Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I agree that we did try the flashy hires and they did not work. That's a fact. I'm just saying it helps sell tix and makes your brand more recognizable. [/quote]

This is NY. People only show up if you win. Most of the fans that pack MSG when we are good couldn't tell you the names of half our players, let alone where they were ranked by recruiting services.
 
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=398604][quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I agree that we did try the flashy hires and they did not work. That's a fact. I'm just saying it helps sell tix and makes your brand more recognizable. [/quote]

This is NY. People only show up if you win. Most of the fans that pack MSG when we are good couldn't tell you the names of half our players, let alone where they were ranked by recruiting services.[/quote]

To add. Sit at a SJU game and talk about recruits and such and most people will look at you like you're talking a foreign language.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I CMA was our best bet after the first wave of candidates turned us down. nference. So I don't think it's crazy to have some reservations..[/quote]

CMA was the best choice INCLUDING the first wave of candidates. Cluess would have been a fine choice at half the pricetag, but Anderson over Moser and Hurley by a mile.
 
Paultz, why get us in a tizzy then?! Haha...I signed on just now, figured that was the Champ bros and got excited! You just thought it was a cute pic? Lol
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=398612][quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I CMA was our best bet after the first wave of candidates turned us down. nference. So I don't think it's crazy to have some reservations..[/quote]

CMA was the best choice INCLUDING the first wave of candidates. Cluess would have been a fine choice at half the pricetag, but Anderson over Moser and Hurley by a mile.[/quote]

Silly to say Hurley would not be better hire IMO. You can appreciate CMA right now but also admit that. Most college hoops fans would laugh at that. Hurley has been a great recruiter at ASU and they have owned us. They will very likely be ranked this year they're a legit top 25 team. This is the thing about our fanbase...many get carried away after any sign of a solid but not great season and imply they already proved they will return us to greatness. Let's see CMA get us to the tourney before crowning him after 1 NIT year. If he's a legit coach, he should get us further than last year and we have a bubble type season with better conference performance. Much more talent this year and much deeper.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398623][quote="Beast of the East" post=398612][quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I CMA was our best bet after the first wave of candidates turned us down. nference. So I don't think it's crazy to have some reservations..[/quote]CMA was the best choice INCLUDING the first wave of candidates. Cluess would have been a fine choice at half the pricetag, but Anderson over Moser and Hurley by a mile.[/quote]Silly to say Hurley would not be better hire IMO. You can appreciate CMA right now but also admit that. Most college hoops fans would laugh at that. Hurley has been a great recruiter at ASU and they have owned us. They will very likely be ranked this year they're a legit top 25 team. This is the thing about our fanbase...many get carried away after any sign of a solid but not great season and imply they already proved they will return us to greatness. Let's see CMA get us to the tourney before crowning him after 1 NIT year. If he's a legit coach, he should get us further than last year and we have a bubble type season with better conference performance. Much more talent this year and much deeper.[/quote]
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398623][quote="Beast of the East" post=398612][quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I CMA was our best bet after the first wave of candidates turned us down. nference. So I don't think it's crazy to have some reservations..[/quote]

CMA was the best choice INCLUDING the first wave of candidates. Cluess would have been a fine choice at half the pricetag, but Anderson over Moser and Hurley by a mile.[/quote]

Silly to say Hurley would not be better hire IMO. You can appreciate CMA right now but also admit that. Most college hoops fans would laugh at that. Hurley has been a great recruiter at ASU and they have owned us. They will very likely be ranked this year they're a legit top 25 team. This is the thing about our fanbase...many get carried away after any sign of a solid but not great season and imply they already proved they will return us to greatness. Let's see CMA get us to the tourney before crowning him after 1 NIT year. If he's a legit coach, he should get us further than last year and we have a bubble type season with better conference performance. Much more talent this year and much deeper.[/quote]
Just interested in knowing. Hurley has never sniffed a PAC 12 championship (regular season or conference tournament). Yet, as you proclaim, he has been a “great recruiter “. So, what has gone wrong there? Couldn’t be the coaching, right?
 
Hurley is primed for a breakout year with ASU and he's already vastly improved their program. They just had a 1st round pick in the NBA. Ranked 7th nationally recruiting for 2020 including a 5*. They just went 20-11 (11-7), 22-10 the year before (NCAA year), 20-11 year before that. (NCAA year) so 3 straight years of 20+ wins and 2 tournaments, would be 3 most likely if last year's tourney happened. They finished 3rd each of the last 3 yrs. We haven't finished better than like 7th or 8th in a long time. And this is not beating a dead horse...someone argued that CMA is better than Hurley when there's no evidence of that if we're talking CMA at SJ so far vs. Hurley at ASU so far. Just being fair.
 
Nice article by Zach. I loved the addition of Toro at the time and believe he'll really help us with the kind of inside scoring we've lacked, plus tough rebounding. I continue to believe we will be a fun team to watch and can finish mid pack in League and compete for the dance.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398626]Hurley is primed for a breakout year with ASU and he's already vastly improved their program. They just had a 1st round pick in the NBA. Ranked 7th nationally recruiting for 2020 including a 5*. They just went 20-11 (11-7), 22-10 the year before (NCAA year), 20-11 year before that. (NCAA year) so 3 straight years of 20+ wins and 2 tournaments, would be 3 most likely if last year's tourney happened. They finished 3rd each of the last 3 yrs. We haven't finished better than like 7th or 8th in a long time. And this is not beating a dead horse...someone argued that CMA is better than Hurley when there's no evidence of that if we're talking CMA at SJ so far vs. Hurley at ASU so far. Just being fair.[/quote]

Does Hurley finally win a tourney game in his sixth year at ASU? How long until CMA wins his first tourney game here? I'll bet it won't take 6 years.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398626]Hurley is primed for a breakout year with ASU and he's already vastly improved their program. They just had a 1st round pick in the NBA. Ranked 7th nationally recruiting for 2020 including a 5*. They just went 20-11 (11-7), 22-10 the year before (NCAA year), 20-11 year before that. (NCAA year) so 3 straight years of 20+ wins and 2 tournaments, would be 3 most likely if last year's tourney happened. They finished 3rd each of the last 3 yrs. We haven't finished better than like 7th or 8th in a long time. And this is not beating a dead horse...someone argued that CMA is better than Hurley when there's no evidence of that if we're talking CMA at SJ so far vs. Hurley at ASU so far. Just being fair.[/quote]

Sorry, but you rehash the same points in every thread that it comes off as you are beating a dead horse. It becomes exhausting to read at times. Your good points often get lost in the long-winded posts.

I am just as impatient as you and the next guy with this program, but understand that we need to give the best and most qualified coaching hiring we have made since that program changing day when Louie retired on 4/13/92 a few years to implement his vision from top to bottom. CMA is the perfect coach to build a program with overachieving 3 and 2 star players and get us to a winning percentage standpoint where we can legitimately take a more than realistic shot at some higher ranked players.

It is a playbook used by most of the successful coaches taking over a second or third tier program which we had become with 20-plus years of bad hiring's. In fact, it took even a HOF coach like Jim Calhoun a few years to get Chris Smith to make that program changing commitment.

Hoping and expecting CMA will restore the toughness this program was built on and it starts with the Champanie and Posh types
 
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We agree on more than you'd think...I like having CMA as a coach and am happy with how year 1 went. If he can take another step this year and make us a middle of the pack team with a bubble type year, that will be significant. Then maybe by year 3 making a tourney. I just simply disagree that at this point in time he's better than Hurley. I loved Reyes, but I would disagree if someone said he was better than Jeter. You can appreciate a coach while also drawing a line somewhere with being better/worse than certain coaches IMO. Skill certainly seems to be a big positive change with developing our players under CMA. Hope it continues and we have a good year.
 
I think Bobby Hurley is a fine coach who I assume will maintain a certain level of success, However I would point out that the time he's been at Arizona State has been one of the weakest (if not the weakest) stretch of basketball in Pac12 history. Pac12 has put 9 teams in the last 3 NCAA tournaments. In those same three years, the Big East has put 17 teams in the tournament despite having 2 less members in the conference. So while I agree Hurley has been somewhat successful and recruited well there, that success would not have translated directly to the same level in the Big East.

I would have been happy if we'd hired Bobby Hurley but I'm thrilled we hired Anderson. This season is actually a great season to evaluate Hurley (if we insist on doing that I guess) Pac12 looks like it should be really good and Hurley has a couple of big pieces back with a great recruiting class. This would be the year he should really make some noise in March.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=398623][quote="Beast of the East" post=398612][quote="Mike Zaun" post=398601]I CMA was our best bet after the first wave of candidates turned us down. nference. So I don't think it's crazy to have some reservations..[/quote]

CMA was the best choice INCLUDING the first wave of candidates. Cluess would have been a fine choice at half the pricetag, but Anderson over Moser and Hurley by a mile.[/quote]

Silly to say Hurley would not be better hire IMO. You can appreciate CMA right now but also admit that. Most college hoops fans would laugh at that. Hurley has been a great recruiter at ASU and they have owned us. They will very likely be ranked this year they're a legit top 25 team. This is the thing about our fanbase...many get carried away after any sign of a solid but not great season and imply they already proved they will return us to greatness. Let's see CMA get us to the tourney before crowning him after 1 NIT year. If he's a legit coach, he should get us further than last year and we have a bubble type season with better conference performance. Much more talent this year and much deeper.[/quote]

73-58 overall at ASU in a weak conference. I was in Dayton, and his team played so badly if Heron and Clark didn't shoot a combined 1-22 or something close to that, they would have gotten beaten.

In terms of Repole, only a guy who wasn't paying the coach's salary would suggest we should triple Hurley's salary in order to get him. If he was so highly regarded and so much in demand, he would not have accepted a new 6 year deal starting at $2 million. Repole suggested we pay Hurley up to $4 million - ridiculous.

I am guessing Anderson is making something in line with what he made in Arkansas, around $2.5 million. That is modestly above the $2.1 mm or $2.2 we were paying Mullin.
 
[quote="billthetruth" post=398629][quote="Mike Zaun" post=398626]Hurley is primed for a breakout year with ASU and he's already vastly improved their program. They just had a 1st round pick in the NBA. Ranked 7th nationally recruiting for 2020 including a 5*. They just went 20-11 (11-7), 22-10 the year before (NCAA year), 20-11 year before that. (NCAA year) so 3 straight years of 20+ wins and 2 tournaments, would be 3 most likely if last year's tourney happened. They finished 3rd each of the last 3 yrs. We haven't finished better than like 7th or 8th in a long time. And this is not beating a dead horse...someone argued that CMA is better than Hurley when there's no evidence of that if we're talking CMA at SJ so far vs. Hurley at ASU so far. Just being fair.[/quote]

Sorry, but you rehash the same points in every thread that it comes off as you are beating a dead horse. It becomes exhausting to read at times. Your good points often get lost in the long-winded posts.

I am just as impatient as you and the next guy with this program, but understand that we need to give the best and most qualified coaching hiring we have made since that program changing day when Louie retired on 4/13/92 a few years to implement his vision from top to bottom. CMA is the perfect coach to build a program with overachieving 3 and 2 star players and get us to a winning percentage standpoint where we can legitimately take a more than realistic shot at some higher ranked players.

It is a playbook used by most of the successful coaches taking over a second or third tier program which we had become with 20-plus years of bad hiring's. In fact, it took even a HOF coach like Jim Calhoun a few years to get Chris Smith to make that program changing commitment.

Hoping and expecting CMA will restore the toughness this program was built on and it starts with the Champanie and Posh types[/quote]

You begin rebuilding a program with overachieving 2* and 3* players. You win championships with 4* and 5* players. Hope we can get there.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=398619][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=398618][quote="Paultzman" post=398617]Mike Anderson’s second St. John’s team feels very different
By Zach Braziller

https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/mike-andersons-second-st-johns-team-feels-very-different/[/quote]

Is that the Champagnie bros in your profile pic? Might we have a shot at Justin?[/quote]

Yes it is and doubt that[/quote]

Just as an FYI, my cousin's kid was recently offered a baseball scholarship at Pitt, Fordham, and Northeastern, and generated a lot of interest from VIllanova, Columbia, BC, and a bunch of other schools. He says the athletic facilities at Pitt blew away every other school he was invited to visit by miles. It's very tough to leave a first class operation like that. ,
 
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