Hurley’s appeal is mostly grounded in projected success and upside at this point. He’s got a ways to go to show he can win consistently and advance.[/quote]

Marcus that is a flawed argument. You can’t compare a longer body of work to a short body of work. Hurley is off to a fine start in his career and has a top 15 team at the moment. You can come back in 10 years and then compare their first 15 or so years of coaching, but until then the absolute number of wins and NCAA appearances is apples and oranges.[/quote]
He is off to a fine start - not a great start ...CMA was 89-41 after 4 years...took over a Missouri program that was the dregs and won 31 games in his 3rd year there. That’s pretty impressive and a fair basis for comparison. Nobody is running down Hurley. But he isn’t the king yet and CMA doesn’t take a back seat .[/quote]

Thank you. If his name wasn’t Hurley, SJU fans wouldn’t be quite as enamored.
 
Another appearance in this morning's practice video of powerfully built, mysterious #34 covering Posh on a jumper. Guess he is a walk on?
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=398882]Another appearance in this morning's practice video of powerfully built, mysterious #34 covering Posh on a jumper. Guess he is a walk on?[/quote]
Maybe he's from the football team. :silly:
 
If he can give us a Phil Missere contribution he will help the big man rotation off the bench if needed.
 
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