Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

I agree with the idea that Hurley is the better recruiter while Anderson is the better coach (at the moment)

To be fair to Anderson, it's much easier for Hurley to recruit at Arizona State. Have people been there? It's pretty fantastic and I believe they've gotten another huge upgrade since I was on campus 6 or 7 years ago. That's not taking anything away from Hurley who I think is a very good recruiter anyway. I just don't know that he'd be pulling in top 20 guys at St. John's.

I think Anderson is the better coach by far at this point. If Hurley had St. John's roster last season, we'd have done worse. To be fair to Hurley though, CMA has coached for a much longer time and has his system more in place. He's experienced managing more rosters and planned for more opponents. So in the same way I think it's unfair to compare Anderson's recruiting to Hurley's because of the built in advantages at Arizona State, it's also not quite fair to write Hurley off as the worse coach due to Anderson having significantly more experience.

So while I think Anderson is a perfect fit for us at this time in the program's journey, I also would have been pleased with Hurley and can respect thinking he'd have been the better get even if I disagree. As long as we get behind the guy who is actually here which it seems like people are doing for the most part. I always enjoy these hypothetical debates. I recently had a text debate with a couple buddies over which Hurley brother they prefer as a coach and I was the only Bobby supporter out of 4 of us. Oh well.
 
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Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Negative much? The two players who regressed last year were (a) injured and (b) not Anderson's recruits.

Maybe you're just not used to having a coach and staff that actually develop players. That would be understandable given the last quarter-century of SJU coaching, but not really applicable now. I fully expect to see improvement from every player on the roster.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=398735][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Negative much? The two players who regressed last year were (a) injured and (b) not Anderson's recruits.

Maybe you're just not used to having a coach and staff that actually develop players. That would be understandable given the last quarter-century of SJU coaching, but not really applicable now. I fully expect to see improvement from every player on the roster.[/quote]

Way to cherry pick my posts to suit your argument. I'm as high on this team as anyone, and I hope you're right and I'm wrong counselor, but it's very rare that every player on a team takes a step forward. And I don't care if that team is coached by CMA or the ghost of John Wooden.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.
 
Thanks for the posts and insights. From a distance - especially in contrast with the past 20 years - it’s “ all good “ and promising. I often hear there’s depth, aggressive defense, ample scoring options/possibilities.
And the kids are good young people and motivated. Quality
We shall see but I like the direction Mike Anderson and Mike Cragg have us headed.
Blessings
 
[quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings
 
[quote="Monte" post=398739][quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings[/quote]

I believe Moose was agreeing with you.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398739][quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings[/quote]

Uh???
I'm thanking you because I agree.
 
[quote="Moose" post=398741][quote="Monte" post=398739][quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings[/quote]

Uh???
I'm thanking you because I agree.[/quote]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.
 
[quote="Monte" post=398742]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.[/quote]

you didn't hurt my feelings either. B) - appreciated your clarification.
 
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=398743][quote="Monte" post=398742]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.[/quote]

you didn't hurt my feelings either. B) - appreciated your clarification.[/quote]

I feel much better now. Love the kumbaya moment :cheer:
 
[quote="Monte" post=398742][quote="Moose" post=398741][quote="Monte" post=398739][quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings[/quote]

Uh???
I'm thanking you because I agree.[/quote]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.[/quote]

A fair assumption... ;)
 
[quote="Monte" post=398744][quote="lawmanfan" post=398743][quote="Monte" post=398742]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.[/quote]

you didn't hurt my feelings either. B) - appreciated your clarification.[/quote]

I feel much better now. Love the kumbaya moment :cheer:[/quote]
Tennis anyone? ;) :)
 
Bobby Hurley
135–89 (.603)

Mike Anderson
386-215 (.642)


I think Hurley has some work to do.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=398745][quote="Monte" post=398742][quote="Moose" post=398741][quote="Monte" post=398739][quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings[/quote]

Uh???
I'm thanking you because I agree.[/quote]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.[/quote]

A fair assumption... ;)[/quote]

I have seen Moose be nice, well once :)

 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=398745][quote="Monte" post=398742][quote="Moose" post=398741][quote="Monte" post=398739][quote="Moose" post=398737][quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this.[/quote]

sorry if I hurt your feelings[/quote]

Uh???
I'm thanking you because I agree.[/quote]

Sorry Moose, my bad. Thought you were being sarcastic.[/quote]

A fair assumption... ;)[/quote]

Shut up
 
[quote="Monte" post=398734]Odds are that one or more of our returning players will either not take a step forward, or will actually regress. Keep in mind that our 2 best players going to last season were both projected all big-east players, and both underachieved. So as excited as I am about the coming season, I'll continue to temper expectations till I see the kids on the court. Especially the newcomers.[/quote]

I agree with you too but I think that given the depth, and the fact that CMA has shown he plays no favorites (Fig sat for extended periods multiple times last year), we have to hope that when someone under performs the next guy up fills the vacuum. This looks like it's going to have to be a capital T team and that seems to fit with CMA's coaching style.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

He's not going to be a 35% 3 pt shooter. He needs to get better at what he does well and not make mistakes. The realistic key to Dunn's improvement is decision making and playing under control, not miraculously becoming a good shooter.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=398723][quote="SJUFAN2" post=398720][quote="lawmanfan" post=398717]IMHO Dunn's development need coming into this season was to have another couple of tools in his tool kit other than "drive to the basket and score or get fouled." He needs to develop confidence in shooting with his feet set (which he HATES to do, he's a playground player and is only happy when he's on the move) and he needs to add the "kick" element to "drive and kick" - I can't remember seeing him penetrate and dish to the corner once all year last year.

As discussed on the starting lineup thread, this team has great depth, much better size and balance than we've had in basically forever, but needs to find scoring options. I think it's going to be a group effort. Suspect Cole will probably be our most consistent points leader but after that it may very well be a rotating case of Champagnie, Williams, Earlington, and Dunn.

If it works and we can score enough points to go along with what I expect will be a ridiculously disruptive defense now that we are basically 13 deep and Anderson can press and run for 40 minutes, it's an NCAA year. If we can't find enough offense, it will be a bottom-half of the league year - which could still make them a bubble team depending on whether it's the top or the bottom of the bottom half.[/quote]

I agree. If Dunn can improve his outside shooting to the point he's a 35% 3 point shooter (constantly knocking down open 3's) he's a weapon and could be among the better PG's in the league at the end of the season.

I love the idea of not having the scoring load carried by one or two guys. The ball keeps moving and we are harder to defend. Just need guys who can execute when given the open shot.

We don't need guys taking bad shots just because they feel like they need to score 20 for us to win. Figgy was a terrific player, but in 45 years following this team, I've never seen a player take so many horrifically bad shots.[/quote]

Good to put LJ’s 20 foot floaters in rear view mirror. :)[/quote]

I dunno, I think we have one year off. Pinzon loves long floaters too... ;-)
 
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